Windows ME --- Socket 939

[kaioshade]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Windows 98 is a 32-bit operating system that includes 16-bit extensions. Windows 98 is capable of running 32-bit and 16-bit programs; it is also capable of running a train on Link19's mom, which rumor has it, is a 2-bit _ _ _ _ _ .

WRONG. It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. Windows XP is a true 32-bit OS that has an emulation subsystem for being able to run 16-bit applications. It has no dependency on 16-bit code.

Windows 98 depends on 16-bit code just to run. How embarassing is that which is why it makes it such a POS OS. All it really is is 16-bit DOS in disguise.

you can't help yourself can you?

why don't you crawl back under the bridge you came from under and fvck off.

Link19 is a pathetic girly-man troll in disguise

I think windows 98 murdered his dog....

 

[salventura]

sourceninja:

Thank you for the information regarding Linux and 939 motherboards. I've never been a fan of Microsoft -- I stopped using their browser more than a year ago. Maybe now is a good time to go all the way and make the switch to Linux. After all, old dogs can learn new tricks, can't they?

Thanks again and best regards,

-- Sal

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: kaioshade

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Windows 98 is a 32-bit operating system that includes 16-bit extensions. Windows 98 is capable of running 32-bit and 16-bit programs; it is also capable of running a train on Link19's mom, which rumor has it, is a 2-bit _ _ _ _ _ .

WRONG. It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. Windows XP is a true 32-bit OS that has an emulation subsystem for being able to run 16-bit applications. It has no dependency on 16-bit code.

Windows 98 depends on 16-bit code just to run. How embarassing is that which is why it makes it such a POS OS. All it really is is 16-bit DOS in disguise.

you can't help yourself can you?

why don't you crawl back under the bridge you came from under and fvck off.

Link19 is a pathetic girly-man troll in disguise

I think windows 98 murdered his dog....

Nah...win98 probably had it's way with Link19 in the locker room one arvo

 

[salventura]

Kiwi:

Many thanks for the info on MB makers and socket 939. I'm interested in this board primarily because of it's dual channel memory capability. I usually have pretty good luck thanks to newegg and driverguide and, of course, to knowledgeable people such as yourself.

In case I don't find a suitable MB/drivers I may just remain here in 754 land or switch operating systems -- Linux supports socket 939.

Thank you again, Kiwi, for the info and adivce.

-- Sal

 

[imported_Kiwi]

I hope it's of help. I was worried about drivers and compatibilities before I was ready to upgrade into s939 territory, and checked it out, bought my MB's ahead of time to get the drivers while they were available. I can't afford to jump to the latest technology for several PC's when it's new, and instead of one leading edge unit plus three trailing edge, I choose to stay in the middle, a couple of years behind, where I get the depreciation taken out before I ever buy my parts. So I have one old PC with a Via chipset and a sub-2200 XP, three NF2 boxes with 2600-2800-3000 XP's, and the one still breadboarded A64 for which I only ordered the case this past Friday. The oldest will go into reserve in a couple of weeks.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin
Windows 98 is a 32bit OS.

It is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. The fact remains that POS Win 98SE/ME depend on 16-bit code just to exist. That makes them not a true 32-bit OS. They are capable of running 32-bit programs, but they are not a real 32-bit OS and thus cannot run 32-bit programs with the same level of performance as any other real 32-bit OS.

Haha you sucker. I merely stated that to get one of your rants started. I've got access to Windows 98 source code, do you?

Maybe you are talking about that Point Of Sale version hehe. Have you ever tried to run Windows 9x on a 16bit machine??? You are so very very wrong that I don't even know where to begin. I get an absolute kick out of watching you make such an ass of yourself again and again.

Most people feel emotional distress at being shunned by their peers. You however have managed to become the laughing stock of the entire Anandtech forum and either do not realize it or are so socially inept that you don't care.

When I have more time I'll come back and make fun of you some more.


Nobody likes you.

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin
Windows 98 is a 32bit OS.

It is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. The fact remains that POS Win 98SE/ME depend on 16-bit code just to exist. That makes them not a true 32-bit OS. They are capable of running 32-bit programs, but they are not a real 32-bit OS and thus cannot run 32-bit programs with the same level of performance as any other real 32-bit OS.

Haha you sucker. I merely stated that to get one of your rants started. I've got access to Windows 98 source code, do you?

