Windows Vista Rules.

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Lifer
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After having used it for the past week or so, I'm now convinced that Vista is most definitely the sh*t, and everyone should consider upgrading. For some odd reason, they seem to be downplaying the performance and reliability aspects of it, and focusing on the flashy new UI - but under the hood is where all the important aspects are.

Vista does take up more memory than XP, but that memory is put to MUCH better use.

Superfetch - This is where the biggest gains are realized. I was skeptical at first myself. It claims to do keep track of what programs you use, when you use them, and always keep them in memory. It works. I used to leave certain programs open just to keep them resident in memory...no need for such a thing anymore. The programs I use the most are ALWAYS loading from main memory it seems, no matter when I close them.

Another big benefit - it won't flush your cache when you're idle and running system utilities. On XP, I set it up to run various things while I slept - backup, defrag, virus scans, torrents etc...every morning I'd wake up to a sluggish PC because the scanners and such completely took over the system cache. XP was simple - it just kept the last files read in cache, with no care as to where they're coming from.

Right now, I could walk away from my PC, set up a scan that would destroy the cache on XP, and since I'm idle, superfetch will know not to bother caching it, and I can come back at any time during it to a perfectly responsive system, where apps still seem to load straight from memory. This is good for those of us with plenty of ram, and even better for those with little. Even with 1gb of memory, it never felt like I hit the page file for no reason. Windows has NEVER been this responsive before.


Readyboost - Another feature I was skeptical of - but it works. Very well. There seems to be some confusion as to what it is. Some say its a disk cache. Some say its virtual memory. In reality, its both and then a little bit more. I got a 2gb OCZ drive in there.

In normal app usage, the amount of disk thrashing has gone down to pretty much zero. I rarely if ever heard the drive really kick in unless I'm loading something huge, or something that I rarely access. Flash is cheap, random access is ten times faster than a hard disk, and for the 20 bucks a 1-2gb drive would cost, there is absolutely no reason not to use it.

So if superfetch doesnt happen to have what you need, the readyboost cache likely does - and it'll almost always be faster than hitting the disk. Boots and wakeups are at least twice as fast with the cache, even though I rarely do either. For laptops with low memory, it will be a godsend.

But I wanted to really push both these features, so I loaded up oblivion. The game itself takes up massive amounts of ram. Running around the world forces loads of pretty much entirely random parts of the game.

Without the readyboost cache in, with 1gb of ram, it performed similarly to XP. Always had to hit the disk to load things, even if you just were there. Quitting the game and going back to the desktop resulted in a good 30-60 seconds of thrashing just to get things loaded back into memory. The game just demands so much memory that windows HAS to forsake everything else for it.

I formatted the USB stick, and made a new, clean cache. Popped the stick in.

1st load - I expected it to load at the same rate, but I was wrong - even with an empty cache, it was faster. I suppose it was a lot easier for it to write off to the flash drive to clear needed memory, than it was to hit the disk while simultaneously trying to load the game off the disk.

Walking around, it was a lot snappier than usual. Walking into new areas was sped up a bit, walking back to old areas was sped up a LOT. 1GB is barely enough for this game, but it felt like a lot more was in there with the cache. Not quite the same as having more RAM, but much better than hitting the page file.

Quit the game, and it reloaded the desktop also a hell of a lot faster. I then went out of my way to load just about every other app I had on the system, well over 1gb of stuff, and waited a good 15 mins, to make sure as little as possible of oblivion remained in the RAM cache, but should still be in the readyboost.

Reloading was then quite a bit faster, and the best part - walking to areas that I previously been to on the previous load was still accelerated...very cool stuff. Made the game a lot more playable.

When they come out with the internal, PCI express caches, I'm sure it'll be an even bigger difference.


Those two features alone are practically worth the price of entry...but there are a few other things that stick out to me as particularly awesome.

The new task scheduler - WAY improved over the old one. I used to have to time apps out through the night, giving each one enough time to finish. Now you can sequentially schedule a list of actions, set it to begin at a certain time of night. Can also prevent it from starting if you're not idle, and then kicking in when you do eventually leave.

