Windows Phone is Officially Dead

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Zaap

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I'd spin it a bit differently: it's that if you're going to follow Apple's business model, you have to actually follow its business model, and do it well. Windows Phone struggled in part because Microsoft wanted to have its cake and eat it too: it wanted the advantages of a closed ecosystem (high performance, timely updates, tight integration between devices) but it wanted to offer Windows-like variety by letting other manufacturers build their own devices and offer a bit of custom software. So you ended up with devices that didn't particularly please either camp. Windows phones weren't really open, but that multi-vendor strategy also meant that Microsoft could never really deliver a great self-contained experience. It had to accept a "lowest common denominator" spec list that limited what was possible.

You're definitely right about Microsoft's mindset toward Windows, though. One of Ballmer's big problems as CEO was that he was genuinely convinced everyone loved Windows as much as he did, and the selling point for Windows phones and Surface devices under his tenure frequently boiled down to "because it's Windows." No, Steve, most people use Windows only because it's what comes with the $300 Best Buy clearance special, or because it's what they need to play a new game; Windows by itself is only a selling point to a small group of people. And that seemed to excuse the company's unwillingness to play to its own strengths.
Spot on. Completely agree.

I still don't think it's too late for Microsoft to do a successful niche mobile device.

They could probably do a Surface Phone that would be a big seller. Of course it'd require a rethink of MS's approach to mobile, and have to compliment the surface while also being a great phone on its own. If it had a pen it could give the Note a run for its money.

But it'd take some major effort and MS would have to settle on just having a successful product...not being a dominant force in mobile. Something tells me they still aren't humble/realistic enough to realize that.
 

s44

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They could probably do a Surface Phone that would be a big seller.
No it wouldn't... unless you mean it would run Android. The moment has come and gone. Who would write apps for it?
 

Commodus

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They could probably do a Surface Phone that would be a big seller. Of course it'd require a rethink of MS's approach to mobile, and have to compliment the surface while also being a great phone on its own. If it had a pen it could give the Note a run for its money.

But it'd take some major effort and MS would have to settle on just having a successful product...not being a dominant force in mobile. Something tells me they still aren't humble/realistic enough to realize that.

The issue is that Microsoft would need an app ecosystem for it, and reusing Windows Mobile apps might not be enough. I'd almost rather see Microsoft make an Android phone with a custom launcher and special integration.
 

Zaap

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No it wouldn't... unless you mean it would run Android. The moment has come and gone. Who would write apps for it?
Maybe it would run Android... I have no idea. It's why I said it would require a complete re-think and a lot of work on MS's part.

The past, the present, sure thing, it's too late for MS in the mobile space. But the future? Who knows? I think a Surface Phone could work, but only if it was something designed purely with its audience in mind. As if the whole Windows Phone thing never happened. As a product built for users to want based on its own merits- not because MS is trying to exploit its desktop dominance.

I believe it's still possible. Likely? That's another story entirely.
 

Elixer

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Apparently, the 520 series & 720 CAN run android.

Gonna have to try it out and see.
 
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