Windows Vista Rules.

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Vram existed for much older cards. It was used in Voodoo cards way back during the dino period.

Both Voodoo Graphics and Voodoo2 used EDO for it's VRAM.

Quoted from Crucial(they make memory sticks, and are owned by Micron who makes the chips, so they should know).

Video RAM. DRAM with an on-board serial register/serial access memory designed for video applications.

Linky

Ah, alright. So that's how they define it.

Since GDDR is a form of DRAM, then that other guy would be right by default; but not by what he's actually claiming he's right by. However, I did say we were both right. I'm not really sure what he's trying to argue about now...

I wish people would actually respond much like you did. You quoted the facts and gave a link instead of saying. "You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong!" Thank you.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: BD2003

LOL...don't act as if you are too good for the thread. The ONLY thing you have proven is that 90% of what you spout is wrong, and the other 10% are irrelevant tangents that you are forced to go on because its the only way you can deflect being wrong. You leave in shame, not honor. You could have taken this time to learn something, but youre the kind of hardheaded sophist douche that is more concerned about appearing to know what they're talking about, than actually knowing.

You don't have to like vista if you don't want to. But don't spread bullsh*t and lies in a public forum and expect people not to notice.

What makes your post funny is that you're doing the same thing the other guys did. You are arguing with no basis whatsoever. You say I'm wrong, but have no proof to back it up. So, basically you're just moving your lips and sound just happens to be spewing forth from them.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Ah, alright. ICT. So, I'm wrong about ICT.

Other than your comment that the thread landscape hasn't changed, whats left to dispute. All of your other comments where shown to be as wrong as the downsampling one.

I'm still waiting to here your qualificaitons to say that I, McAfee, Sophos, Trend, Webroot and all the others are wrong about the malware motivation now primarily being monetary.

edit: 'primarily' was missing.

Still waiting for that resume...

As for:

What makes your post funny is that you're doing the same thing the other guys did. You are arguing with no basis whatsoever.

Every statement you originally made has shown to be false. There is enough links in the thread for everyone even people who are just catching up on it to realize. Thats why you have ZERO people backing you up. Heck YOUR OWN LINKS show you to be wrong, thats how pathetic this has been.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: BD2003

LOL...don't act as if you are too good for the thread. The ONLY thing you have proven is that 90% of what you spout is wrong, and the other 10% are irrelevant tangents that you are forced to go on because its the only way you can deflect being wrong. You leave in shame, not honor. You could have taken this time to learn something, but youre the kind of hardheaded sophist douche that is more concerned about appearing to know what they're talking about, than actually knowing.

You don't have to like vista if you don't want to. But don't spread bullsh*t and lies in a public forum and expect people not to notice.

What makes your post funny is that you're doing the same thing the other guys did. You are arguing with no basis whatsoever. You say I'm wrong, but have no proof to back it up. So, basically you're just moving your lips and sound just happens to be spewing forth from them.

The difference between me and you is that I'm right, and you're wrong. I've backed it up several times, and knocked down all the BS you showed. You're just too blind to see that, but considering your TOTAL lack of support, everyone else BUT YOU is not that blind.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: BD2003


The difference between me and you is that I'm right, and you're wrong. I've backed it up several times, and knocked down all the BS you showed. You're just too blind to see that, but considering your TOTAL lack of support, everyone else BUT YOU is not that blind.

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

 

[Nothinman]

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

I haven't spent the time to read all of the arguments back and forth and links in them, but you do come off like an uninformed tool from the little bit that I've read.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: BD2003


The difference between me and you is that I'm right, and you're wrong. I've backed it up several times, and knocked down all the BS you showed. You're just too blind to see that, but considering your TOTAL lack of support, everyone else BUT YOU is not that blind.

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

You know what? I've already done that. Several times. You just don't want to accept it, and you're just trolling.


I started this thread because I believe that Vista is the best version of Windows yet. From the first post, you've been almost completely off topic, and it's only gotten worse.

So here's an idea. Go start your own thread, and bash vista and MS all you want. There's nothing stopping you from doing this. Make up all the lies you want about it, have a total field day. Because your presence in this thread is pointless, and a waste of time for everyone. The entertainment value of pwning you and your lies/BS has grown thin.

Now begone.

 

[bsobel]

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

Using your anology, you've submitted your evidence to the jury as have I. The jury has found you guilty of ignorance.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

I haven't spent the time to read all of the arguments back and forth and links in them, but you do come off like an uninformed tool from the little bit that I've read.

Try reading the thread. You'll realize what's going on. What you're doing now is much like walking in the middle of a movie.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: BD2003


The difference between me and you is that I'm right, and you're wrong. I've backed it up several times, and knocked down all the BS you showed. You're just too blind to see that, but considering your TOTAL lack of support, everyone else BUT YOU is not that blind.

Who cares about everybody else. Where is your proof? You can't convict a man unless you have evidence to back up your theory. If you don't, then you're just babbling. Can't back up anything without proof.

You know what? I've already done that. Several times. You just don't want to accept it, and you're just trolling.

Ok... Where have you presented proof? Please show this to me.

