Windows ME --- Socket 939

[Stumps]

yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

 

[postmortemIA]

It would be my main OS if I haven't gave my P!!! rig to my parents back in 2001.

 

[gsellis]

OP, if you are having issues with an application in XP and think ME will solve it, why don't you tell us what it is and the issue? Someone may know the XP compatibility settings as a workaround. You really want XP as device support is gone for ME.

While Link19 is usually wrong, in W95, real-mode run right down to the processor. "DOS" was 32-bits. But, W95 could switch to a real-mode VDM that ran as 16bit and switch to 16-bit at the hardware level. MS discouraged its use (as a crash in real-mode was fatal/no recovery). BUT, W9x also supported WOW (Windows on Windows), which was much more graceful that using the realmode stuff. I cannot remember if 98 got rid of this. I thought it did, but that was so freaking long ago and we only supported ME and 95 on laptops until W2K was available (all desktops were NT 3.51, 4, XP).

 

[Turin39789]

lol

98 fanbois

 

[networkman]

Originally posted by: Link19Guess what, there are no drivers for POS Windows 98/ME for the GeForce 7XXX video cards and there never will be.

There are currently no 98/ME drivers for the the GeForce 7xxx video cards - that doesn't mean there will never be. And even if they aren't released from the official company, there are plenty of talented programmers out there already making drivers for various video cards in the Linux community. It's not a stretch to say that someone may very well write a driver for Win98/ME as well.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

:Q

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: POS Link9x
They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said.

Link9x, you are a POS troll! Enough said.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

Here we go again

I bet I can get Windows 98 / ME to see 1GB of memory

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: networkman

Originally posted by: Link19Guess what, there are no drivers for POS Windows 98/ME for the GeForce 7XXX video cards and there never will be.

There are currently no 98/ME drivers for the the GeForce 7xxx video cards - that doesn't mean there will never be. And even if they aren't released from the official company, there are plenty of talented programmers out there already making drivers for various video cards in the Linux community. It's not a stretch to say that someone may very well write a driver for Win98/ME as well.

There will never be drivers for POS Windows 98/ME for the GeForce 7XXX video cards. If there were going to be, it would have happened at least a year ago. The GeForce 7XXX based video cards have already been out since June, 2005. There are still no drivers for that POS OS for such good video cards. And it will stay that way.

NVIDIA even has Linux drivers for the GeForce 7XXX video cards. They will never release drivers for POS Windows 98/ME for the GeForce 7XXX video cards.

No skilled programmers will either as no one is interested in using a high end video card on such a POS OS like Win98SE/ME, and it is extremely difficult for third party programmers to come out with good working drivers non-official from a video card manufacturer.

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

Here we go again

I bet I can get Windows 98 / ME to see 1GB of memory

I said more than 1GB of memory I did not say it couldn't see 1GB. However, it couldn't use 1GB very well, if at all, even though it can definitely see it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Is that a binary gigabyte or a metric gigabyte?

Link19: Would you mind just butting out of these types of threads? We know you've got a problem with win98, but it isn't your place to tell everyone else what to use. Your antics are getting old.

 

[Nothinman]

Link19: Would you mind just butting out of these types of threads? We know you've got a problem with win98, but it isn't your place to tell everyone else what to use. Your antics are getting old.

Yea, he's like the 7yr old yelling "Pay attention to me mommy" while mom's trying to get work done or something.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

Here we go again

I bet I can get Windows 98 / ME to see 1GB of memory

I said more than 1GB of memory I did not say it couldn't see 1GB. However, it couldn't use 1GB very well, if at all, even though it can definitely see it.

More than 1GB.. you godda*n right I can

Nice way to retract your previous fud.. from it "can't see it" ... to now its just "can't use it very well"..

Every piece of FUD you spread around these forums, you always retract and come up with some other FUD


You do realize you are one of a kind.. a one of a kind fvcking nut case.. You seriously need some mental help. I know its been mentioned many times before, but seriously.. have you ever thought of getting an examination?

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Is that a binary gigabyte or a metric gigabyte?

Link19: Would you mind just butting out of these types of threads? We know you've got a problem with win98, but it isn't your place to tell everyone else what to use. Your antics are getting old.

:thumbsup:

Windows 9x will work fine with 1GB of RAM. It's limit would be the same 4GB that WinXP and all 32-bit OSes share. However, you do need to edit a Vcache setting if there is more than 512MB and supposedly the rule of thumb was that you didn't get any performance increase above 256MB. BUT this is from a time when 256MB was an obscene amount of RAM and the old RAM issues could have likely been hardware related as much as software related. And keep in mind, Windows 98 sped like a bullet with 128MB of RAM. Windows 98 did not NEED anywhere near 1GB of RAM so who cares "how well" it uses more than 512MB? Unlike the bloated WinXP which crawls with 256MB.

Not that that means Windows 98 is "better" than Windows XP. There are different OSes for different eras. It's like saying Apache 1 was POS and should have never been released, but Apache 2 is awesome. Well, if there was no Apache 1, there would be no Apache 2.

