windows VISTA sharing questions

[ViviTheMage]

I hate windows sharing, it has allways been a pain. I finaly got XP to share perfectly between all 3 of my machines..now I put VISTA Ultimate 64 bit on 2 of them, and they cannot see any of the other machines.

They are pingable though...Sigh--where to start?

 

[JonnyBlaze]

right click on the little network icon near the clock. choose network and sharing center. turn on network discovery, file sharing and or public file sharing depending on what you need.

 

[ViviTheMage]

That is all on....but it still will not work.

hahaha, let me add that my XP machine sees my VISTA machine, and can access files.

But my VISTA machines cannot access the XP machine, nor the other VISTA machine.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Any ideas why XP can see and access all VISTA shares, but VISTA machines cannot?

 

[Scotteq]

So, if I understand it - XP can See Vista, and can Access the files you have set up for that.

Vista 'sees' but cannot access XP?


If so, then you need to go on your XP boxes and grant access to your Vista machine.

Basically, if you have 3 machines, that's 9 sets of settings... Each to every other.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Scotteq
So, if I understand it - XP can See Vista, and can Access the files you have set up for that.

Vista 'sees' but cannot access XP?


If so, then you need to go on your XP boxes and grant access to your Vista machine.

Basically, if you have 3 machines, that's 9 sets of settings... Each to every other.

VISTA sees nothing, not even the XP machine. XP sees and can access all machines, VISTA and XP alike.

All machines have the same windows log on.

 

[QuixoticOne]

Do you need LLTD on the XP machines?
Are they SP3?

 

[fivetiger]

I think this is a known issue with Vista...or at least it was when I looked into it a year ago. Same thing happens with my computers. Vista can't see the XP computer.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: fivetiger
I think this is a known issue with Vista...or at least it was when I looked into it a year ago. Same thing happens with my computers. Vista can't see the XP computer.

well, that isn't a big deal....I can LIVE with that...but the VISTA computers cant see the VISTA computers?!?!?!??! Doesn't make sense, haha.

2 VISTA machines (SP1), 1 XP machine (SP3).

Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Do you need LLTD on the XP machines?
Are they SP3?

Why would I need LLTD? XP sees and works fine, its the VISTA machines that are retarded.

 

[QuixoticOne]

As to why the Vista #1 can't see Vista #2, that'd have to be a firewall / network sharing / networking properties issue on one or both of the Vista boxes.

Like I said, I think it might be LLTD preventing XP machines from being seen by Vista unless you've installed that LLTD responder from Windows Update on the XP boxes:
http://www.microsoft.com/downl...481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lltd

Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) is a proprietary Link Layer protocol for network topology discovery and quality of service diagnostics. It was developed by Microsoft as part of the Windows Rally set of technologies. The LLTD protocol operates over both wired (IEEE 802.3 Ethernet) as well as wireless (IEEE 802.11) networks.

LLTD is included in Windows Vista and is used by its Network Map feature to display a graphical representation of the LAN or WLAN, to which the computer is connected. Windows XP does not contain the LLTD protocol as a standard component and as a result, Windows XP computers do not appear on the Network Map unless the LLTD responder is installed on Windows XP computers.

 

[ViviTheMage]

That could be it Quixotic, but I want to get the VISTA machines seeing/communicating first.

I have the firewall turned off, I have sharing correctly enabled, I have all defaults in the networking properties for both Vista boxes...not sure what else I can look at.

 

[QuixoticOne]

Have you tried sharing and connecting a folder manually?
Vista box #1 : IP 192.168.1.201; share a folder via a share called VISTA1
Vista box #2 : IP 192.168.1.202; share a folder via a share called VISTA2
On Vista Box #1: Try using windows explorer to map a drive \\192.168.1.202\VISTA2
On Vista Box #2: Try using windows explorer to map a drive \\192.168.1.201\VISTA1
See if that works.
Make sure you're logged into user accounts with the same names i.e. joeuser login at the login screen on all systems; you can't necessarily get multiple systems networking to multiple other systems in the workgroup with different login username credentials in XP Home / Vista home.

You did double check that they're all in the exact same WORKGROUP name, that the computer NAMEs are distinct on the network, that their IP addresses and MAC addresses are all different, right?

Run "cmd" AS ADMINISTRATOR on Vista Box #1 and try:
NET VIEW
NET USE P: \\192.168.1.202\VISTA2
NET USE P: \\192.168.1.202\VISTA2 password /USER:joeuser

 

[ViviTheMage]

Correct, I have tried getting to the share manually, as well as sharing the folder manually.

All 3 systems are the same account name, and are local admins. They are also all in WORKGROUP, and the names are very distinct (dude, vivi, server).