Maybe you are talking about that Point Of Sale version hehe. Have you ever tried to run Windows 9x on a 16bit machine??? You are so very very wrong that I don't even know where to begin. I get an absolute kick out of watching you make such an ass of yourself again and again.

Most people feel emotional distress at being shunned by their peers. You however have managed to become the laughing stock of the entire Anandtech forum and either do not realize it or are so socially inept that you don't care.

When I have more time I'll come back and make fun of you some more.


Nobody likes you.

It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. The GUI is 32-bit, but that GUI rides on top of a 16-bit OS called DOS. It is a 32-bit enabled program running on top of DOS much like Pharlaps DOS extender. The fact remains that Windows 98 couldn't exist without 16-bit DOS just like the 32-bit Pharlaps DOS extender couldn't exist without 16-bit DOS.

Linux, NT based Windows, VMS, Solaris, MAC OS X, and OS/2 WARP are all real 32-bit opertaing systems and not just a special DOS extender.

The fact is that Windows 9X is NOT a 32-bit OS from ground up. It still has and depends on real 16-bit code to exist. Whether you can run it on a 16-bit system or not, I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that Windows 98 is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16/32-bit OS.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Link19
The fact is that Windows 9X is NOT a 32-bit OS from ground up. It still has and depends on real 16-bit code to exist. Whether you can run it on a 16-bit system or not, I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that Windows 98 is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16/32-bit OS.

Prove it.

If it's a 16bit OS, run it on a 16bit system.

Don't be changing your story either. You're letting some "16/32-bit" phrase sneak in there. Stick to your guns.

So I'm gonna sit here and patiently tap my foot while you prove this far fetched idea that you have. The only way you are getting out of this is to scrap Link19 and make a new avatar. You're too far down this preposterous path to ever go back now. Link19 has been branded an idiot and the only way out is to throw away the account and start over. I'll make you a deal though...You prove to me (remember I can look at the source code if I need) that Windows 9x/ME is a 16bit OS and I'll change my signature to anything you want for an entire year... "Link is the pimp" or any other shenanigans you desire.

Isn't this conversation about 8 years too late??

 

[Stumps]

Isn't this conversation about 8 years too late??

unfortunately Link19 brain processing speed is about 8 years slower than everybody else( Homer simpson at lenny's place playing poker...."something said..not good, think homer...think think think").

so he is only now catching up to discussions that we all had back when win95/98 first came out.

but yes, I would like to see link19 run the Win9x based OS'es on a 16-bit PC(hmmm 286 anybody?), they barely run on the first 32-bit PC's(386DX).

so by link19's claim win9x should run no problems on the old 286 or even a 8086(16-bit decoders with 8-bit memory), but the truth is they won't, you need a 32-bit processor to run them...which in my books would qualify them as a 32-bit OS.

MS only had one 16bit OS with 32bit extentions and that was Win3.11 with Win32S.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin
Windows 98 is a 32bit OS.

It is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. The fact remains that POS Win 98SE/ME depend on 16-bit code just to exist. That makes them not a true 32-bit OS. They are capable of running 32-bit programs, but they are not a real 32-bit OS and thus cannot run 32-bit programs with the same level of performance as any other real 32-bit OS.

Haha you sucker. I merely stated that to get one of your rants started. I've got access to Windows 98 source code, do you?

Maybe you are talking about that Point Of Sale version hehe. Have you ever tried to run Windows 9x on a 16bit machine??? You are so very very wrong that I don't even know where to begin. I get an absolute kick out of watching you make such an ass of yourself again and again.

Most people feel emotional distress at being shunned by their peers. You however have managed to become the laughing stock of the entire Anandtech forum and either do not realize it or are so socially inept that you don't care.

When I have more time I'll come back and make fun of you some more.


Nobody likes you.

It is a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions. The GUI is 32-bit, but that GUI rides on top of a 16-bit OS called DOS. It is a 32-bit enabled program running on top of DOS much like Pharlaps DOS extender. The fact remains that Windows 98 couldn't exist without 16-bit DOS just like the 32-bit Pharlaps DOS extender couldn't exist without 16-bit DOS.

Linux, NT based Windows, VMS, Solaris, MAC OS X, and OS/2 WARP are all real 32-bit opertaing systems and not just a special DOS extender.

The fact is that Windows 9X is NOT a 32-bit OS from ground up. It still has and depends on real 16-bit code to exist. Whether you can run it on a 16-bit system or not, I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that Windows 98 is NOT a true 32-bit OS. It is a 16/32-bit OS.

