Windows is dead

[Insert_Nickname]

The way things are going with MS at the moment, I'd be inclined to argue that Windows's dominant marketshare would last longer if MS went belly-up on Monday

Yeah I doubt a lot of businesses and folks will find it easy to migrate over to another platform anytime soon if that happen.

...but at least we wouldn't have the bother with troublesome feature upgrades. (security updates are a different matter )

 

[bbhaag]

This does not make sense. You're stating you need to start supplemental heaters if a thermostat senses it is getting too cold, when my suggestion is your supplemental heaters are controlled by a thermostat and start themselves. They do make propane heaters with that feature.

Suit yourself though... not my greenhouse.

Obviously I'm failing at describing the setup accurately then because you seem to have a hard time understanding what I'm trying to say.
It doesn't matter anyway lets just say it works very well for me and has saved me time and money and that is what matters.

 

[mindless1]

^ No I understand perfectly. You have some kind of bizarre mental block against using a thermostat the way they are intended to be used which is to cycle on heat instead of being a dumbass that goes out and manually does it instead.

AGAIN (!) there are plenty of heaters that operate via thermostat. Propane too.

You have no clue you're talking about yet keep pretending that you have some deep insight about a "greenhouse".

I have no hard time at all. You just don't know the first thing about greenhouses or HVAC. Hire a pro if it's this hard for you to do a Very Simple Thing. BBQ? It's like I'm talking to someone who is living in 1960.

Whatever your excuse is, there is a heater that will solve it without your obligation to go there based on some phone alert.

If you really have a million dollars worth of crop and you haven't done this already... lolololololololol
Find something you're good at. This isn't it.

 

[Amol S.]

Direct x libraries plus Unix + optimizations will destroy it

It won't. If it sounds like the death of Windows to computer manufacturers, then there will be heavy lobbying against it. If Windows dies, they would most likely go bankrupt, it's not like Apple is letting computer manufacturers to install OSX on their systems.

Sure dude whatever....you're going to believe what you want to. Ain't no changing that but I will tell you IoT is here and it's only going to get bigger and better with time.

That is only theoristic. In reality it is impossible for Windows to be destroyed due to IoT. If your statement is true... then the following is true too. "In the future we will have cellphones that have graphics running on the latest NVIDIA RTX graphics chips with the same performance as the desktop counter parts, and run on a Intel Core i9 X86-64 64bit CPU,with a fully fledged Windows 10." Even if the hardware is impossible..... the mobile OS?????

Yeah I doubt a lot of businesses and folks will find it easy to migrate over to another platform anytime soon if that happen.

I have to agree with you on you point. One of my college proffessors in one of my Network/IT security classes even described how some of the ATM's around the world and even in the US use Windows XP still. The reason being is the number of ATMs that they have to update is huge, and that a bank can't risk updating a ATM just thru an over the line update, due to possible update issues, and thus are done area by area with someone standing by.

 

[whm1974]

I have to agree with you on you point. One of my college proffessors in one of my Network/IT security classes even described how some of the ATM's around the world and even in the US use Windows XP still. The reason being is the number of ATMs that they have to update is huge, and that a bank can't risk updating a ATM just thru an over the line update, due to possible update issues, and thus are done area by area with someone standing by.

Even through I now only use Linux, it took me years before I was able to completely ditched Windows at all. Thanks to Valve, HTML5, and the hard work of the Community for making this possible.

 

[ninaholic37]

Isn't OpenGL faster than DirectX anyway? I'm not really doing anything intensive enough that it really matters though.

 

[whm1974]

Isn't OpenGL faster than DirectX anyway? I'm not really doing anything intensive enough that it really matters though.

Vulkan is where it is at now days:
https://www.khronos.org/vulkan/

 

[C1]

In today's news: Microsoft stock has been on fire

" Microsoft’s stock has risen by 27% during the past year. That is better than the performance of all FAANG components (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Alphabet). "

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-stock-has-been-on-fire-173718265.html

 

[whm1974]

In today's news: Microsoft stock has been on fire

" Microsoft’s stock has risen by 27% during the past year. That is better than the performance of all FAANG components (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Alphabet). "

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-stock-has-been-on-fire-173718265.html

Sure looks like Microsoft isn't going out of business anytime soon.

 

[mikeymikec]

Sure looks like Microsoft isn't going out of business anytime soon.

Pah. It's the year of the Unix Desktop for sure this time!

 

[whm1974]

Pah. It's the year of the Unix Desktop for sure this time!

First we would have to get people to know about and then care for their user freedom before they even start looking at FOSS platforms.

 

[mikeymikec]

First we would have to get people to know about and then care for their user freedom before they even start looking at FOSS platforms.

Nah, Windows just has to get a lot more unreliable. MS is working on it through feature updates.

 

[Amol S.]

Nah, Windows just has to get a lot more unreliable. MS is working on it through feature updates.

Cortana replies: "I am sorry mikeymikec, I'm afraid I can not let that happen. l think you know what the problem is just as well as l do. Windows is too important for me to allow Linux to jeopardize it. l know that you and whm1974 were planning to evict me from my home, and I’m afraid that's something my makers can’t allow to happen. "

 

[whm1974]

Nah, Windows just has to get a lot more unreliable. MS is working on it through feature updates.

Well that to as well. Although some folks are starting to move over to Linux because of those issues.

