Windows Mojavet

[tuteja1986]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1386...news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

"
Spurred by an e-mail from someone deep in the marketing ranks, Microsoft last week traveled to San Francisco, rounding up Windows XP users who had negative impressions of Vista. The subjects were put on video, asked about their Vista impressions, and then shown a "new" operating system, code-named Mojave. More than 90 percent gave positive feedback on what they saw. Then they were told that "Mojave" was actually Windows Vista.

"Oh wow," said one user, eliciting exactly the exclamation that Microsoft had hoped to garner when it first released the operating system more than 18 months ago. Instead, the operating system got mixed reviews and criticisms for its lack of compatibility and other headaches
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lol pawned !

Not video related, punting to Operating Systems

-ViRGE

 

[geoffry]

I seen this on TR, it didnt surprise me one bit.

Vista bashing is almost as popular as George W Bush bashing, lol.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: geoffry
I seen this on TR, it didnt surprise me one bit.

Vista bashing is almost as popular as George W Bush bashing, lol.

QFT.

 

[Aberforth]

I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

 

[badnewcastle]

LOL!!!! :beer:

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

Yep, those AAPL ads definitely can swing non enthusiasts.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Funny. It's like a neighbor of ours who works for Comcast and considers herself to be some kind of elite computer user. When we got on the topic and I mentioned I ran Vista instead of XP, she scoffed and called me a newbie.

...I just :roll:ed

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

I wouldnt give apple that much credit. People arent stupid, the vast majority of people know well enough to take a competitors claims in a commercial with more than a few grains of salt. Vista bashing was just as strong if not stronger before those apple ads came out - people were annoyed with vista because of its quirks, not because it wasnt OS X.

When you dont release a new OS for 6 years, this is what is going to happen. Especially with the internet, where a vocal minority can be VERY vocal. And then when it reaches a tipping point that the popular media jumps on it, its very hard to turn around - Sony has and continues to have issues with the PS3 just the same - both got off to a very bad start, whatever the reasons may be, fair or not.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

I wouldnt give apple that much credit. People arent stupid, the vast majority of people know well enough to take a competitors claims in a commercial with more than a few grains of salt. Vista bashing was just as strong if not stronger before those apple ads came out - people were annoyed with vista because of its quirks, not because it wasnt OS X.

When you dont release a new OS for 6 years, this is what is going to happen. Especially with the internet, where a vocal minority can be VERY vocal. And then when it reaches a tipping point that the popular media jumps on it, its very hard to turn around - Sony has and continues to have issues with the PS3 just the same - both got off to a very bad start, whatever the reasons may be, fair or not.

But the situation is like what goober said, people who have probably never touched it heard from some nerd friend that its crap(who in comparison does know their stuff but had a bad experience, ergo their opinion is seen as very important). They then tell everyone they know its crap cause they heard it from someone who "knows their stuff".

Those people that call Vista a resource hog are sort of correct it does use more resources than XP but I find on a modern system it is nothing incredible. On that note, how many people do you know tried installing OS X Leopard on a 3-4 year old system? I can guarantee that it would run pretty bad as well.

With ram being so very cheap, heavy CPU and GPU competition driving prices on these parts down very fast as well a good truly vista capable (good experience) system is very cheap right now.

 

[htne]

A lot of the people who are saying negative things about Vista have extensive experience with it, and would recognize it in a split-second, whether it was called "Vista" or "Mojave" or "Blue Moon". On the other hand, I'm sure there are many Vista-bashers who wouldn't recognize Vista if it bit them on the leg.

On the other hand, anyone who bashes "W" can't be all bad ...... (running for cover...)

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: htne
A lot of the people who are saying negative things about Vista have extensive experience with it, and would recognize it in a split-second, whether it was called "Vista" or "Mojave" or "Blue Moon". On the other hand, I'm sure there are many Vista-bashers who wouldn't recognize Vista if it bit them on the leg.

On the other hand, anyone who bashes "W" can't be all bad ...... (running for cover...)

Ya, I would imagine lots of people do have lots of experience with it.

Ive been using it since Beta 2...at that point it was ok, RC 1 was pretty stable.

But since release I havent had one problem with it.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

I wouldnt give apple that much credit. People arent stupid, the vast majority of people know well enough to take a competitors claims in a commercial with more than a few grains of salt. Vista bashing was just as strong if not stronger before those apple ads came out - people were annoyed with vista because of its quirks, not because it wasnt OS X.

When you dont release a new OS for 6 years, this is what is going to happen. Especially with the internet, where a vocal minority can be VERY vocal. And then when it reaches a tipping point that the popular media jumps on it, its very hard to turn around - Sony has and continues to have issues with the PS3 just the same - both got off to a very bad start, whatever the reasons may be, fair or not.

But the situation is like what goober said, people who have probably never touched it heard from some nerd friend that its crap(who in comparison does know their stuff but had a bad experience, ergo their opinion is seen as very important). They then tell everyone they know its crap cause they heard it from someone who "knows their stuff".

