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BladeVenom

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You are missing my point, I was was talking as a gamer,it would be nice to have gotten something new,as to marketing it has nothing to do with it,I always try out new OS when they are released even on Linux Distro's.

You get Xbox games on Windows 8, sure they are old casual games that even made it to the iPad before they made it to Windows. So enjoy the leftover Xbox crumbs MS throws you.
 

MagickMan

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I tried it, and I think Bill's just playing a bad practical joke on everyone. It can't actually be real, right?
 

HeXen

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You are missing my point, I was was talking as a gamer,it would be nice to have gotten something new,as to marketing it has nothing to do with it,I always try out new OS when they are released even on Linux Distro's.

but a new API without a game is not really having anything new, worse yet if you have to wait for a new graphics card to support it and 3 years later they have to make a dx13 for W9 too i suppose?. Sounds like a developers nightmare to me. What i think you really mean should be they could put some effort into giving us better performance from games period.
Instead, benchmarks from major engines on W8 indicate a very slight drop and in some cases equal to W7 performance. Indications point to that at least in lower resolutions, there may be some more CPU work going on in the background....and i'm noting that from 2 seperate articles of comparison benchmarks from techspot and techpowerup.

Actually i would be happy just to have some damn .rar file and some more codec support, a halfway decent pic editor and audio/vid conversion software so for once i don't have to install 20 different 3rd party applications immediately after install just to make my PC useful to me...or at least provide support from their store or something, click some checkboxes and go. but that's me, i find a default W7 install to be 95% worthless for getting productivity and entertainment done, most comes from 3rd parties. From pic resizers/editors, music converters/streamers..etc, MS could make those like nothing, instead they take away WMC and WMP. would be nice to have an OS be fun out of the box for a change.
 
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Skel

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You get Xbox games on Windows 8, sure they are old casual games that even made it to the iPad before they made it to Windows. So enjoy the leftover Xbox crumbs MS throws you.

Bullshit. I doubt all the developers are just going to drop windows as a platform, let alone have the entire platform fall into "old casual games that made it to the iPad before they made it to Windows".
 

BladeVenom

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Dominato3r

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WTF are you talking about? No one said a word about other publishers. I was commenting about what Microsoft is doing for gamers.

Read this. http://www.pcworld.com/article/261751/forty_games_headed_to_the_windows_8_xbox_app.html

4 Elements II Special Edition
A World of Keflings
Adera: Episode 1
Adera: Episode 2
Adera: Episode 3
Angry Birds
Angry Birds Space

Big Buck Hunter Pro
BlazBlue Calamity Trigger
Collateral Damage
Crash Course GO
Cut the Rope
Disney Fairies
Dragon's Lair
Field & Stream Fishing
Fruit Ninja
Gravity Guy
Gunstringer: Dead Man Running
Hydro Thunder Hurricane
IloMilo
iStunt 2
Jetpack Joyride
Kinectimals Unleashed
Microsoft Mahjong
Microsoft Minesweeper
Microsoft Solitaire Collection
Monster Island
PAC-MAN Championship Edition DX
Pinball FX 2
Reckless Racing Ultimate
Rocket Riot 3D
Shark Dash
Shuffle Party
Skulls of the Shogun
Taptiles
Team Crossword
The Harvest HD
Toy Soldiers Cold War
Wordament
Zombies!!!

Bolded are the ones that are on other platforms, or I think they are. Other than that these are titles I've never heard of or are new to me.
 

BladeVenom

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Bolded are the ones that are on other platforms, or I think they are. Other than that these are titles I've never heard of or are new to me.

You never heard of Dragon's Lair? Seriously? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dragons-lair-hd/id388418348?mt=8

Disney Fairies, also on iPad http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/disney-fairies-fly-on-ipad/id363786569

Field & Stream Fishing, http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/field-stream-fishing/id365103480?mt=8

I'm not going to check them all, but I'm guessing at least half of them are already on the iPad.
 

Pretty Cool

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I have no idea why that stupid survey's results keeps getting repeated all over the internet. They imply the conclusion is based on everybody who answered has used Windows 8. In fact according to their own numbers, only about a quarter them have even used Windows 8. Amazing that people just read the headlines and just blindly accept this.
 