So every night, I can effortlessly scheduled a restore point, backup, virus scan, disk check and defrag, in order, without ever having to worry about it cutting in on me if I'm still up that late. And if I do get up that late, itll back off until I'm done using it. And because it's not screwing with the disk cache, the system is still 100% responsive whether you cut it off, or use it the morning after.

Reliability and performance monitor - It's like the task manager we wish we always had. Instead of staring at it, trying to judge what is using the most CPU etc, it can measure out average CPU over 60 seconds, tell you which app is hitting the disk the hardest, which app is clogging your internet, and which app is hogging memory etc...it's quite useful.

The reliability monitor aspect keeps track of all the bad stuff that happens. Much easier than digging through the event log, and a good portion of the stuff that seems to always crash (X-fi drivers), I was completely unaware of, as it took care of it without bothering me...which is also quite excellent.

Other features that deserve mention:

The low priority I/O does work well - I ran a manual defrag and scan while I was using it, and while it did drag a bit, it dragged much less than it would have on XP.

The sidebar widgets are pretty good, and seem to use far less memory and CPU than yahoo widgets do.

The games manager is definitely a step up from treating games like regular apps.

Built in disk imaging is sweet.

And I do dig the new UI - the glassy windows are nice, the new explorer is very good (favorites bar rules), and its no slower than XP in any way.

The photo manager is a good alternative to just using explorer as well.


I could care less about the new built in apps. Thats not what vista is about for me, and probably won't be for most people here. But if you're thinking of skipping vista cause you think it will be slower than XP, you're pretty much dead wrong. Nearly anything that does take up more resources can be disabled, as well as anything annoying (UAC and security center can go to hell), and the built in enhancements more than make up for it. I'm impressed.
 

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What are you system specs? Every build and every machine that I've tested it on has been very sluggish.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: jst0ney
What are you system specs? Every build and every machine that I've tested it on has been very sluggish.

Pretty modest. P4 3.0ghz, 7600gt, 7200rpm seagate.

Had it running with both 1gb and 2gb of ram, and aside from playing memory intensive games, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. It was perfectly snappy either way.

The first few hours did seem a little more sluggish than it's been recently. It had to build up the index, which didnt take very long, and the low priority IO did seem to manage it a bit well. Havent seen the indexer come on in days now that it's finished it's initial run. And now that superfetch has an idea of what apps I use most, they always seem to be ready and waiting.

It seems to use a bit more memory than XP (maybe 100mb more or so), but thats fairly inconsequential since it manages it a hell of a lot better, and a $20 flash drive goes a long way towards making that difference up. I wouldn't hesitate to put it on 1gb system, and as long as you have a readyboost cache of at least 1gb, I probably wouldnt hesitate to put it on a 512mb system...but I havent tried so I cant say for sure.

But you can always disable the 3d windows, indexer, new explorer features etc if they really bother you, then mem usage doesnt seem to use much more than XP, while retaining the under the hood benefits.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: jst0ney
What are you system specs? Every build and every machine that I've tested it on has been very sluggish.

Including the gold builds? I have ultimate on just about every machine in the house now (save my work laptop and my nanny's laptop) and it feels faster than xp in most regards (biggest difference I see if going back to the welcome screen to change accounts, that does seem much slower, everything else seems much faster)
 

err

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well let me add a few more to the OP's list

1. Superb backup utility. Easily backup to usb drives, network drives, dvd-r, etc. Definitely a total revamp of old windows backup

2. Remember the times when you copy a huge folder with thousands of files? and it actually locks the folder? You can now actually rename the folder WHILE it is copying. Definitely very2 nice feature. Not locking stuffs as much

3. Did the OP mentioned the new start menu? find your apps more faster than ever.

4. Windows firewall. one word. "WOW". Extremely flexible and excellent for firewall techno geek like me.

5. I agree with OP's view on performance monitor. Excellento

6. Previous version (shadow copy) is now integrated with system restore. Recover your previous file version easily with Vista. This feature orginally came with Win2k3 server, but now passed down to Vista without the need of having Win2k3 in your network.

