Windows is dead

mikeymikec

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It's dead!

It's not quite dead!

It's getting better!

It'll be stone dead soon!

It's not fooling anyone you know!
 

whm1974

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It might be that you are wrong, or Right!

Care to elaborate and convince us about the statement validity?


Yeah I doubt Windows will be going anywhere anytime soon. Way too many people are entrenched into that ecosystem.
 
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UsandThem

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I clearly remember people predicting that back in 1998 - 2000 time period, with the same thing popping every few years or so since then.

However, Windows is still here (and still by far the most dominant OS used by most PC users) right?
 

whm1974

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I clearly remember people predicting that back in 1998 - 2000 time period, with the same thing popping every few years or so since then.

However, Windows is still here (and still by far the most dominant OS used by most PC users) right?
I myself do recall that during the same frame, that the PC will be dead and we will all be using "Internet Appliances" instead. Remember those?
 

UsandThem

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we will all be using "Internet Appliances" instead. Remember those?

Oh yes I do.

I still think those are coming, but about 30-40 years later than they said they would. It seems more and more things are able to connect to the internet anymore. I don't think the current generation can stand not being able to be on the internet at all times, so I can see an internet connected toaster or coffee pot (maybe they just all buy Starbucks every day?) where they Tweet, update Facebook, and browse Tinder.

I remember seeing an expensive fridge around maybe 2001 where it had a flat panel TV in the door, so you could watch TV or surf the internet.
I thought who in the hell is going to sit there and browse the internet on a 10" screen on their refrigerator? "No little Timmy, you can't get milk out because I'm checking my email right now, and then I have to work on my Excel spreadsheet"!
 

whm1974

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Oh yes I do.

I still think those are coming, but about 30-40 years later than they said they would. It seems more and more things are able to connect to the internet anymore. I don't think the current generation can stand not being able to be on the internet at all times, so I can see an internet connected toaster or coffee pot (maybe they just all buy Starbucks every day?) where they Tweet, update Facebook, and browse Tinder.

I remember seeing an expensive fridge around maybe 2001 where it had a flat panel TV in the door, so you could watch TV or surf the internet.
I thought who in the hell is going to sit there and browse the internet on a 10" screen on their refrigerator? "No little Timmy, you can't get milk out because I'm checking my email right now, and then I have to work on my Excel spreadsheet"!
From my end the IoT looks more like marketing trying to convince folks to buy more useless crap instead of anyone coming out with something that is even remotely functional.

Seriously, just why in Hell would people want to have all of their household appliances connected to the Internet for in the first place?
 

bbhaag

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From my end the IoT looks more like marketing trying to convince folks to buy more useless crap instead of anyone coming out with something that is even remotely functional.

Seriously, just why in Hell would people want to have all of their household appliances connected to the Internet for in the first place?
I can kinda see why someone would want smart appliances. I have both of my HVAC systems on smart thermostats and it's nice being able to log in and see the current temp on the main floor and second HVAC unit upstairs. It's also nice to change the temp if I want to from my phone or pc.

I'm also the small business owner of a greenhouse/garden center. Shameless plug incoming...check us out on Facebook@ Washington Greenhouse.
Anyway, this time of year I need to constantly check the temperature of the greenhouse. If it dips below a certain point I need to get there quickly to add supplemental heating to my crops do not get to cold and suffer damage. You might be asking "What does this have to do with my post?" enter the Temp Stick a wifi enabled thermometer. I can check the temperature of my greenhouse from home instead of heading over there late at night. So far this little thermometer has saved me hundreds of dollars in propane for supplemental heating not to mention my time which to me is even more valuable.

So to sum this up I can definitely see a case for internet connected appliances and devices. Even something simple like a thermometer.
 

whm1974

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@bbhaag In your case I can see where you will get a great deal of functionality out of IoTs, but many of these devices are not well thought out at all.
 

bbhaag

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@bbhaag In your case I can see where you will get a great deal of functionality out of IoTs, but many of these devices are not well thought out at all.
That is true but IoT devices are still in there infancy. I cannot fathom how integrated and integral to our everyday lives they will be 5, 10 , or 15 years from now.
 

whm1974

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That is true but IoT devices are still in there infancy. I cannot fathom how integrated and integral to our everyday lives they will be 5, 10 , or 15 years from now.
And there will a be a good market for people who want "dumb" devices.
 

mindless1

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... greenhouse. If it dips below a certain point I need to get there quickly to add supplemental heating to my crops do not get to cold and suffer damage. You might be asking "What does this have to do with my post?" enter the Temp Stick a wifi enabled thermometer. I can check the temperature of my greenhouse from home instead of heading over there late at night. So far this little thermometer has saved me hundreds of dollars in propane for supplemental heating not to mention my time which to me is even more valuable.

