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BD2003

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I'm just trying to imagine my wife's reaction when she turns on her computer at work and she's greeted by the start screen, and has no idea wtf is going on.
 

VirtualLarry

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Going to a corner and having to click equals hidden button (since when were these a good idea in UI?). Not a hot corner.

Hot corners like the ones I use constantly on Mac are fast and efficient precisely because you just throw the cursor into the corner and back in one gesture, no targeting at all, no pausing, no clicking.

Having a real hot corner to trigger the Start screen sounds fantastic but I better be able to disable the need for click.

How the heck do you quit Metro apps? It seems that once you start them, they stay running (paused) in the background.
 

KeypoX

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I dont like metro. The apps are nice looking but fullscreen is hard to manage. It looks great but hard to work with. Hard to switch apps and find apps, little sidebar is for switching isn't that great.

No start menu sucks. Switches to that start screen even in the desktop mode. Looks like a copy of the horribleness that is gnome 3 and unity. Edit: Seems worse somehow despite being so similar. (I only use start as a launcher but having a huge change in UI just to do that is distracting)

I haven't messed with the new disk management stuff. Task manager is nice. Desktop and phone UI (including large phone/tablet) should be separate if this is how its gonna be implemented.

Maybe it will get better, if I can use the same UI as 7 with other improvements that would be good. Maybe I can grow to like Metro... it looks really nice but form over function is more important for me
 
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wpcoe

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I'm keeping an open mind, and am starting to understand how to use both the Metro (Start) and Desktop screens to their respective advantages.

However, one thing that bugs me: How do you display the time on the Metro screen? I don't see any clock gadget and a quick Google (I'm pretty inept at searches...) doesn't give any relevant links. I'm used to using my Windows screen as a clock, but I don't see a way to put it on the Metro screen?

Oh, another thing. I'd like the Weather "icon" to display my local weather. It doesn't. How is that enabled?

Should be simple things, but they are sure eluding me!
 

n0x1ous

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They were thinking: Lets design a OS that works on everything and is particularly suited to nothing. We'll saddle desktop users with touch paradigms that make absolutely no sense in that environment. That way we can bring back the traditional aggravation with windows that we did so much to alleviate with windows 7. Then let's drag 20 years of desktop baggage onto tablets, because that's been working so well in all our past tablet attempts.

They introduce an app store into a desktop OS, where touch is practically nonexistent, where you can only buy touch applications. Seriously????

I've got nothing against microsoft as a company. I actually liked Vista quite a bit. (I even wrote the tweak guide that was stickied here for years). Everyone loved Windows 7 because it was a great desktop OS that brought with it some brilliant ideas FOR THE DESKTOP, like the taskbar and superior window management. Instead of spending the last 3 years thinking about how they can make windows a better desktop OS, they literally spent their time on how to make it a worse one. Apple has been slowly porting over some features from their touch OS, but only if it makes sense, and tailors it for a desktop. For instance: Their desktop app store sells desktop apps. That's not a work of genius, thats common sense!

Spot on. Could not have said it any better myself. This is a freaking trainwreck. Please God, let them include a killswitch for metro in the final version or in Professional/Ultimate Versions.
 

lxskllr

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Has anyone looked at the GPO of the local machine? Maybe we can disable the metro layer and just have the desktop. That would be a start.

There's no way a metro is going to work in a corporate setting so there must be a way to disable it.

Are you talking about the start screen? I don't see why that wouldn't work in any environment. It's the same as it's always been, but different. If you're talking about Metro style apps, I'd agree. They aren't appropriate for the desktop. It doesn't matter if it's home, or corporate, they don't belong.
 

bdunosk

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The Metro GUI is terrible for multi-tasking on a desktop / laptop.

Let's say I'm putting together a ppt presentation. I'm using the desktop and have ppt loaded, a couple of tabbed browser pages and Paint. Now I need to launch Word -- I have to go back to the Metro menu to click on the tile - which launches the full-screen iteration of the program rather than windowed on my desktop.

Full-screen IE browsing? Yeah it looks great, but how in the heck do I swap between tabs?

If Microsoft is smart, they're going to renege and let you choose between the standard Windows GUI and the Metro GUI. I have no doubt that Metro will be great for pads as it is on their phones, but I don't use my desktop / laptop as simple appliances.
 

BD2003

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At this point we can only hope the backlash is so loud and vocal that they rethink their fundamental approach to this. This whole dual UI model is just crazy. It's mixing oil and water.

Then again, this is the same company that ripped drive extender out of home server...so releasing a poorly thought out product is kind of their new way of doing things.

Thank god theyre not the monopoly they used to be. I fully expect Mac market share to increase dramatically if they don't slam the brakes on this.
 

lxskllr

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At this point we can only hope the backlash is so loud and vocal that they rethink their fundamental approach to this. This whole dual UI model is just crazy. It's mixing oil and water.

I don't see why they couldn't do a proper dual ui. A simple toggle for "Classic" and "Metro". It should be easy for developers to utilize both if MS makes decent APIs for it. "Classic" works the way things always have, and "Metro" would use the hidden menus, and overlays that make sense on a tablet. Mashing both styles together doesn't make sense.
 

BD2003

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I don't see why they couldn't do a proper dual ui. A simple toggle for "Classic" and "Metro". It should be easy for developers to utilize both if MS makes decent APIs for it. "Classic" works the way things always have, and "Metro" would use the hidden menus, and overlays that make sense on a tablet. Mashing both styles together doesn't make sense.

The real question that begs answering is...why? Why have a dual UI in the first place?
 

lxskllr

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The real question that begs answering is...why? Why have a dual UI in the first place?

