Windows 8.1 your opinion

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JEDIYoda

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If Microsoft put a pile of dog [bits] in a box and called it Windows 9, would you buy it and tell everyone to adapt too? (serious question)
Another asinine question...sad....
 
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CRCSUX

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I would disagree, I dont use touch at all and I love Win 8.1 without start menu replacement.

If anything I get annoyed by working on someones win 7 comp as it lacks things in Win 8 that makes fixing computers faster.
 

Remobz

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Been using 8/8.1 for nearly 2 years and have seen it evolve into a superb operating system from the first incarnation in beta/test versions. I'm "lovin it". I'm impressed with the speedy boot and shutdown. About the only hiccups that I get is an occasionally quirky back button in IE 11. Got it on both my desktop and notebook. I have liquidated my remaining licenses for Win 7 to those that prefer 7; I'm not wanting to look back. 7 was wonderful for me, but 8 is just a tad bit better.

Funny because a couple seconds faster boot time is the LEAST important thing to me when comparing the 2 OS.
 
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Why don't you simply pin your most used applications to either the desktop or the task bar? This is how it has been since Vista and still works fine under Windows 8.x.

If you want your programs in groups of icons, make a folder on your desktop and move shortcuts into it. Open the folder, launch your programs like you did in 1994 with Windows 3.1 and be happy (I do the same thing with my "secondary" apps). You don't need to be constrained to one method of finding and using your programs.

I don't use any start menu replacement programs and I honestly go DAYS without seeing the "Metro" parts of Windows 8. Win +x brings up anything system related I might need. I still have Steam one click away in the task bar like always. I have Chrome, Office, Exlorer and my other most used apps pinned to the task bar. Everything is pretty much as it was with Windows 7. I don't see the big deal here.

The windows 3.1 program manager and file manager work fine on Windows 95 and I would bet it would even work on 32-bit Windows 7. If you installed 95 as an upgrade, the binary would still be there in the \Windows directory.

Since the start menu was such an obvious improvement, I don't know anyone who continued to use the program manager more than a week or so after installing 95.

Such is obviously not the case for Windows 8.

yea i think he was kidding about the people who don´t want to adapt to new stuff by using a 20 years outdated example
i think he´s pro win 8.1
or at least con flaming against it
 
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ControlD

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yea i think he was kidding about the people who don´t want to adapt to new stuff by using a 20 years outdated example
i think he´s pro win 8.1
or at least con flaming against it

Yeah I saw that when I sobered up but by then it was too late!
 

Griffinhart

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I would disagree, I dont use touch at all and I love Win 8.1 without start menu replacement.

If anything I get annoyed by working on someones win 7 comp as it lacks things in Win 8 that makes fixing computers faster.

There were plenty of people that loved "new coke" too.
 

Kaido

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I would disagree, I dont use touch at all and I love Win 8.1 without start menu replacement.

If anything I get annoyed by working on someones win 7 comp as it lacks things in Win 8 that makes fixing computers faster.

Care to expand? I'm just barely getting on Win8.
 

glugglug

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Win + X or right click start menu, access to control panel and device manager and disk management and CMD/powershell (admin).

I have this as a submenu from my Win7's right click for explorer windows (including the desktop) from a small .REG script.
 

bbhaag

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yea i think he was kidding about the people who don´t want to adapt to new stuff by using a 20 years outdated example
i think he´s pro win 8.1
or at least con flaming against it

I copy and pasted that post from a user that posted it on Usenet in 1996 and it echoed the sentiment of a lot of Windows users at the time.
The argument is eerily similar against Win8/8.1 but now users are rallying against the LACK of the Start Button instead of the introduction of it...ha.

Edit:But cookies to you for actually getting my very abstract example.
 
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glugglug

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I copy and pasted that post from a user that posted it on Usenet in 1996 and it echoed the sentiment of a lot of Windows users at the time.
The argument is eerily similar against Win8/8.1 but now users are rallying against the LACK of the Start Button instead of the introduction of it...ha.

Edit:But cookies to you for actually getting my very abstract example.

LOL. I wasn't sure if this was really posted to usenet back then or if it was a more modern made up sarcastic "quote", so I did some digging and in the initial thread it tells you how to change the Win9X system.ini file to make Program Manager run by default instead of Windows Explorer. And it's more like 2 years into it, probably around the Win98 beta! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.win95.shellui/MEBAy63Qlbc

It was by no means a common sentiment though. I was doing ISP phone tech support from '94 until late '97 and in that time I think there were maybe 3 callers who complained about 95 vs. 3.1. And none of them were complaining about the UI, it was about it being slower because their machines had inadequate RAM and/or no compatible video drivers. I searched that Win95 usenet group for "Program Manager" in the 1995-97 threads, and most of the results were people complaining that they somehow accidentally got their program manager back and wanted to get rid of it and get back to Windows Explorer. I'm actually not so sure the original post wasn't a joke, especially with the alt-tab bit when I think more people knew about ctrl-esc back then then do now.