AWWWW!! Hes still alive.... i cant believe it.......

 

[Stumps]

yes, he is like the turd that won't flush......oh wait...HE IS the turd that won't flush.

maybe the mods need to fix the AT toliet...we need a super Link19 flusher.

 

[GreenMonkey]

Who cares if it is 16-bit, 32-bit, or whatever. There's no significant difference between 64-bit and 32-bit at this point, really, so what does it matter if it's 16-bit, or 8-bit like a NES? As long as it does what you need it to do, who cares how many bits it is?

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Smilin



Link19 = Nobody likes you.

QFT!!

 

[Link19]

Windows 98 is not a true 32-bit OS plain and simple.

Here is proof right here: http://www.linearx.com/forums/showthread.php?p=387

http://www.computing.net/cgi-bin/printer.pl?1503|windowsme

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Link19
Windows 98 is not a true 32-bit OS plain and simple.

Here is proof right here: http://www.linearx.com/forums/showthread.php?p=387

http://www.computing.net/cgi-bin/printer.pl?1503|windowsme

Thats not proof. Links to other forums are nothing more than opinionated comments; they are not fact.

Again, you have failed to provide real proof that Windows 98 is a 16 bit operating system. You seem to know so fvcking much about Windows 98, why can't you give us your "expert" analysis on why its a 16-bit operating system? You don't have a fvcking clue. You were what, 13 years old when Windows 98 was released? Don't hate on everyone else here just because we know how to install and operate one of Microsoft's greatest operating systems while you failed.

Now.. run along now little one.. like my man Smilin said.. nobody likes you

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Link19
Windows 98 is not a true 32-bit OS plain and simple.

Here is proof right here: http://www.linearx.com/forums/showthread.php?p=387

http://www.computing.net/cgi-bin/printer.pl?1503|windowsme

Thats not proof. Links to other forums are nothing more than opinionated comments; they are not fact.

Again, you have failed to provide real proof that Windows 98 is a 16 bit operating system. You seem to know so fvcking much about Windows 98, why can't you give us your "expert" analysis on why its a 16-bit operating system? You don't have a fvcking clue. You were what, 13 years old when Windows 98 was released? Don't hate on everyone else here just because we know how to install and operate one of Microsoft's greatest operating systems while you failed.

Now.. run along now little one.. like my man Smilin said.. nobody likes you

I could get Widnows NT to be stable and it didn't have have Pluag and Play. So don't try and tell me that I don't know how to operate an OS, considering that I could setup an OS that didn't even have pkug and play.

I knew how to operate Windows 98, it just was unstable and it sucked. Uptime was horrible.

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Windows 98 depends on 16-bit code just to run. How embarassing is that which is why it makes it such a POS OS. All it really is is 16-bit DOS in disguise.

No, it requires DOS to boot but that's it. Do you consider NetWare a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions just because it uses DOS to boot too?

Netware doesn't require DOS to boot. It can boot from DOS just like Linux can boot from DOS, but it doesn't need it. When Netware loads from DOS, it completely erases DOS from memory. When WIndows 9X loads, it does not erase DOS from memory, it simpkly bypasses it. Windows 98 has to use 16-bit DOS to boot. It cannot boot any other way. It also dpeends on WIN16 code from Windows 3.X which also makes it a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions.

The only reason you probably can't install Windows 98/ME on a 286 is because Microsoft probably disabled the ability for them to be installed on anything less than a 386 DX because Microsoft was uncomfortable with people knowing that WIndows 98/ME were based on MS-DOS and not a true 32-bit OS.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Windows 98 depends on 16-bit code just to run. How embarassing is that which is why it makes it such a POS OS. All it really is is 16-bit DOS in disguise.

No, it requires DOS to boot but that's it. Do you consider NetWare a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions just because it uses DOS to boot too?

Netware doesn't require DOS to boot. It can boot from DOS, but it doesn't need it. Windows 98 has to use 16-bit DOS to boot. It cannot boot any other way. It also dpeends on WIN16 code from Windows 3.X which also makes it a 16-bit OS with 32-bit extensions.

The only reason you probably can't install Windows 98/ME on a 286 is because Microsoft probably disabled the ability for them to be installed on anything less than a 386 DX because Microsoft was uncomfortable with people knowing that WIndows 98/ME were based on MS-DOS and not a true 32-bit OS.