I have to say that vista is a hardware hog especially with aero. I am running it on XP 3500, 2GB ram, 6600GT and it doesn't feel comfortable and fast.

I also run it on p4 1.6ghz, 1gb ram, 64 mb shared memory and it is definitely a pain.

My laptop running Pentium M 1.6 Ghz, 1.26GB ram, 64 mb shared memory is a bare minimum without aero.

err

 

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I'm running 32-bit....I really see no point whatsoever in going x64 at this time.
 

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Originally posted by: err
well let me add a few more to the OP's list

1. Superb backup utility. Easily backup to usb drives, network drives, dvd-r, etc. Definitely a total revamp of old windows backup

2. Remember the times when you copy a huge folder with thousands of files? and it actually locks the folder? You can now actually rename the folder WHILE it is copying. Definitely very2 nice feature. Not locking stuffs as much

3. Did the OP mentioned the new start menu? find your apps more faster than ever.

4. Windows firewall. one word. "WOW". Extremely flexible and excellent for firewall techno geek like me.

5. I agree with OP's view on performance monitor. Excellento

6. Previous version (shadow copy) is now integrated with system restore. Recover your previous file version easily with Vista. This feature orginally came with Win2k3 server, but now passed down to Vista without the need of having Win2k3 in your network.

I have to say that vista is a hardware hog especially with aero. I am running it on XP 3500, 2GB ram, 6600GT and it doesn't feel comfortable and fast.

I also run it on p4 1.6ghz, 1gb ram, 64 mb shared memory and it is definitely a pain.

My laptop running Pentium M 1.6 Ghz, 1.26GB ram, 64 mb shared memory is a bare minimum without aero.

err

Are you running the final version? The betas were def a bit slower. What apps are you running that you're finding it slow?

One thing about the new explorer I forget to mention, that makes you scratch your head about why it took them this long to figure something so simple out - if you copy a file with the same name, you now have three choices - don't copy, overwrite, and finally...automatic rename, so you can keep both.

System restore also seems improved...for once I don't want to turn it off.

The new backup utility is good, but the synctoy floating around is still my favorite for backing up actual files.

The firewall seems good, but I don't bother running one...thats what my router is for.
 

Xyclone

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I am running the Vista RTM (mom is MSDN subscriber). Everything is good... until I try to run BF2. Vista gamers need 2GB of ram minimum IMO.
 

BoboKatt

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Ok a dumb question -- I also signed up a while back on the Microsoft site and got to download a few versions. I currently don't have the final. Anyhow I tried with 3 different USB sticks (all were 2 GIG versions) and none of them were "supported" for the Readyboost.

I thought the concept was a brilliant idea and especially when you are using games or apps that require an insane amount of RAM. I would normally just add 2 more GIGS or RAM to my system but populating my mobo with 4 sticks has always causes me more headaches than not.

I currently have an OCZ Rally-2 dual Channel (2 GIG) and 2 Corsair flash Voyager (both 2 GIG).
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=9221
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=5579


None of these worked for it. Is there a compatibility site that lists which USB sticks work?

I actually paid more for the OCZ 2 thinking it would benefit from being faster and none meet the specs. Sigh.

Anyhow I hope that all the versions (from the least expensive to the Ultimate) wont show any performance difference between them. I don?t need all the features of Ultimate? so I hope you don?t have to pay large to get the best performance for simply computer use.


EDIT: cough I migth be even dumber today but do you actually have to format your flash device? I simply connected it and Vista told me the devices were not compatible
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: BoboKatt
Ok a dumb question -- I also signed up a while back on the Microsoft site and got to download a few versions. I currently don't have the final. Anyhow I tried with 3 different USB sticks (all were 2 GIG versions) and none of them were "supported" for the Readyboost.