There has to be some better automated way to do that which does not involve need an internet connected thermostat and traveling to it? Heater with built in thermostat and ignition system, then solar /battery powered if no electricity available? I don't see any need to check the temperature of a heating system after the invention of thermostats, except maybe in an emergency situation if a high value crop and the heating system is flaky, but then a redundant 2nd heater would make sense, with either having just enough capacity to handle worst case on its own.
 
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bbhaag

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There has to be some better automated way to do that which does not involve need an internet connected thermostat and traveling to it? Heater with built in thermostat and ignition system, then solar /battery powered if no electricity available? I don't see any need to check the temperature of a heating system after the invention of thermostats, except maybe in an emergency situation if a high value crop and the heating system is flaky, but then a redundant 2nd heater would make sense, with either having just enough capacity to handle worst case on its own.
I can tell you don't know much about greenhouses. All my heaters are on a Wadsworth Step 50A temp controller.
The issue I have is when your walls and roof are made out of 6mil plastic it doesn't matter how much heat you have they just can't keep up on really cold nights especially when the wind is blowing.
What the temp stick allows me to do it remotely monitor the temperature on cold nights. If I see that the temp is not maintaining I can head over and light propane torches to supplement. Before I got the temp stick I was driving over there three or four times a night to check on the place and see where the temperature was at.

The reason I need to check the temperature of my greenhouse constantly is because I have close to a million dollars worth of product in it. I can't afford to loose any of it because of a cold night.
 
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bbhaag

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Sure dude whatever....you're going to believe what you want to. Ain't no changing that but I will tell you IoT is here and it's only going to get bigger and better with time.
 

whm1974

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Sure dude whatever....you're going to believe what you want to. Ain't no changing that but I will tell you IoT is here and it's only going to get bigger and better with time.
This has nothing to do what I believe. I'm hardly the only one who is skeptical of IoT devices in general. Many Security experts have been critical of the lack of proper security and long term support of many of these items.
 

bbhaag

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Sure sounds good man. Some people see the value in them and some people don't and that's fine. I think it's safe to say we went way OT in the tech forum though so I'll just drop it and leave it at that.
 

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What the REDACTED has this thread become!

We have a zero tolerance for profanity in the tech sub-forums.

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whm1974

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@SinOfLiberty Can you please present an actual argument on why you believe that Windows is dead? The OS is so well entrenched on the Desktop that it will not go anywhere anytime soon, even if Microsoft goes belly up on Monday.

@Iron Woode Sorry if I step on your toes, that wasn't my intent.
 

mindless1

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I can tell you don't know much about greenhouses. All my heaters are on a Wadsworth Step 50A temp controller.
The issue I have is when your walls and roof are made out of 6mil plastic it doesn't matter how much heat you have they just can't keep up on really cold nights especially when the wind is blowing.
What the temp stick allows me to do it remotely monitor the temperature on cold nights. If I see that the temp is not maintaining I can head over and light propane torches to supplement. Before I got the temp stick I was driving over there three or four times a night to check on the place and see where the temperature was at.

The reason I need to check the temperature of my greenhouse constantly is because I have close to a million dollars worth of product in it. I can't afford to loose any of it because of a cold night.

This does not make sense. You're stating you need to start supplemental heaters if a thermostat senses it is getting too cold, when my suggestion is your supplemental heaters are controlled by a thermostat and start themselves. They do make propane heaters with that feature.

Suit yourself though... not my greenhouse.
 

mikeymikec

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The OS is so well entrenched on the Desktop that it will not go anywhere anytime soon, even if Microsoft goes belly up on Monday.

The way things are going with MS at the moment, I'd be inclined to argue that Windows's dominant marketshare would last longer if MS went belly-up on Monday
 
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whm1974

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The way things are going with MS at the moment, I'd be inclined to argue that Windows's dominant marketshare would last longer if MS went belly-up on Monday
Yeah I doubt a lot of businesses and folks will find it easy to migrate over to another platform anytime soon if that happen.
 
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