Remove the tin-foil hat , you fvcking loser.. oh my god.. you can't be serious

 

[Nothinman]

Netware doesn't require DOS to boot. It can boot from DOS, but it doesn't need it.

It most certainly does, at least up to and including NetWare 5. NetWare 6 was supposed to include a Linux flavor so maybe they've moved on, but all previous versions require you boot DOS and then run 'server.exe' to start actual NetWare.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Link19
[The only reason you probably can't install Windows 98/ME on a 286 is because Microsoft probably disabled the ability for them to be installed on anything less than a 386 DX because Microsoft was uncomfortable with people knowing that WIndows 98/ME were based on MS-DOS and not a true 32-bit OS.

BLAST YOU LINK!!!! You've finally probably proven that it probably is a 16 bit OS because Microsoft felt uncomfortable that you were probably going to know that... uh.. umm... hold on it will come to me...


..wait for it...



...




Ah yes.. I remember now! It's a 32bit OS and you're an idiot.




Oh, and btw your whole hypothesis about how Windows boots is another one of your accidental jokes. By such an argument XP x64 would be an 8bit OS because of what code loads in memory during the early boot sequence. Heck by your argument Windows 9x, NT 3.x, 4.x and 5.x are ALL Dos based since they start out in real mode instead of 32bit protected mode.

My offer still stands: Prove it's a 16bit OS and I'll change my sig to whatever you want. If however, you were to abandon such a retarted pursuit and actually admit you are wrong after such a long stretch of stubborness it would actually earn you a glimmer of respect since swallowing so much pride is something few have the integrity to do.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Netware doesn't require DOS to boot. It can boot from DOS, but it doesn't need it.

It most certainly does, at least up to and including NetWare 5. NetWare 6 was supposed to include a Linux flavor so maybe they've moved on, but all previous versions require you boot DOS and then run 'server.exe' to start actual NetWare.

Yeah, I never understood why, but there was no way around it: Netware had to have DOS to boot. Since Netware 6 is a SuSe Linux distro, I image that is no longer true.

 

[Nothinman]

Yeah, I never understood why, but there was no way around it: Netware had to have DOS to boot. Since Netware 6 is a SuSe Linux distro, I image that is no longer true.

I would guess laziness. The current setup worked, they gave you a copy of DR-DOS with the system and once server.exe was loaded DOS was removed (optionally) so it's not like it was a big deal, it just looked bad IMO.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Link19
[The only reason you probably can't install Windows 98/ME on a 286 is because Microsoft probably disabled the ability for them to be installed on anything less than a 386 DX because Microsoft was uncomfortable with people knowing that WIndows 98/ME were based on MS-DOS and not a true 32-bit OS.

BLAST YOU LINK!!!! You've finally probably proven that it probably is a 16 bit OS because Microsoft felt uncomfortable that you were probably going to know that... uh.. umm... hold on it will come to me...


..wait for it...



...




Ah yes.. I remember now! It's a 32bit OS and you're an idiot.




Oh, and btw your whole hypothesis about how Windows boots is another one of your accidental jokes. By such an argument XP x64 would be an 8bit OS because of what code loads in memory during the early boot sequence. Heck by your argument Windows 9x, NT 3.x, 4.x and 5.x are ALL Dos based since they start out in real mode instead of 32bit protected mode.

My offer still stands: Prove it's a 16bit OS and I'll change my sig to whatever you want. If however, you were to abandon such a retarted pursuit and actually admit you are wrong after such a long stretch of stubborness it would actually earn you a glimmer of respect since swallowing so much pride is something few have the integrity to do.

**me hears the sound of crickets chirping in the night waiting for response**

 

[networkman]

Originally posted by: Link19Netware doesn't require DOS to boot. It can boot from DOS just like Linux can boot from DOS, but it doesn't need it. When Netware loads from DOS, it completely erases DOS from memory.

Man, you are so freaking wrong on that point! If there was ever any doubt about your operating system experience before, it's surely gone now. Netware up through 5.x required DOS or PC-DOS in order to start up. Repeat: required it! And by the way, unloading DOS from memory after server.exe started was an option; it did not automatically erase DOS from memory. Again, clearly you are lacking real experience with Netware, and other other operating systems as well.

 

[GreenMonkey]

Again, I say, who the hell cares how many bits it is, if it does the job?