I thought the concept was a brilliant idea and especially when you are using games or apps that require an insane amount of RAM. I would normally just add 2 more GIGS or RAM to my system but populating my mobo with 4 sticks has always causes me more headaches than not.

I currently have an OCZ Rally-2 dual Channel (2 GIG) and 2 Corsair flash Voyager (both 2 GIG).
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=9221
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=5579


None of these worked for it. Is there a compatibility site that lists which USB sticks work?

I actually paid more for the OCZ 2 thinking it would benefit from being faster and none meet the specs. Sigh.

Anyhow I hope that all the versions (from the least expensive to the Ultimate) wont show any performance difference between them. I don?t need all the features of Ultimate? so I hope you don?t have to pay large to get the best performance for simply computer use.

EDIT: cough I migth be even dumber today but do you actually have to format your flash device? I simply connected it and Vista told me the devices were not compatible

I'm using the exact same OCZ drive, and it works. Maybe yours is a different revision or something. It should come preformatted out of the box, but I found that formatting it NTFS and 4096 block size showed the best performanc by a slight margin - give that a try. And make sure you're running it offa usb 2 port.

The sequential write speed is insane on those sticks, the random not so hot, and it just barely passes for me. I suppose I got duped as I figured seq speed = random speed on a flash drive. But I'm sure when it comes out in retail, there will be plenty of drives that are optimized specifically for it - I think corsair has one called turboflash already.

It's still not a replacement for ram - if you're expecting a 1gb flash to substitute for 1gb of ram its not quite the same, but its still mostly better than hitting the disk, and it's so cheap theres no good reason not to use it.

As far as perf differences between the diff types, out of the box, there might be some, since higher version have more features. But it's all optional stuff that can be disabled. The core performance enhancements are in every version.

You really shouldnt judge the overall speed of vista based on either the beta, RC or the first day or so of the final. It needs a little time to get through the initial index, and get into the groove of superfetch. While a single app here or there might run a bit slower, the average system responsiveness over time (as long as you have 1gb ram) is much better.

The biggest problem right now is drivers - the ones available for geforce board and creative cards are very lacking. A few random apps don't work right due to the new interface, but you can always drop it down.

I've also found that setting a game to run in above normal priority, and having it turn off the 3d aero provides a slight boost. In fact, the new games explorer has a sweet feature - you can set several different launch shortcuts for each game from a drop down menu.

A few things I can't stand, that there's no way around:

You cant pull the quick launch bar off the taskbar anymore.
The new explorer doesnt work quite as well for some save dialogs.
No directsound 3d acceleration.
File associations seem to not stick as well as they should.
Many of the system utilities have a set it and forget it attitude - you don't even get a progress bar in defrag any more. I'd also like to know EXACTLY what is going on with superfetch and readyboost, and have to option to configure it more precisely to my specific needs, but I suppose it works well enough already.

 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: BoboKatt
Ok a dumb question -- I also signed up a while back on the Microsoft site and got to download a few versions. I currently don't have the final. Anyhow I tried with 3 different USB sticks (all were 2 GIG versions) and none of them were "supported" for the Readyboost.

I thought the concept was a brilliant idea and especially when you are using games or apps that require an insane amount of RAM. I would normally just add 2 more GIGS or RAM to my system but populating my mobo with 4 sticks has always causes me more headaches than not.

I currently have an OCZ Rally-2 dual Channel (2 GIG) and 2 Corsair flash Voyager (both 2 GIG).
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=9221
http://www.pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?prod...86&product_types_id=36&product_id=5579


None of these worked for it. Is there a compatibility site that lists which USB sticks work?

I actually paid more for the OCZ 2 thinking it would benefit from being faster and none meet the specs. Sigh.

Anyhow I hope that all the versions (from the least expensive to the Ultimate) wont show any performance difference between them. I don?t need all the features of Ultimate? so I hope you don?t have to pay large to get the best performance for simply computer use.


