Ok, I installed Win8 Comsumer Preview on my home laptop. I have been trying to give it a chance, I really have, but so far I just absolutely hate it on my laptop. I think it would be really cool on a tablet no doubt. Anything with a touch screen would work. But on a laptop with a touchpad it is absolutely crap. To do anything productive I am in the desktop anyway and when I use the metro apps I just find them to be a pain. The hotspots or whatever they are called don't work well and are difficult to use with a trackpad. Don't think I'll keep this much longer before reinstalling 7.
Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote.Apparently Apple didn't get that memo.
Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote.
Or are you telling me Apple has magic that allows them to spend their entire R&D budget on one device, then re-spend it on another device?
An example: One of my favorite apps in all the world is reeder (a google reader client). I have it for iPhone, iPad and lion. Even though they share some design language and serve the same purpose, each is custom designed for its platform, and the end result is far superior than if they had tried to force a single design to all shape and sizes of device. That's the level of thoughtfulness I'm coming to expect, and Win 8 is a step in the other direction. Theoretically one UI saves resources, but that's a form of corner cutting, and I'm not getting behind that.
Ok, I installed Win8 Comsumer Preview on my home laptop. I have been trying to give it a chance, I really have, but so far I just absolutely hate it on my laptop. I think it would be really cool on a tablet no doubt. Anything with a touch screen would work. But on a laptop with a touchpad it is absolutely crap. To do anything productive I am in the desktop anyway and when I use the metro apps I just find them to be a pain. The hotspots or whatever they are called don't work well and are difficult to use with a trackpad. Don't think I'll keep this much longer before reinstalling 7.
As a minor aside, if that's the future I weep for humanity. The lack of a keyboard is the death of writing, at which point the computer will simply be the next idiot box.Also, some cold, hard facts. Of the 7 billion people on the planet, only 1.2 billion of them have a computer. That's 17%. The next billion computer users will not have a keyboard and mouse.
I'm really not sure Mac OS X is a good argument here. 10.0 had major teething issues, but other than labels (which as it turns out no one uses anyhow), there were no major UI issues. It was immediately clear that Mac OS X was a better UI, which is why it has changed so very, very little in a decade.Not continually. The UI of OS X 10.0 was worse, not better, than the UI of the last OS 9 version. There is wide agreement of that; it was laggy and a great many features were missing that people were accustomed to. Just like Metro, it was accused of prioritizing "eye candy" over functionality. If there was someone at Apple who, like you, insisted the new version must always be "better" with no exceptions, the 10.0 UI could not have been released.
As a minor aside, if that's the future I weep for humanity. The lack of a keyboard is the death of writing, at which point the computer will simply be the next idiot box.
For Microsoft it would be cheaper and easier to design a bunch of distinct platforms instead of trying to make one adapt reasonably to a range of hardware, but their own costs isn't what they are thinking about. It's the app developers'. That is the perspective from where my comment came from. If you are making an app, want to distribute it on X platforms and you have Y budget, you do not have Y to spend on each platform. The more of your effort you can have going towards all of those platforms simultaneously, the better your results are likely to be.Apparently they're willing to dedicate the resources to develop two OSes with separate UIs at once. This isn't magic, it's factual.
Any results on the FX chip in windows 8 consumer preview yet?
And that is EXACTLY the reason I want windows 8 everywhere.... sure you have a few apps like that but a vast majority of apps will never get that same treatment on ios. With windows 8 every app will get that same level of functionality on every device because its one app.
To me that one point supersedes ANY flaws in the UI and this will be more apparent in the years/decades to come as more apps get rewritten in WinRT (and equally as important is the 3 state thing in WinRT).
That is insane. Why would you want one program designed for smartphones, tablets and desktops? When that happens you get a shitty tablet app, a shitty smartphone app and a shitty desktop app. MetroUI is completely designed for touch, which makes it annoying to use with a mouse. The same will be true of any program that tries to use a single design for smartphones, tablets and desktops. With MetroUI right now, you get programs with disgusting HUGE buttons (IE) because they were obviously meant to have a meaty finger touch them instead of a small mouse pointer.
Command line interfaces. See: Windows Server 8.Similar comments were made about the GUI vs command line interfaces. Guess who won.
Similar comments were made about the GUI vs command line interfaces. Guess who won.
I thought he was talking the evolution of the UI.
People complained of loss of control and not being able to do what they wanted to going from:
DOS to Windows 3.x
3.x to 95
and a time or two in the evolution to Windows 7.
It's a fact.
I can remember people pitching major fits that software written for the 386 wouldn't work on 286's and lower.
People should at least recognize this is a beta and that the final verison could very well look and function much differently.
The stuff people are complaining about are the things you should be sending in via the feedback tool.
Apple can make a new ui and it is intuitive to even a two year old. Microsoft makes a new ui and even seasoned pros have to spend an hour to understand where everything is.
Apple can make a new ui and it is intuitive to even a two year old. Microsoft makes a new ui and even seasoned pros have to spend an hour to understand where everything is. Microsoft's strength is familiarity and this metro ui is definitely not it. Its perfect for tablets and phones. Also the synergy among different devices is something to be excited about. If they give me an option to disable metro and stick to the traditional desktop I will give it a try.
Command line to GUI was a dramatic increase in functionality. People might have not been able to do things the old way but there was so much new power and flexibility hardly anyone looked back.
Desktop to metro is a dramatic decrease in functionality.
It's a terrible comparison to use to make your point.