Dominato3r

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You never heard of Dragon's Lair? Seriously? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dragons-lair-hd/id388418348?mt=8

Disney Fairies, also on iPad http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/disney-fairies-fly-on-ipad/id363786569

Field & Stream Fishing, http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/field-stream-fishing/id365103480?mt=8

I'm not going to check them all, but I'm guessing at least half of them are already on the iPad.

Yes, seriously. But whats the point of this? So what if the games came on iOS first? Mobile gaming isn't like console v PC, where the PC gets shafted for features etc. At the most the game is ad supported like Angry birds on Android.
 

Mem

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You get Xbox games on Windows 8, sure they are old casual games that even made it to the iPad before they made it to Windows. So enjoy the leftover Xbox crumbs MS throws you.

I would not even call that crumbs,anyway end of the day Win8 has nothing really new for gamers,Win8 could of been so much more for gamers if Microsoft actually thought about all the gamers out there.

I hope they will have something in the pipeline or down the road,guess only time will tell one way or the other.

Microsoft if you are reading this wake up and give all the gamers out there something in Win8,PC hardware/software has always led when it came to gaming industry.
 
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ViRGE

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Well Vista got DX10,Win7 had DX11(I know Vista got that too bit later)however would of been nice if Win8 got DX12 first at the very least.
The only component of DirectX that is even close to being out of date is Direct3D, and hardware manufacturers are not ready with next generation designs. D3D11 needs to take root before D3D12 can happen.
 

HeXen

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I would not even call that crumbs,anyway end of the day Win8 has nothing really new for gamers,Win8 could of been so much more for gamers if Microsoft actually thought about all the gamers out there.

I'm curious what you think, besides a new*irrelevant* DX, that Windows needs? We have Steam, an all access, auto updated service that now can be more like consoles on the big screen. Some high end hardware and good drivers and i fail to see what MS can do to make it better besides some tweaks to get a couple more FPS out of it, though drivers and efficient engine design does more than anything outside of having a light OS that could do little else.

The OS is really just a platform to run applications on. Most all its features are just small apps with little or no graphical front end, launching automatically to do specified tasks.
 

Mem

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I'm curious what you think, besides a new*irrelevant* DX, that Windows needs? We have Steam, an all access, auto updated service that now can be more like consoles on the big screen. Some high end hardware and good drivers and i fail to see what MS can do to make it better besides some tweaks to get a couple more FPS out of it, though drivers and efficient engine design does more than anything outside of having a light OS that could do little else.

The OS is really just a platform to run applications on. Most all its features are just small apps with little or no graphical front end, launching automatically to do specified tasks.

You will find this a good read(I hope) http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-is-not-good-for-gamers .

I'll say I don't agree with all his comments and it won't stop me buying Win8 in a few weeks time(its solid and stable as I keep saying),however as a PC gamer we get what's new exactly?...Microsoft store and what else?..Vista got DX10 and new robust sound coding based on software sound to stop all those bad crashes in XP etc ....that was caused by drivers via hardware sound cards ie in gaming for example ,Win7 will all know is based on Vista and got DX11 first also still a desktop based OS great for PC gamers,Win8??

I'm trying to see the bigger picture and see what else Microsoft could of done to make PC gaming a better gaming experience, you could ask what could Microsoft do to improve PC gaming or offer new gaming features on Win8?

There are many ways to look at Win8,ie desktop user,gamer,tablet user,office/ business user,however as a PC gamer and beta games tester you know what I'm looking at.
 
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HeXen

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The article seems to complain about the UI. I wouldn't really say that providing the W7 UI in W8 as giving us gamers something new or anything better than current. Sure Metro is clumsy and does not make gaming better, but PC gaming and the experience has more to do with 3rd party developers and hardware supporters than the OS. Click icon and it should play and play well minus the BS. Technically you will beable to launch Steam the exact same way by clicking it in either W7 or W8. So i still fail to see what exactly MS could really do to enhance the gaming landscape

Personally, thanks to Start8, i may very well get W8, Using it reminds me a tad more of Cinnomon desktop on Linux in how it makes the full screen metro into more of a menu so its not so split disordered like how Cinnomon does for Gnome shell/Unity. The issue is i have nothing to actually gain in terms of personal use for the price and i'm not interested in javascript apps for a desktop nor Ipad ported games....i suspect this to be true for most here.
If only Windows was more like Linux or if Linux had Windows marketshare, we wouldn't have this discussion.
 

thelastjuju

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I don't mean to sound like a hater or anything.. but its almost like windows 8 is more of a new GUI rather than a whole new OS.
 

hondaf17

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Windows8 is a platform for the real benefit. MS Marketplace will be the driving force behind its success. Windows 7 won't have it or any other Windows OS. The IPHONE, IPAD and every Android device succeeded only due to the developers on the marketplace. Think anyone gives a sh#t about the cool icons?