EDIT: cough I migth be even dumber today but do you actually have to format your flash device? I simply connected it and Vista told me the devices were not compatible

I've gone thru a bunch of sticks, none work for ReadyBoost for me. However, you should start seeing 'Readyboost compatible' stickers on compatible sticks as we get closer to vista launch.
 

Smilin

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Yeah, readyboost is REALLY picky but if you think about it that makes sense.

It needs very fast sustained random I/O speeds to work. Most manufacturers advertise the max sequential burst speed.




In regard to the OP:
Yep I'm digging it. It takes some heavy hardware but if you give it what it wants it runs very fast compared to previous versions on the same hardware. You also have to give it a few days to "move in", index your drives, and figure out some of your usage patterns.

Give it about a month and you'll start getting annoyed when you have to work on an old XP box.
 

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I managed to nab the HP DV6103nr deal on BF with the T1350 Core Solo (1.86Ghz, 2MB, 533Mhz), 512MB, GMA950 and 80GB. If I upgraded to 1GB of memory and used a 1GB SD drive for ReadyBoost would I have a chance at running Vista with Aero off?

I'm super excited and just pissed that I haven't been able to get a copy yet.
 

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Originally posted by: InlineFive
I managed to nab the HP DV6103nr deal on BF with the T1350 Core Solo (1.86Ghz, 2MB, 533Mhz), 512MB, GMA950 and 80GB. If I upgraded to 1GB of memory and used a 1GB SD drive for ReadyBoost would I have a chance at running Vista with Aero off?

I'm super excited and just pissed that I haven't been able to get a copy yet.

Unless you're gaming, you can run vista just fine with 1gb of ram with aero on. Even with that *supposedly* borderline config, it ran better than XP for general office/web surfing. Readyboost will make it even better.

Like others have said, don't judge the performance based on the first day or two, or a single app. Let it finish indexing, and understand your usage patterns first. I think a lot of people are loading it up and getting immediately discouraged.

It's a bit more unpredictable than XP, but you just have to trust it. It takes care of a lot of business when you're idle - precaching superfetch stuff, defragging, indexing etc. So it might make you wonder if something is wrong when it starts thrashing away even when you're not sitting at it, but it's just doing it's thing.
 

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I ran various builds from the first public betas through RC2 x64, which I kept installed for over a month, but finally wiped due to driver incompatibilities. The X2 system linked from my sig ran it fairly well, so if the RTM version is better, I can't wait to discover its performance. Hopefully NVIDIA will have done some driver optimizations by then, because a Geforce 6600 128MB wasn't quite enough for much multitasking at 1600x1200 with RC2 drivers.
 

bsobel

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Somewhat replying to myself, if you Froogle for 'ReadyBoost' you'll start seeing drives specifically marked as "Vista ReadyBoost' capable. I just ordered a few so I can finally play with it on few of the rigs.
 

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Sounds good, I'll probibly give it a shot once the 8800 drivers hit.

One question though, or rather a clarification. The 32bit Vista still has the 3gb Memory access limitation correct ? I only ask, as I really want to goto 4gb this year, I multitask quite a bit.

TYIA
 

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Is there a way to install Vista without having it destroy your master boot record (instead it will just write a boot sector to its partition)? I'm dual booting XP and Ubuntu and I have no idea how I'm going to install Vista. Reinstalling XP or Ubuntu is really not an option, but I can usually fix Ubuntu. Are there any other quirks I should know about before I try installing it on a machine with foreign OSes and foreign partition types that I do not wish to harm in any way?
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: Yreka
Sounds good, I'll probibly give it a shot once the 8800 drivers hit.
One question though, or rather a clarification. The 32bit Vista still has the 3gb Memory access limitation correct ? I only ask, as I really want to goto 4gb this year, I multitask quite a bit.
TYIA

I think what your asking is, if you install 4gig of physical memory will all of it be available on your 32bit OS (since the answer is system dependant and can vary from 2.5 gig to 3.8gigish).

If so, the answer is no, it's not an XP limitation, it's a limitation of the hardware architecture on the 32bit platform. To truely use all the memory you'll need to go 64bit.
 