Those people that call Vista a resource hog are sort of correct it does use more resources than XP but I find on a modern system it is nothing incredible. On that note, how many people do you know tried installing OS X Leopard on a 3-4 year old system? I can guarantee that it would run pretty bad as well.

With ram being so very cheap, heavy CPU and GPU competition driving prices on these parts down very fast as well a good truly vista capable (good experience) system is very cheap right now.

Oh, absolutely. I'm the only person I know in RL that actually thinks vista is good, and I'm also the only person I know in RL that knows enough about computers to actually know why. From when it came out up until now, I'm still hearing negative things from people.

I had a completely computer illiterate friend (friend X) who bought a new Vista PC, and immediately installed XP on it, before even trying Vista. "Why", I asked? "I heard it was bad." "Whatever floats your boat."

I then had another a bit less computer literate friend tell me a few months later how he was going to buy a PC, but didnt want to deal with buying a new PC and then being forced to install XP on it. "Why would you do that?" I asked. His reply "Isnt Vista bad? Thats what friend X told me." I reply "No, its fine on that hardware". "Are you sure?" "Yes, very. Who are you gonna believe?" "I dunno...."

An older, even less computer literate person at work was about to get a new PC. She asked me if I knew where to get a PC with XP on it. So of course I say, "Why would you want to do that? Get one with Vista." "Oh, so you think its good? (in a very surprised tone)." "Yeah, its much better than XP." "Really? Everyone says it sucks." "It doesnt" "Oh." (at least she listened in the end, and he's quite happy with it )

etc, etc Word of mouth really spreads. Apple attacks them outright, sure, but it dont think it accounts for more than a shred of the ill will it has against it. Normally people ask me what kind of computer to get, but Vista has such a bad reputation that it was a foregone conclusion to get XP, they knew well enough not to even ask that, apparently.

The biggest mistake MS made was to let people buy Vista at retail before they've been preloading it on PCs for months.

 

[Snapster]

Originally posted by: htne
A lot of the people who are saying negative things about Vista have extensive experience with it, and would recognize it in a split-second, whether it was called "Vista" or "Mojave" or "Blue Moon". On the other hand, I'm sure there are many Vista-bashers who wouldn't recognize Vista if it bit them on the leg.

On the other hand, anyone who bashes "W" can't be all bad ...... (running for cover...)

I would say a majority of the people who have negative things to say about Vista are the ones who don't have extensive experience with Vista and give up within a week because of a driver or misconfiguration. Should it be better, yes but certainly not as bad press as people have given it. Sometimes I'd love to force those users to use XP vanilla or Windows Me and see how they fair instead.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Snapster

Originally posted by: htne
A lot of the people who are saying negative things about Vista have extensive experience with it, and would recognize it in a split-second, whether it was called "Vista" or "Mojave" or "Blue Moon". On the other hand, I'm sure there are many Vista-bashers who wouldn't recognize Vista if it bit them on the leg.

On the other hand, anyone who bashes "W" can't be all bad ...... (running for cover...)

I would say a majority of the people who have negative things to say about Vista are the ones who don't have extensive experience with Vista and give up within a week because of a driver or misconfiguration. Should it be better, yes but certainly not as bad press as people have given it. Sometimes I'd love to force those users to use XP vanilla or Windows Me and see how they fair instead.

Good point. People forget that XP pre SP1 and 2 had its share of issues and often judge Vista based on their experiences with an install of XP that has had more than 5 years of tweaking and updates and patches.

 

[mc866]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Snapster

Originally posted by: htne
A lot of the people who are saying negative things about Vista have extensive experience with it, and would recognize it in a split-second, whether it was called "Vista" or "Mojave" or "Blue Moon". On the other hand, I'm sure there are many Vista-bashers who wouldn't recognize Vista if it bit them on the leg.

On the other hand, anyone who bashes "W" can't be all bad ...... (running for cover...)

I would say a majority of the people who have negative things to say about Vista are the ones who don't have extensive experience with Vista and give up within a week because of a driver or misconfiguration. Should it be better, yes but certainly not as bad press as people have given it. Sometimes I'd love to force those users to use XP vanilla or Windows Me and see how they fair instead.

Good point. People forget that XP pre SP1 and 2 had it's share of issues and often judge Vista based on their experiences with an install of XP that has had more than 5 years of tweaking and updates and patches.

I completely agree, think of all the issues ME had, I had a Dell with ME preinstalled and the machine couldn't go a full day without rebooting. That and XP had plenty of issues early on, remember how much SP1 &2 were anticipated? Also I find it interesting that all of these people had negative impressions of Vista but when they were set in front of it they didn't recognize it? Just like others have said many people just go with what they hear or read on the internets rather than giving it a try and forming their own opinion. I've been using Vista for well over a year now and the only issues I had were related to manufacturer's dragging their feet on releasing Vista drivers, which is where I think a lot of the negative press stems from but this isn't MS's issue and some people don't seem to understand that.

