Windows Vista...welcome to SUCK?

[SnoMunke]

I have been seeing alot of screenshots of Windows Vista (no I have not installed any Betas), and everything I see so far makes me think Windows is full of ALOT of unnecessary eye-candy CRAP! I can just image when I first install Vista (if I haven't bailed ship and gone over to the dark side - Linux) I will be spending the first hour turning eye-candy sh!t off...no wonder there are high memory requirements for this OS...

IE7's look simply SUCKS! Way to many buttons, sliders, info bars, etc...

 

[Zoomer]

Not to say the ****** trusted computing shebang....

 

[Sunner]

Well, as long as they keep the easy option to turn all of the crap off, I'm satisfied.
Also known as System Properties -> Advanced -> Performance, select Adjust for best performance
Turns off themes and crap, I leave anti aliasing enabled though, after that it's just a matter of turning off the horrendous start menu and you're back to Win2K style.

So long as WinV keeps something like that around, they can add all the junk they want, HD space is cheap.

 

[jlbenedict]

As long as Vista doesn't inhibit my ability to turn off all the visual eye candy, and system bogging features, I will not mind....

We all bitched and complained about Windows XP when it first came out, but now look where we are... the same cycle.. all over again

 

[Edman]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
As long as Vista doesn't inhibit my ability to turn off all the visual eye candy, and system bogging features, I will not mind....

We all bitched and complained about Windows XP when it first came out, but now look where we are... the same cycle.. all over again

That's 100% True!! LOL

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
I have been seeing alot of screenshots of Windows Vista (no I have not installed any Betas), and everything I see so far makes me think Windows is full of ALOT of unnecessary eye-candy CRAP! I can just image when I first install Vista (if I haven't bailed ship and gone over to the dark side - Linux) I will be spending the first hour turning eye-candy sh!t off...no wonder there are high memory requirements for this OS...

IE7's look simply SUCKS! Way to many buttons, sliders, info bars, etc...

You'd probably be surprised how many people will buy this OS based on eye candy alone.

 

[spyordie007]

As long as Vista doesn't inhibit my ability to turn off all the visual eye candy, and system bogging features, I will not mind....

It will.

Also keep in mind that the "eye candy" XP was all sofware rendered on (almost entirely) single process capable CPUs. By the time Vista is mainstream the machines out there will be able to offload the eye-candiness to your graphics hardware, in the event that there is anything that your CPU needs to work on you'll be running HT or Multi-core so you shouldnt really see the minimal amount of extra processor work. An yes of course if you dont like it you can always go back to "classic" mode.

Vista is not just about "eye candy"; there are a lot of new features that the OS will have. Yes I realize that you arent running it now and all you have to go off of is the screen shots; but wait until it goes public beta so you can try it for yourself.

 

[KoolDrew]

Well, as long as they keep the easy option to turn all of the crap off, I'm satisfied.

 

[Markbnj]

People enjoy having an interesting look on their desktops. Eye candy is appreciated by a large number of Windows users, and if hard disk space is cheap, as another poster said, so are CPU cycles. The look and feel should be configurable, from bare-bones all the way up to full-blown styled interfaces. The fact that the O/S supports a styled or themed set of interface accessories certainly doesn't mean it sucks. Apple has been way out front of Windows in this area for years, and still is, and there aren't that many threads posted saying that their O/S sucks. Mostly a certain type of person just likes to disdain Microsoft, and would find reason to complain whether they were adding eye candy, or getting rid of it all.

 

[Smilin]

Yay! We all now have several more years of people bitching about eye candy to look forward to!!! Just keep running your Win2k and STFU.

It is not possible for some people to be happy.

 

[Nothinman]

We all bitched and complained about Windows XP when it first came out, but now look where we are... the same cycle.. all over again

You may be stuck in the same cycle, but some of us were smart enough to jump ship a while ago.

and if hard disk space is cheap, as another poster said, so are CPU cycles

You may have a lot of CPU cycles, but since only one process can be on the CPU at a time the latency switching between 2 or 3 apps that want a decent amount of CPU cycles will be noticable.