 

[Mem]

I have just ordered Vista Home Premium 64 bit OEM version,only thing I'm expecting to have problems with is driver support in the early stages,(I have XP 32 bit version on my other 2 PCs so not a real problem).

I've also ordered a 4GB USB flash drive (ReadyBoost compatible).


Btw I read OEM release date is 12th Jan for Vista,which is about right since the website I ordered from are sending out orders from 12th onward.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Mem
I have just ordered Vista Home Premium 64 bit OEM version,only thing I'm expecting to have problems with is driver support in the early stages,(I have XP 32 bit version on my other 2 PCs so not a real problem).

I've also ordered a 4GB USB flash drive (ReadyBoost compatible).


Btw I read OEM release date is 12th Jan for Vista,which is about right since the website I ordered from are sending out orders from 12th onward.

Don't all versions come with 32bit and 64bit? I'd recommend against 64bit since it is going to be buggier and more incompatible than x86. Even though you got x86 on the other two computers, what do you hope to gain by going 64bit anyway? It hasn't proven itself to be any faster, nor to be noticible different in any other way.

Which flash drive did you order? Some drives that claim to be super fast aren't quite turning out so hot in random r/w speed.

 

[Nothinman]

Don't all versions come with 32bit and 64bit? I'd recommend against 64bit since it is going to be buggier and more incompatible than x86.

I doubt it would be buggier, but you will be at the mercy of your vendor's drivers and with the poor quality of the 32-bit drivers I wouldn't get my hopes up about the 64-bit ones being any better or even on par for a while.

Even though you got x86 on the other two computers, what do you hope to gain by going 64bit anyway? It hasn't proven itself to be any faster, nor to be noticible different in any other way.

But why not? If MS did their job 32-bit apps should 'just work' so with the 64-bit version you have the choice of running both but with the 32-bit version you don't. Of course that all hinges on the drivers actually being usable.

 

[Mem]

Don't all versions come with 32bit and 64bit? I'd recommend against 64bit since it is going to be buggier and more incompatible than x86. Even though you got x86 on the other two computers, what do you hope to gain by going 64bit anyway? It hasn't proven itself to be any faster, nor to be noticible different in any other way.

I always wanted to give 64 bit a try,besides it does have slightly better security support,also I don't have any legacy 16 bit programs I still play,have you read Paul Thurrott's review on Vista? .

As to buggier,depends really on what you mean,Pro's and Con's have been argued here in this OCUK thread. .

I think only OEM version come in stand alone versions,so if you order OEM you have to decide between 32 or 64 bit.

Looks like Microsoft are pushing hard for 64 bit driver support by only allowing Vista WHQL approval when companies send in both 32 and 64 bit Vista drivers for the hardware concerned .

 

[Mem]

This is the main difference in 64 bit version of Vista.

A number of Windows Vista security features will only be made available on x64 versions of the OS, the 64-bit versions of Windows Vista that run on newer AMD and Intel processors.

These include Kernel Patch Protection (sometimes called PatchGuard), which prevents hackers (and as it turns out, security companies and even Microsoft applications) from altering the Vista kernel at run-time; digitally signed drivers, which ensures that all hardware drivers used in x64 Vista versions are digitally signed and therefore of high quality and unlikely to be the cause of instability issues; and the removal of the 16-bit subsystem, which breaks compatibility with older applications but makes the overall system simpler and more reliable."

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[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Mem
This is the main difference in 64 bit version of Vista.

A number of Windows Vista security features will only be made available on x64 versions of the OS, the 64-bit versions of Windows Vista that run on newer AMD and Intel processors.

These include Kernel Patch Protection (sometimes called PatchGuard), which prevents hackers (and as it turns out, security companies and even Microsoft applications) from altering the Vista kernel at run-time; digitally signed drivers, which ensures that all hardware drivers used in x64 Vista versions are digitally signed and therefore of high quality and unlikely to be the cause of instability issues; and the removal of the 16-bit subsystem, which breaks compatibility with older applications but makes the overall system simpler and more reliable."

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Hmm, all worthy causes, but it stills seems as if it's more trouble than its worth at this point in time. Maybe a year or so down the road, when drivers are more mature, I'll feel differently. Cause right now, a lot of the 32bit drivers are buggy enough.

 

[Mem]

Hmm, all worthy causes, but it stills seems as if it's more trouble than its worth at this point in time. Maybe a year or so down the road, when drivers are more mature, I'll feel differently. Cause right now, a lot of the 32bit drivers are buggy enough.

I'll let you know how it goes .

Btw UK members that want to preorder ,go here.

 

[Mem]

Which flash drive did you order? Some drives that claim to be super fast aren't quite turning out so hot in random r/w speed.

BD2003 : Ordered a PEAK II Xtreme 200X USB 2.0 Flash Drive ,link. "Certificated by Microsoft and enhanced for Windows ReadyBoost.".

Also with the ones that are failing,some pass in NTFS mode.

Good guide site for ReadyBoost compatibility info go here .

 

[bsobel]

Ok... Where have you presented proof? Please show this to me.

What proof are you looking for? There aren't any issues (other than your qualificaitons to make security claims) open for debate.