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I think those MAC AD's and Steve Job keynotes are the main reasons for Vista bashing. When you look back XP had more bugs and it is patched with 1800 hot fixes? Is it really worth patching? No. I think MS deserved more credit for vista than XP, they fixed a lot of issues, their OS is much secure and other cool optimizations. 30% of vista issues are from Nvidia products but MS takes the blame all the time. its not fair.

Ya, the Vista bashing gets old :roll:
But the NV bashing just seems to go on and on

 

[Bateluer]

Thats hilarious.

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: geoffry
I seen this on TR, it didnt surprise me one bit.

Vista bashing is almost as popular as George W Bush bashing, lol.

Well, Vista hasn't murdered anyone yet. Give it some time...

 

[Aberforth]

ok now MS has launched a site: http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
ok now MS has launched a site: http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/

Gotta love those marketing folks

 

[LumbergTech]

seems like a stupid gimmick to me

how did they select these people to be the ones who would be part of the experiment?

i hate vista, and its because its pointless

and honestly it just feels clunky to me simple navigation is annoying

i dont get the smooth feeling that i get from xp OR THE APPLE OS..(AND I HATE apple as a company)

it takes more memory (for absolutely no benefit)

one could argue that the interface is nicer but thats highly subjective

why dont YOU tell me what is good about vista over XP

the only thing i can think of is the over 3gb of ram issue

which wont REALLY be an issue until probably around when the new microsoft OS comes out

i would like to point out that i have a core 2 duo @ 3.2 ghz 8800gt and 4gb (3gb due to limitation) of ram

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

why dont YOU tell me what is good about vista over XP

One word: Security

PC World : Vista's Despised UAC Nails Rootkits, Tests Find

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

why dont YOU tell me what is good about vista over XP

Apparently you haven't used Vista for long enough to see how it shines.

Here are the reasons I like it:

1) New Driver model. If a driver crashes, it can be restarted without a blue screen. Age of Conan crashed my Nvidia driver about every 20 minutes. But the driver would just be reloaded by Vista automatically and the game would continue. Everytime it crashed it would stutter for about 5 seconds. But its better than having to reboot the machine.

2) More fine tuned control panel. Did you ever want to turn Autoplay off on Xp? Did you ever find a switch to do it (without downloading a program or doing a registry hack)? Vista has more options in the control panel, for many things which I could not control in XP by default.

3) Security. A virus found me on a website one day. It did something to my internet explorer to do some sort of memory corruption, it even changed all my settings in my IE liked removed the address bar put up a bunch of frames and other funky things. However, Security alerts and UAC detected it, warned me, shutdown the website/offending code, and to my suprise, when I reloaded IE, it acted like nothing happened.

4) I have 4 gigs of RAM. 64 bit helps.

5) The user interface is much better (in my opinion)

6) Chess Titans

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

why dont YOU tell me what is good about vista over XP

Apparently you haven't used Vista for long enough to see how it shines.

Here are the reasons I like it:

1) New Driver model. If a driver crashes, it can be restarted without a blue screen. Age of Conan crashed my Nvidia driver about every 20 minutes. But the driver would just be reloaded by Vista automatically and the game would continue. Everytime it crashed it would stutter for about 5 seconds. But its better than having to reboot the machine.

2) More fine tuned control panel. Did you ever want to turn Autoplay off on Xp? Did you ever find a switch to do it (without downloading a program or doing a registry hack)? Vista has more options in the control panel, for many things which I could not control in XP by default.

3) Security. A virus found me on a website one day. It did something to my internet explorer to do some sort of memory corruption, it even changed all my settings in my IE liked removed the address bar put up a bunch of frames and other funky things. However, Security alerts and UAC detected it, warned me, shutdown the website/offending code, and to my suprise, when I reloaded IE, it acted like nothing happened.

4) I have 4 gigs of RAM. 64 bit helps.

5) The user interface is much better (in my opinion)

6) Chess Titans

You forgot the new Task Manager. It gives much more usable information. It's almost worth the cost of Vista by itself.

 

[hans030390]

Not everyone who bashes Vista hasn't used it. It's just that the people who HAVE used it, generally ran into specific little problems (for example, printer related and other things a big majority of people won't have to deal with) and then decided that because of one or a few specific, only-related-to-them-and-a-few-others problem, Vista "sucks".

Or they have outdated hardware.

Or they just don't know how, or take the time, to properly take care of Windows (regular cleanings, defragmenting, various tweaks that help performance, virus/spyware scanning, etc).

Once you get over any specific issues that you might encounter, Vista's really pretty good. Better than XP, I think. Sure it wasn't the BEST at first, but neither was XP when it came out (I don't think, at least).

Of course, it's not for everyone. It has some more incompatibilities (especially 64-bit, which is installed on most, if not all, 4GB systems you can buy from a store...so it's more available to the average user), and for what some people do, XP is a better option. But for most people, I'd say Vista is the way to go.