And guess what dumbsh!t Link9x, most of WinXPs features came from Windows 98. Without Windows 98 we would have Windows NT 4-ish OSes, and snot-snosed cry-@sses like you couldn't figure out how to even get NT 4 installed. Even a lot of NT 4's features were in Windows 95 first. Gawd your arguments are so STUPID!

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

Hm. there are those interesting unexplained phrases again. What do you mean by 32-bit extensions? Where are they, how do they work? What is a native 16-bit architecture? Why won't that work on a 16 bit machine again? Doesn't your sig say "pseudo 32-bit code"? What is that exactly.

Didn't you say earlier that you can't remove DOS from memory on Window 9x? How does that DOS run exactly without a command interpreter loaded?

*sigh*

C'mon POS link19 you can do better than this. Debating with you is like whacking a piñata...without wearing the blindfold!

If you want to fight back, start by reinforcing some of these ludicrous claims you make with some evidence. Here let me help you out:

For example your signature quote about NT 3.1 being light years ahead of Windows 98/ME... This is actually true but you are too stupid to know why so when someone disputes the fact you can only defend yourself by making crap up which in turn leads them to dispute that and you spiral into this blithering retard mode that you always find yourself in.

Instead of doing this, go find yourself a copy of "Inside Windows" or dig up some history on Windows NT and how it really spawned from OS/2. In that history it will address some of the fundamental design goals that Microsoft had when designing OS/2 and Windows NT. They will touch on the problems they learned from with Windows 3.x and 9x.

Now you are armed with these things called "facts" and when one of these mean guys on here tells you: 1) that you are stupid and that 2) NT 3.1 is NOT light years ahead of 98/ME you can at least defend yourself on point #2. See?? Wasn't that easy?? Now you try it...

 

[darincm]

wow....
read this:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part6/wrkc28.mspx?mfr=true

some key points:

"Like Windows 95, Windows 98 is derived from the Windows 3.1 platform and includes the following features:

? A complete 32-bit kernel, including memory management, and preemptive multitasking and multithreading support.

? A fully integrated 32-bit, protected-mode file system, which eliminates the need to rely on a separate copy of MS-DOS once the system boots up.

? 32-bit installable file system drivers supporting FAT, FAT32, ISO 9660 (CD-ROM), ISO 13346 (Universal Disk Format/Digital Video Disc [UDF/DVD]), network redirection, and high performance. These file system drivers also support the use of long file names and an open, modular architecture to handle future expansion.

? WDM support, which allows a WDM-supported device to run under both Windows 98 and future versions of Windows NT using the same driver.

? Improved system-wide robustness and "cleanup" after an application or driver fails. This delivers a more stable and reliable operating environment.

? A dynamic hardware and environment configuration, which reduces the need for users to adjust and restart their systems manually.

of course I'm sure you'll say its a microsoft conspiracy

If you must insist on making a point, do a little research before you make yourself look like a total idiot. Pointing us to a forum post is not proof, a technical architecture document from Microsoft is!

and btw...finding that took less than 30 seconds

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: darincm
wow....
read this:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part6/wrkc28.mspx?mfr=true

some key points:

"Like Windows 95, Windows 98 is derived from the Windows 3.1 platform and includes the following features:

? A complete 32-bit kernel, including memory management, and preemptive multitasking and multithreading support.

? A fully integrated 32-bit, protected-mode file system, which eliminates the need to rely on a separate copy of MS-DOS once the system boots up.

? 32-bit installable file system drivers supporting FAT, FAT32, ISO 9660 (CD-ROM), ISO 13346 (Universal Disk Format/Digital Video Disc [UDF/DVD]), network redirection, and high performance. These file system drivers also support the use of long file names and an open, modular architecture to handle future expansion.

? WDM support, which allows a WDM-supported device to run under both Windows 98 and future versions of Windows NT using the same driver.

? Improved system-wide robustness and "cleanup" after an application or driver fails. This delivers a more stable and reliable operating environment.

? A dynamic hardware and environment configuration, which reduces the need for users to adjust and restart their systems manually.

of course I'm sure you'll say its a microsoft conspiracy

If you must insist on making a point, do a little research before you make yourself look like a total idiot. Pointing us to a forum post is not proof, a technical architecture document from Microsoft is!

and btw...finding that took less than 30 seconds

Ouch dude. Who told you to bring a damn howitzer to the schoolyard fight?

We're picking on POS link19 because it's fun watching him get riled up and squirm, not because the debate actually needs to be settled.

f'n meanie pants. You better not have just ruined this thread.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Link19

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Stumps
yeah Win98SE is a nice OS...very pleasant to use, no real issues, although getting more than 512mb ram to work is a bit of a pain..but it's worth it.

Careful, you'll poke another hole in POS link19s theory...
Interesting that one could even reach 512mb at all if only 16bits of address space were available.

It can address 512MB of memory, but not well. It can do so because of the 32-bit extensions. The 32-bit extensions on top of a native 16-bit arcitecture is what enables it to address 512MB of memory.

POS WIndows 98/ME cannot even see more than 1GB of memory. They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said. And when I say POS, it stands for Piece of Sh*t, NOT Point of Sale!!