Yreka

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That was it, thanks. Will probibly wait and see how the 64bit pans out then.
 

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I concur with the original poster's impressions of Vista, mostly anyhow.

Multitasking has seen an incredible improvement with Vista. It's just so much smoother. Not so big on the readyboost though. Tried it on my laptop with a built in SD card reader and a 4GB card, and though it seemed to keep cpu utilization down, it didn't really perform better than the 4200rpm harddrive my laptop had. (that said, sd card readers are typically slow, I was only able to meet the bare minimum performance for readyboost by formatting the card as NTFS)

I'm excited about the Games for Vista approach, but think it needs quite a bit more support. Native xbox 360 controller support is nice, and it wouldn't be bad if they threw in single system multiplayer as well. About time microsoft remembers what platform feeds them. They don't have to pay a cent for the hardware, make a killing off the software (sometimes more than once), and now get to provide us with high priced peripherals, so hopefully pc gaming will see a boost from this. IMO, real support for PC gaming can't be a bad thing with how expensive it is to develop games these days.

Don't like the Windows Sidebar, it's a major performance hog (cpu time and memory) for the little benefit it provides.
The 3d UI is disappointing. Doesn't really add to the OS in any major way, it missing some type of dynamic scaling feature (where's the vector based text?!) and while I haven't used Macs enough to see any usable benefit from their approach over Vista (though I've probably put in a dozen or so hours on macs), it is clearly inferior to the stuff currently being done on linux. 5 minutes of using a current Linux distro and I could see the benefits of using their 3d gui, on Vista I've yet to see how it adds anything I'd want. It's faster/more responsive than xp's 2d gui, but it's not flashy or cool and doesn't add much in the way of usability. (though it's cool to have animated thumbnails of open windows rather than just static icons that don't represent what's actually in the pane)

However, on all 3 systems I've run vista on, I prefer it to XP. I've run it on my x41 tablet (1.5ghz pentium m, intel gma900, 1.5GB memory) and it was sluggish, but it handled the tough spots better than xp. Whereas xp could come to a grinding hault on a machine with such a slow processor and harddrive (4200rpm) vista's memory hogginess (which the mac os also has, and linux may as well) kept it from really ever lagging up as badly as xp. In addition, tablet PC functionality is much improved, though I never really used it.
On the downside, Vista's indexer service is too overaggressive, and killed my harddrive by constantly accessing it. Hitachi harddrives suck though, and the tablet pc's harddrive wasn't really made for continous access like that (despite being put in that situation).

I also ran it on an athlon xp 3200+ system with an x800xt and 1.25GB of ram and a 7200RPM western digital harddrive. Ran pretty good, but still seemed to be lacking in performance at times, though this was back when it was still on RC1 and mostly just on beta 2, so rc2 may have improved significantly. Sidebar had crappy performance, but I still preferred the system to xp, and immediately disabled the sidebar.

Just got a Core 2 Duo e6300 system, 2GB of ram, and a x1950xt with a 7200RPM seagate harddrive, and RC2 runs fantastic, no hangups at all and better than xp could ever dream of running under any noticable circumstance. Immediately disabled the sidebar, just out of prior experience (the sidebar hurt performance, generally took up a significant amount of cpu time, and several hundred megs of memory) and a lack of need for the currently weak widgets. I do hope DX10 comes out sometime soon (along with DX10 supporting graphics cards), since it'd be nice to be able to swap out of games as fast as you can swap between windows. DX10 is supposed to bring that right? As of now, Vista handles minimizing games and exiting them more gracefully than XP, but not much.


Of course, the worst part of Vista is going to be price. Vista is insanely expensive, and I don't like the way Microsoft has segmented the different versions by relatively minimal feature differences. If MS thinks they can charge $400 for Ultimate, they better add some fantastic functionality to remote desktop connection, like being able to connect from any XP computer no matter the restrictions on it (since it's just displaying an app and not modifying anything on itself) or possibly even streaming games and movies.
 
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