Each system is indeed getting there own IP.

It said net view service is disabled when I ran that....I also didn't see anything called 'net view' in services.

 

[ViviTheMage]

hmmm

 

[QuixoticOne]

Maybe something in here will be informative, the thread's various posts cover a few different possible problems:
http://forums.microsoft.com/te...=7&ft=11&tf=0&pageid=0

 

[QuixoticOne]

BTW a couple of times I have tried to set up networking under Vista manually and it hasn't worked, whereas when I've used the network setup wizard option to configure it basically the same way it ended up working. I'm not quite sure what is different but you might try that if you haven't already.
Just enabling the various public/private network, IPV4 settings, enable file sharing, firewall, et. al. settings by hand doesn't seem to work always for no obvious reason.
You'd think that they could collect all the relevant settings on one page but .....

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
BTW a couple of times I have tried to set up networking under Vista manually and it hasn't worked, whereas when I've used the network setup wizard option to configure it basically the same way it ended up working. I'm not quite sure what is different but you might try that if you haven't already.
Just enabling the various public/private network, IPV4 settings, enable file sharing, firewall, et. al. settings by hand doesn't seem to work always for no obvious reason.
You'd think that they could collect all the relevant settings on one page but .....

I will sift through it all and see if I can find anything useful, worst case I will just uninstall my NIC maybe and retry it all.

Only if Microsoft made this EASIER....seems to be more complicated then XP was.

 

[Mwing]

I have 2 Vista computers and 1 XP computer, never had any problem sharing, on Vista computers set Network and Sharing Center to public network, turn on sharing.

However, my user name and pw all are same on 3 machines, my forth computer with different name and pw cant be accessed but can be seen. Eventho all 4 computers having the same Workgroup.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Mwing
I have 2 Vista computers and 1 XP computer, never had any problem sharing, on Vista computers set Network and Sharing Center to public network, turn on sharing.

However, my user name and pw all are same on 3 machines, my forth computer with different name and pw cant be accessed but can be seen. Eventho all 4 computers having the same Workgroup.

This is the same for me, but my sharing from VISTA does not work still...I have all the generic settings enabled that is obvious...there has to be something that is just hidden...

Could be that I have VISTA Ultimate as well.

 

[mc866]

*EDIT* Whoops mis-read the post, well you could try the opposite from Vista???


I had a similar issue when trying to find my Vista Ultimate shares on XP home, I could never find them in my network . What I did was open an explorer window and type //"computer name" where computer name is the name of the Vista pc. This seemed to work, I actually had to provide a login name and password, but from there I was set, I could access all of my shared folders. I'm guessing Vista may do this on purpose for added security.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: mc866
*EDIT* Whoops mis-read the post, well you could try the opposite from Vista???


I had a similar issue when trying to find my Vista Ultimate shares on XP home, I could never find them in my network . What I did was open an explorer window and type //"computer name" where computer name is the name of the Vista pc. This seemed to work, I actually had to provide a login name and password, but from there I was set, I could access all of my shared folders. I'm guessing Vista may do this on purpose for added security.

This does not work, nor does using my IP.

 

[Smilin]

aight, dunno how comfy you are doing this but it will lead in the right direction.

Use Wireshark or Netmon 3.x to take a network trace from your problem Vista box while attempting to access a share on one of the other machines.

Use \\<ip address> to connect to keep name resolution out of the picture (for now).

You'll see two conversations get started. One on port 139, one on 445. For each you should see:

1. A packet go out with the TCP SYN flag set.
2. A packet come back with both SYN and ACK flags set.
3. A packet go out with an ACK.
4. A reset of whichever one didn't complete (it tries 139 and 445 at same time then drops the one that doesn't answer. It gives 445 preference if both answer).

Post back here which step does not occur (1,2,3).

Roughly what we're looking for at first:
Packet 2 never happens indicating packet 1 was dropped or the reply was dropped.
Packet 3 never happens indicating packet 2 arrive but was dropped by the local firewall.

Anywho, take a quick network trace of this and post results. We'll go from there (this step basically just tells us where to begin troubleshooting).

 

[ViviTheMage]

wow, this thing shows a lot of activity, even with nothing 'running'.

Here is a shot of right when I did my //10.10.5.20 which is my server.

http://vivicalproductions.com/comic/scn.jpg

Does this thing capture EVERYTHING on my network? If so, that makes sense why a lot is going on--using wireshark.

 

[MTDEW]

Just change your your workgroup in Vista to MSHOME. :thumbsup:
start / right click computer / properties and under computer name, and workgroup settings click the change settings selection.Then click the change button in the window that pops up.

 

[ViviTheMage]

why would I change it to MSHOME?

They are all set to WORKGROUP