I figured out how to probably still do this if you are using a 32-bit OS that supports 16-bit binaries - set the HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\shell registry key to point to the Win 3.1 PROGMAN.EXE binary. This could also be used more practically for things like a locked down machine that boots to Chrome or straight into WMC for example (since MS took out the option to go straight to WMC in 8). Or it might be a way to run the Windows 7 version of Windows Explorer under Windows 8. I suspect it can probably be overridden on a per-user level using HKEY_USERS\...\Software\etc... instead of HKLM.

Also, for some reason the system.ini file is still there in a 64-bit Windows 7 install with a comment in the first line saying it is for "for 16-bit app support" which 64-bit OSes don't have.


I'll be waiting for screenshots from whoever sets up their Win8 to use Program Manager for more flexibility than Metro. Since it wasn't a given back then that every PC would have a pointing device, it is completely keyboard navigable, which means it is probably more remote friendly.


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ROFL I didn't realize the Program Manager in Windows NT 3.51 was a full 32-bit app, so it can run in a 64-bit OS -- requires a mix of DLLs from different OSes, but pretty neat: http://chorusofone.no-ip.org/Computerstuff/win7progman.html Also, the file manager from NT 3.51 is of course more NTFS friendly than the Windows 3.1 version.
 
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PinchedNerve

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Anecdotal evidence has several definitions, which usually relate to how certain types of evidence cannot be used to logically conclude something. We see examples of this type of evidence all the time in commercials. A person tells us how their breath feels fresher after using a certain brand of toothpaste, or people testify to the clearing of their acne as a result of special products. Anecdotal evidence is often used in place of clinical or scientific evidence, and may completely ignore research or harder evidence that points to an opposite conclusion.

Interesting, this sounds like an awfully "intelligent" reply considering your first post and start of this very thread which is

Just 2 weeks running with it.and so far.Crap and Crap.Back to 7 and life is better.i think it will be drop in no time.

I thought to myself, surely the guy who started the thread (Windows 8.1 your opinion) with such an inability to describe what exactly he dislikes about Windows 8.1 in any sort of meaningful let alone factual "opinion" couldn't have put together an intelligent analogy of Anecdotal evidence, and I was right. Nice plagiarism.

From Wise Geek, first paragraph of "What is Anecdotal Evidence".
Anecdotal evidence has several definitions, which usually relate to how certain types of evidence cannot be used to logically conclude something. We see examples of this type of evidence all the time in commercials. A person tells us how their breath feels fresher after using a certain brand of toothpaste, or people testify to the clearing of their acne as a result of special products. Anecdotal evidence is often used in place of clinical or scientific evidence, and may completely ignore research or harder evidence that points to an opposite conclusion.
 

ultimatebob

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I still hate the new Start screen, but Windows 8.1 isn't half bad. I'd use it if came preinstalled on a new computer unless I wanted to turn it into a server or something.
 
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I copy and pasted that post from a user that posted it on Usenet in 1996 and it echoed the sentiment of a lot of Windows users at the time.
that´s what i thought, or that it was made up to reflect an argument from ´95, some things keep repeating themselves, new windows is a classic "heat" discussion, every generation gpu/cpu wars all over again, too
 
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ControlD

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I thought to myself, surely the guy who started the thread (Windows 8.1 your opinion) with such an inability to describe what exactly he dislikes about Windows 8.1 in any sort of meaningful let alone factual "opinion" couldn't have put together an intelligent analogy of Anecdotal evidence, and I was right.

lmao. Nice.
 

Berryracer

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Been using 8/8.1 for nearly 2 years and have seen it evolve into a superb operating system from the first incarnation in beta/test versions. I'm "lovin it". I'm impressed with the speedy boot and shutdown. About the only hiccups that I get is an occasionally quirky back button in IE 11. Got it on both my desktop and notebook. I have liquidated my remaining licenses for Win 7 to those that prefer 7; I'm not wanting to look back. 7 was wonderful for me, but 8 is just a tad bit better.
 

denis280

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I thought to myself, surely the guy who started the thread (Windows 8.1 your opinion) with such an inability to describe what exactly he dislikes about Windows 8.1 in any sort of meaningful let alone factual "opinion" couldn't have put together an intelligent analogy of Anecdotal evidence, and I was right. Nice plagiarism.
So what! do i really give a F
 

JBT

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My main system has 8.1 pro running 8 for the past year or so. Laptop is still on 7 thinking about getting an 8 license for it.
 

Mem

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So what! do i really give a F


I think what he is trying to say is what's different about your thread from the other anti-8 threads that have appeared,at least try and back it up with some facts.

Anyway as I keep saying I think 8.1 is fine especially since it has improved security and new features plus anybody at any level can use it,I also think Linux is fine but hey that's my humble opinion.


I would also suggest you try and be a bit more polite to other members around here or the MODs will come down on you like a ton of bricks.

 
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denis280

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I would also suggest you try and be a bit more polite to other members around here or the MODs will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Your right. i apologize. but the fact is.i respect all opinion.if a op like win 8 im very glad for him.yes i did try it and don't like it.that all.thats why i want opinion about it
 

Raincity

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I like the improvements with 8.1 but this sleep issue I have been dealing with may bring me back to 8.0
 
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