OMFG you are such a fvcking hopeless piece of sh!t(not POS which means Point of Sale, retard) try having a look on Microsofts website, they clearly have help documents on how to get win95/98/98SE/ME to use more than 512MB.

this just proves that you have no idea what you're on about and should just stay away from PC's.

I really wish the Mods would hurry up and give you a flogging with the ban stick.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: darincm
wow....
read this:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part6/wrkc28.mspx?mfr=true

some key points:

"Like Windows 95, Windows 98 is derived from the Windows 3.1 platform and includes the following features:

? A complete 32-bit kernel, including memory management, and preemptive multitasking and multithreading support.

? A fully integrated 32-bit, protected-mode file system, which eliminates the need to rely on a separate copy of MS-DOS once the system boots up.

? 32-bit installable file system drivers supporting FAT, FAT32, ISO 9660 (CD-ROM), ISO 13346 (Universal Disk Format/Digital Video Disc [UDF/DVD]), network redirection, and high performance. These file system drivers also support the use of long file names and an open, modular architecture to handle future expansion.

? WDM support, which allows a WDM-supported device to run under both Windows 98 and future versions of Windows NT using the same driver.

? Improved system-wide robustness and "cleanup" after an application or driver fails. This delivers a more stable and reliable operating environment.

? A dynamic hardware and environment configuration, which reduces the need for users to adjust and restart their systems manually.

of course I'm sure you'll say its a microsoft conspiracy

If you must insist on making a point, do a little research before you make yourself look like a total idiot. Pointing us to a forum post is not proof, a technical architecture document from Microsoft is!

and btw...finding that took less than 30 seconds

You might want to read this. The Config.sys and Autoexec.bat section show you what happens. W95 loads 16-bit drivers in the regular <640k memory space as real mode components. Yes, it is 32-bit, but MS tried to avoid folks using the 16-bit pile. If one of these drivers crashed, so did Win95. Unlike NT or OS/2, 95 had a 16-bit underside. NT and OS/2 2.x completely virtualized it through the kernal. 95 had this 16-bit parallel stack that went to hardware. Just like DOS. As long as you left it alone, it was general fine. It took about a year for everyone to get on the device driver program.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Canterwood

Originally posted by: POS Link9x
They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said.

Link9x, you are a POS troll! Enough said.

a Point of Sale troll??? what is that?

 

[bigdaddy51]

One look at a Vista screensaver, will show you why 98 is dead and buried. As hardware evolves, new operating systems are needed to run that new hardware. If you want to run 98, be prepared to see a great amount of illegal operation shutdown messages. NOBODY will support old software forever. If the price of a new OS bothers you, use Linux or Lindows, or stick to other peoples throw aways. Time to realize, just how much the net has evolved since the old days.If you want some old hardware, I'll give you a ton of it for the price of shipping. After you are all done, you just might get one box built that will actually connect to the net. Just for Ha has I have a 1997 E-machine E-Monster, using XP as a back up box, running 512 mbs of PC 100 (max amount) and a old Voodo video card. Checking out some of the stuff available at great prices today, you can build a pretty good pc cheap. Why bother with an antique OS? ME? I've seen the last illegal operation message that I care to.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: darincm
wow....
read this:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win98/reskit/part6/wrkc28.mspx?mfr=true

some key points:

"Like Windows 95, Windows 98 is derived from the Windows 3.1 platform and includes the following features:

? A complete 32-bit kernel, including memory management, and preemptive multitasking and multithreading support.

? A fully integrated 32-bit, protected-mode file system, which eliminates the need to rely on a separate copy of MS-DOS once the system boots up.

? 32-bit installable file system drivers supporting FAT, FAT32, ISO 9660 (CD-ROM), ISO 13346 (Universal Disk Format/Digital Video Disc [UDF/DVD]), network redirection, and high performance. These file system drivers also support the use of long file names and an open, modular architecture to handle future expansion.

? WDM support, which allows a WDM-supported device to run under both Windows 98 and future versions of Windows NT using the same driver.

? Improved system-wide robustness and "cleanup" after an application or driver fails. This delivers a more stable and reliable operating environment.

? A dynamic hardware and environment configuration, which reduces the need for users to adjust and restart their systems manually.

of course I'm sure you'll say its a microsoft conspiracy

If you must insist on making a point, do a little research before you make yourself look like a total idiot. Pointing us to a forum post is not proof, a technical architecture document from Microsoft is!

and btw...finding that took less than 30 seconds

Ouch dude. Who told you to bring a Nuclear Bomb to the schoolyard fight?

We're picking on POS link19 because it's fun watching him get riled up and squirm, not because the debate actually needs to be settled.

f'n meanie pants. You better not have just ruined this thread.

edited for thoroughness of pwnage.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: Canterwood

Originally posted by: POS Link9x
They are POS opertaing systems. Enough said.

Link9x, you are a POS troll! Enough said.

a Point of Sale troll??? what is that?

Eureka! Link19 fails the Touring test. He is actually a Point of Sale device running Windows Mobile. No wonder he hates Windows 9x!