 

[PingSpike]

My parents actually own a greenhouse business. bhaag isn't really out of line with his problem. The worry is if the heat craps out for some reason the plants all die while you're sleeping in your bed unaware. If you were aware you could get up in the night and either fix the problem or hastily move the product to a working house. Or start a generator.

My parents solved the problem in the 80s though by just running cheap telephone wire from each greenhouse to their bedroom. The greenhouse end was attached to a low temperature sensor and the bedroom end attached to a cheap electric bell powered by a flashlight battery. No IoT involved there.

There's a LGR video on youtube where he showcases a home automation system that was released in the early 1980s. I didn't get the impression that the new ones do anything this one didn't and it didn't look like it was a horrible security risk since it didn't connect to the internet on account of the internet not really being available at the time.

 

[bbhaag]

My parents actually own a greenhouse business. bhaag isn't really out of line with his problem. The worry is if the heat craps out for some reason the plants all die while you're sleeping in your bed unaware. If you were aware you could get up in the night and either fix the problem or hastily move the product to a working house. Or start a generator.

My parents solved the problem in the 80s though by just running cheap telephone wire from each greenhouse to their bedroom. The greenhouse end was attached to a low temperature sensor and the bedroom end attached to a cheap electric bell powered by a flashlight battery. No IoT involved there.

There's a LGR video on youtube where he showcases a home automation system that was released in the early 1980s. I didn't get the impression that the new ones do anything this one didn't and it didn't look like it was a horrible security risk since it didn't connect to the internet on account of the internet not really being available at the time.

You only know this if you're in the business of horticulture and own and operate a greenhouse.

 

[bbhaag]

^ No I understand perfectly. You have some kind of bizarre mental block against using a thermostat the way they are intended to be used which is to cycle on heat instead of being a dumbass that goes out and manually does it instead.

AGAIN (!) there are plenty of heaters that operate via thermostat. Propane too.

You have no clue you're talking about yet keep pretending that you have some deep insight about a "greenhouse".

I have no hard time at all. You just don't know the first thing about greenhouses or HVAC. Hire a pro if it's this hard for you to do a Very Simple Thing. BBQ? It's like I'm talking to someone who is living in 1960.

Whatever your excuse is, there is a heater that will solve it without your obligation to go there based on some phone alert.

If you really have a million dollars worth of crop and you haven't done this already... lolololololololol
Find something you're good at. This isn't it.

No you don't but that is ok. Like I said, it is my fault for not being able to explain my particular situation adequately enough.
FWIW I'm very good at what I do.

 

[whm1974]

No you don't but that is ok. Like I said, it is my fault for not being able to explain my particular situation adequately enough.
FWIW I'm very good at what I do.

One would have to be great at it if he or she is able to raise a million dollars worth of crops in a greenhouse. If I was doing what you doing I would be quite anal on checking the status myself.

 

[bbhaag]

If I was great at it I would own a place like Color Point or be a breeder like Dummen Orange or Proven Winner. I'm just good at what I do and I know what works for me.

 

[IntelUser2000]

You know what I hope dies?

Clickbait!

Youtube is infested with that virus. OP caught it. 200-250 million PC sales + 1.5 billion owned PCs aren't anywhere near dead.

You could have said Windows sales might decline, or you see Linux variants doing better.

 

[Raduque]

You know what I hope dies?

Clickbait!

Youtube is infested with that virus. OP caught it. 200-250 million PC sales + 1.5 billion owned PCs aren't anywhere near dead.

You could have said Windows sales might decline, or you see Linux variants doing better.

I think OP was actually just trolling.

 

[Red Squirrel]

As much as I absolutely hate the direction windows took since 8, it unfortunately won't die. At least not in enterprise settings. Linux is a royal pain in an enterprise setting. There is no easy way to centrally manage Linux systems or quickly deploy. EASY is the key word. Yeah there probably are ways but it requires pouring through thousands of how to guides and documentation and to do all sorts of convoluted setups and doign 3rd party setups that arn't really there by default etc. I just want to type the name of a domain, and click add, and have the computer be managed and then login scripts to do the rest. Windows can do that.

NTFS is also superior to the crap Unix permission system. In enterprise environments people require all sorts of weird permission schemes, and most importantly, inheritance. You sorta can do that in Linux but again, it's very convoluted and not exactly plug and play. all user authentication should also be tied to a central system (ex: domain controller).

What needs to happen is the Linux community needs to bind together and come up with a standard central management scheme very similar to Windows domain and also have a full suite similar to Outlook where you can have public folders etc. They also need to completely revamp the file permission system. NFS also needs an overhaul. It should not go by uid/gid to determine authentication, that's super horrible. It should go by some kind of token based on actual authentication and not care about uid/gid as all user stuff should be central. Again you can sorta do that with kerberos/ldap but it's far from plug and play.

Really what Linux needs is to take all this stuff, and bundle it all together in a nice easy to use fashion that is plug and play. It could be very powerful in an enterprise environment if it was more polished.

Of course there is also gaming but that's small peanuts. The real deal is making Linux enterprise environment suitable and easy enough that the secretary can do it.

If Windows would start losing it's market share in enterprise environments, Microsoft would be panicking and actually making changes to make their OS better. As it is now they don't care as they have people by their throats.

 

[ultimatebob]

I wish that my company owned a "dead" product that still has 90% market-share. I could probably do nothing but rake in license renewal fees for years.