I personally love Win8 and I couldn't go back now. I run it on a 3 display setup so it suits me very well. In a single display setup I can TOTALY understand all the gripes. Whatever idiot at MS decided to allow the start button change should've been fired the day he mentioned it.

I'd be curious as to how you have it set up on your 3 display setup. I also have a 3 display set up and when I tried the W8 consumer preview I was frustrated. Couldn't get W8 to make efficient use of my 3 screens, and the apps in metro could only be on the main screen...
 

lopri

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I did change some of my positions on Windows 8. With the introduction of "Downgrade Rights", it seems clear to me that Microsoft doesn't view Windows 8 as a vertical upgrade to Windows 7 that will push any envelope on the desktop front (though there are many convincing improvements once you get over the UI issues). It's more of a vehicle to catch up to the rest of the world.

I could easily see Win 7 and Win 8 co-existing side by side for a while. "Downgrade Rights" helps avoiding an absurd situation where consumers have to pay more for older versions of the OS, and consumers can choose whichever they see fit for their needs. It sucks for the business or geeks who wanted a true successor to Win 7, but MS knows it doesn't have such an obligation.

It would have been truly awful had MS position Win 8 as they did it for Vista. But that is not the case. (Thank god for the competitions) If you can get over the UI and half-assed tablet integration, Win 8 is an improvement over Windows 7 for both performance and features. Admittedly the forced-integration attempts are a pain in the ass, and I fear for terribly confused average Joes, but for advanced users those are not too big of a hurdle to get around. And once again, if all else still doesn't make you happy you can go back to Win 7 for little to no cost.

One thing I feel bad for MS is the Metro/Modern UI looks already dated and cumbersome, if you take a peak at the rapidly advancing Android/iOS. (multitasking, for one) And the integration attempt with XBox is so painful that it seems evident that MS itself doesn't have any confidence on what to do about changing environments.

What does MS want you to do with Windows 8? Easy and seamless integration between your office and living room via XBox for multimedia experience? Is it Cloud computing that they provide via Live/Skydrive? Or do they simply want a pie of "AppStores" that Apple/Google/Amazon happily exploit?

It could be all of the above, of course, on top of the traditional Desktop PC roles. But the thing is, that is terribly confusing for average consumers. I tried to explain the changes to non-geeks, and the challenge begins with setting up an account for the App store. What's best? @Xbox.com account? Or @Live.com? @Outlook.com? Or whatever else you've been using already? How will it affect your wallets or security going forward? Some have a bad memory of "Microsoft Points" (Zune..) or "Games for Windows Live" accounts. And who knows? The next XBox may flop and its existing market place and contents may shrink/disappear for all I know.

You see, the biggest problem with Windows 8 is that it proves too little and MS itself confesses it as much, both in forms (pricing and versions) and in functions (Metro, xBox, Live, Skydrive,.. )
 

Rhonda the Sly

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I did change some of my positions on Windows 8. With the introduction of "Downgrade Rights", it seems clear to me that Microsoft doesn't view Windows 8 as a vertical upgrade to Windows 7 that will push any envelope on the desktop front (though there are many convincing improvements once you get over the UI issues). It's more of a vehicle to catch up to the rest of the world.
That position only holds if you don't consider that 7, Vista, and XP Professional Editions all had the same downgrade rights.
 

lopri

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That position only holds if you don't consider that 7, Vista, and XP Professional Editions all had the same downgrade rights.

I am taking the unprecedentedly low upgrade prices into consideration. $15~$40 is pretty much what Apple charges for an OSX service pa... ,woops, upgrade. Remember Vista's confusing version schemes and whooping $400 price tag for the "Ultimate" copy, for instance.
 
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