First you said prefetch was old tech. Then we challenged you to show an OS doing it today. You said you were wrong and you'd give me that one.

Then you said that the DRM won't allow you to play HD content. You were then owned. You yourself said you didn't know about or understand the content protection settings on HD disks.

Then you said that Vista run the same old kernel as NT. Well, it's based on the NT kernel that is true. However there is lots of new fucntionality (including security functionality) that was built into XP and more so Windows. You said that Vista has the same problems as XP but only offered one year old exploit as backup. To be fair, while your wrong, we'll need a year of data to make the case. No evidence about the kernel security improvements are going to impress someone like you who doesn't understand security.

Then you said that new computers don't run pixel shader 2.0 decently. You said 'want to know how many NONE!'. We then owned you by pointing out most cards since late 04 and early 05 run pixel shader 2.0 fine and almost all of us are running Aero glass.

Then you said you can't upgrade from XP to Vista but rather you had to do a clean install. I don't know what evidence you want other than you should run the Vista setup program. But most of my Vista boxes are XP upgrades. You're wrong again.

Then you said you need 2 gigs of memory to play games. Well, I certainly am of the school that more memory is better. But I've not had problems playing games on 1gig Vista boxes (one HP media center which had 512 WAS sluggish after instal, so I added another 2gig to it). But you gave no benchmarks and no proof of your assertion. I have actually played games on both 1gig and 2gig boxes.

Then you said you can't get DX10 on XP. Your right. And you know what, it's not MS's job to provide free new functionality forever. I know we'd all like it if it was, but they are actually a business trying to create further shareholder value.

Then you said that the OS has 'everythig integrated with the kernel' while MS went thru alot to move stuff OUT of the kernel in Vista. A roadmap you'll continue to see. Trust me when I tell you this, I'm one of the folks MS specifically wants out of the kernel too

Then you said Vista isn't a server. Well, your thinking of longhorn server which is in closed beta. Vista is a desktop OS. If your talking about file and print serving, even the low memory boxes like that media center before the memory upgrade where fine with sharing. You claim you'll need 4 gig, but have offered no proof. I've tested a 512 config and it's fine.

You then ranted about MS having bugs in the past and do we they they'll change. Well, thats just an opinion. Obviously many of us have a different one than you.

Lasly you said there isn't a SINGLE FEATURE unique to Vista. You were owned there as well.

Also, we are still waiting for your resume. You have declared that the attacker motivation has not CHANGED AT ALL (your emphasis). I pointed out places where I, TrendMicro, McAfee, Sophos, Webroot, TrueSecure and most other vendors backed my statement. I asked for your qualifications so I can determine if your point of view has any data behind it or is just some highschool student continuing to rant.

Summary, you were owned.

Bill

 

[Sunner]

I'd say the fact that I'm arguing FOR Windows should be enough, considering I'm an OpenBSD/Linux/Solaris fan

 

[secretanchitman]

went back to xp...feels much snappier and theres a lot less lag IMO.

my specs are intel p4 2.4C @ 2.95Ghz, 2x1GB of PC4000 ram, 120GB WD and 300GB Seagate, 6600GT.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
went back to xp...feels much snappier and theres a lot less lag IMO.

my specs are intel p4 2.4C @ 2.95Ghz, 2x1GB of PC4000 ram, 120GB WD and 300GB Seagate, 6600GT.

Did you wait for a week?

 

[insomnio]

I'm currently running Vista in the 64 bit flavor, and truthfully, so far I cant complain. The little annoyances that come along with it, like the lil window that pops up everytime you open a program can be turned off, and I've only had 2 small issues. Media Player Classic doesnt play well with Aero and winamp has issues with Vista. All the drivers seem good and none of my games seem to have any problems. Granted, I'm only a few days into the install. But I'm actually kind of optimistic about this one.

Oh, another lil issue with Azureus, hopefully that'll get panned out eventually or I'll just switch.

 

[rajasekharan]

hi all....i am new to this forum.....

there is one thing i noticed here....all of you are super techy.....WOW.......

i have a humble question for you...here is the lisst of apps that i use in my system...
1.3ds max, maya
2.photoshop cs2
3.combustion
4.itunes, media player 11.
5.nero, perfect disk, avast, commodo

i have windows xp sp2 (pro) runnng ....so
1.how will i benifit from vista????
2. whats indexing???how will i benifit in my applications (maya and max)??
3.wil max and maya run faster???will rendering time decrease in vista???
4.i put "best performance " in xp for my applications...as vista has 3d its clear that it will use more ram and will make it less for my max and maya,
can i put it in classic mode and make use that for my applications???i heard there is some "dynamic allocation or so " thats with vista ...so does that mean even with aero i can use max and maya to its full potential....????

thats all i can think now.....to put it in short ....will i get benifit for my 3d applications in vista ???
in my institute they said i am better off with mac or linux for 3d apps ...is it true????

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
went back to xp...feels much snappier and theres a lot less lag IMO.

my specs are intel p4 2.4C @ 2.95Ghz, 2x1GB of PC4000 ram, 120GB WD and 300GB Seagate, 6600GT.

Agreed! Vista is the slowest Windows yet.