Some people might like the tablet design, or it could be used on larger touchscreens. It also simplifies the product line. Instead of having two drastically different products, they release one that can work on a wide range of hardware. There isn't much point in duplicating functionality for a trivial graphical difference.
 

EndGame

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Probably in the minority the way it sounds but, I like it! One of my phones is a Windows phone so and it looks and works similar. Also, it just found my Windows phone and automaticaly synched. Not much different beyond Metro but all in all, I'm already used to it. Going to use it as my primary OS and see how it holds up long term. Did a clean install of 64 bit along side Win 7 and Ubuntu each on seperate drives.
 

KeypoX

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"Jumping back-and-forth between Metro and desktop is hugely disorienting and, at least in the early days of Windows 8, you'll be doing a lot of that. The simple task of switching between apps using the mouse has become painful." Engadget
 

arod

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The real question that begs answering is...why? Why have a dual UI in the first place?

They released it in a dual mode now because they intend metro to be the only interface going forward but could not just cut off the old legacy stuff..... yet.

This really comes in with the new app store.... all apps going forward will be there and those apps work consistently across the desktop, tablet (and eventually phone and tv). Even now you have a separate store for ios and osx or android and chrome. Windows 8 is the beginning stages of creating an interface that will work across all the devices.
 

Pia

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The Metro GUI is terrible for multi-tasking on a desktop / laptop.

Let's say I'm putting together a ppt presentation. I'm using the desktop and have ppt loaded, a couple of tabbed browser pages and Paint. Now I need to launch Word -- I have to go back to the Metro menu to click on the tile - which launches the full-screen iteration of the program rather than windowed on my desktop.
Not sure what the problem is here. If the other apps are non-Metro, why don't you launch a non-Metro Word? It also seems likely that all those apps will be Metro after a transition period.
Full-screen IE browsing? Yeah it looks great, but how in the heck do I swap between tabs?
This has what to do with OS? Different browsers and their various plugins already offer many different ways to switch tabs. I use my web browser mostly from keyboard, for instance.
 

BD2003

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They released it in a dual mode now because they intend metro to be the only interface going forward but could not just cut off the old legacy stuff..... yet.

This really comes in with the new app store.... all apps going forward will be there and those apps work consistently across the desktop, tablet (and eventually phone and tv). Even now you have a separate store for ios and osx or android and chrome. Windows 8 is the beginning stages of creating an interface that will work across all the devices.

Then that begs the question of why do we need or even want one consistent interface for all our devices? Wouldn't it be better to have the UI designed specifically for the device (as we have now, which works phenomenally well), rather than kludge a one size fits all interface with one size fits all apps that don't work particularly well anywhere?

It's not like the future Microsoft desires is an inevitability that we need to adapt to, which answers the question of why. That's circular reasoning that I completely reject.
 
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bdunosk

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Not sure what the problem is here. If the other apps are non-Metro, why don't you launch a non-Metro Word? It also seems likely that all those apps will be Metro after a transition period.

I think one of the great strengths of Windows has been the ability to multitask efficiently, which the standard desktop with its taskbar and Start button do very well. So...

This has what to do with OS? Different browsers and their various plugins already offer many different ways to switch tabs. I use my web browser mostly from keyboard, for instance.

My perception is that this is what Metro's theme is: full-screen "apps," your current focus is all you see. Anything else is hidden and requires, in my opinion, too much work to display. Which means the Metro GUI is a step backward for what I need to do with my desktop / laptop.
 
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Skurge

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So anyone figured out how to disable metro? Also there are o drivers for my G35s so I'm not going to be using this much.
 

Tormac

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It is going to take a long time for me to get used to Metro in a desktop environment. To me it feels like it is ahead of its time (and not in a positive way), or else I am just not the market that this is meant for. I like some of the innovations that I am reading about that are under the hood of Windows 8, but the Metro is just not a desktop UI. I can see it working very well on a touch screen tablet, but on one of my desktops, uggh I see not benefit to the UI. I just don’t get it. Metro seems very ugly and clunky, and is counter intuitive for me.
I guess Microsoft is banking on this meme that “the age of the PC is over “is true, but I think that they are making a mistake if they try to push this as their desktop interface of the future. Maybe I just need to keep working at Metro, but this is counter intuitive in a way that I don’t remember the jump from DOS to windows 3.11 ever being.
 

gmaster456

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I can't even imagine the headaches normal people will have trying to figure out things that have largely been the same for what 10-15 years? Even mundane tasks like shutting down your PC are literally impossible to find unless you know what your looking for. You have to navigate over the the lower right hand corner of the screen, hover your mouse and wait for the charms menu to come up, click on power and then hit shutdown. This is going to be hard for people who just want to use their computer and get their work done, but aren't necessarily tech savvy.
 

lxskllr

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I can't even imagine the headaches normal people will have trying to figure out things that have largely been the same for what 10-15 years? Even mundane tasks like shutting down your PC are literally impossible to find unless you know what your looking for. You have to navigate over the the lower right hand corner of the screen, hover your mouse and wait for the charms menu to come up, click on power and then hit shutdown. This is going to be hard for people who just want to use their computer and get their work done, but aren't necessarily tech savvy.

It's a good opportunity to write a "How to use a computer book" like they had in the 90s :^D
 

Chiropteran

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I don't see why they couldn't do a proper dual ui. A simple toggle for "Classic" and "Metro". It should be easy for developers to utilize both if MS makes decent APIs for it. "Classic" works the way things always have, and "Metro" would use the hidden menus, and overlays that make sense on a tablet. Mashing both styles together doesn't make sense.

It's the Microsoft way. They could add a simple toggle now... or they could wait and release Windows 9 "Now with toggle for Metro!" for only $299 in 6 months.

I used Vista and I actually liked it, despite all the bad press it got. But this... I just don't know.

I think this might be the first windows version I skip.
 
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