 

[Rilex]

You may have a lot of CPU cycles, but since only one process can be on the CPU at a time the latency switching between 2 or 3 apps that want a decent amount of CPU cycles will be noticable.

You say that as if it were gospel when you know it is a falicy.

This thread reaks of "I saw a picture of the cover of a book, and it looked so gawd-awful the book must suck!".

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Rilex

You may have a lot of CPU cycles, but since only one process can be on the CPU at a time the latency switching between 2 or 3 apps that want a decent amount of CPU cycles will be noticable.

You say that as if it were gospel when you know it is a falicy.

This thread reaks of "I saw a picture of the cover of a book, and it looked so gawd-awful the book must suck!".

I put it down as good old fashioned Microsoft bashing. I mean, come-on, the OS hasn't even released yet and people are bitching about it? That is almost the exact definition of prejudice. Pathetic.

 

[GreyMittens]

I swear half of the people out there are bashing MS because it's the 'cool' thing to do. Sure there are going to be people with reasons to use an alternative OS but a lot just like to type 'M$' or 'MicroShaft' for some reason... *shrug*

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Rilex
You say that as if it were gospel when you know it is a falicy.

This thread reaks of "I saw a picture of the cover of a book, and it looked so gawd-awful the book must suck!".

Time slicing isn't a fallacy. It's been used for years and still is. It's the basis of just about any multitasking OS on a single core CPU.

 

[Rilex]

His example is false, though. There are obvious situations where timeslicing doesn't have a noticible impact on performance to the end user. That is my point.

And to the OP, you haven't seen what Vista will look like when it is released. You've seen pictures of Beta 1.

Who here remembers what XP looked like during Beta 1? And did it look the same as RTM?

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Rilex
You say that as if it were gospel when you know it is a falicy.

This thread reaks of "I saw a picture of the cover of a book, and it looked so gawd-awful the book must suck!".

Time slicing isn't a fallacy. It's been used for years and still is. It's the basis of just about any multitasking OS on a single core CPU.

I don't think he meant time slicing is a fallacy. I think he meant the "noticeable" part. Quoting a quote that was taken out of context can lead to confusion.

Also, since someone brough up eye candy and cpu cycles did anyone mention that Vista will offload from your CPU to your GPU? Nah, too busy bitching about something they have never tried and that hasn't even been completed yet.

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: GreyMittens
I swear half of the people out there are bashing MS because it's the 'cool' thing to do. Sure there are going to be people with reasons to use an alternative OS but a lot just like to type 'M$' or 'MicroShaft' for some reason... *shrug*

By this reasoning, every post in this thread is worthless, except for Zoomer's post.

So, how about it? Want to go there? Want to blanket-deny that TC is going to be an integral part of Vista?

 

[xtknight]

Right, if the only process that needs to go on is a small driver to tell the GPU what to do, its slice of time SHOULD be minimal and have a negligible effect on performance. The keyword is SHOULD.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: bersl2

Originally posted by: GreyMittens
I swear half of the people out there are bashing MS because it's the 'cool' thing to do. Sure there are going to be people with reasons to use an alternative OS but a lot just like to type 'M$' or 'MicroShaft' for some reason... *shrug*

By this reasoning, every post in this thread is worthless, except for Zoomer's post.

So, how about it? Want to go there? Want to blanket-deny that TC is going to be an integral part of Vista?

Would it be possible to re-write your post? No offense (I hope), but it doesn't make any sense to me. That first sentence has some kinda chewbacca defense logic in it. In your second sentence I'm not sure where it is you want to go and I'm not sure what you mean by "TC".

Thanks.

 

[GreyMittens]

Originally posted by: Smilin
Would it be possible to re-write your post? No offense (I hope), but it doesn't make any sense to me. That first sentence has some kinda chewbacca defense logic in it. In your second sentence I'm not sure where it is you want to go and I'm not sure what you mean by "TC".

Thanks.

Phew - I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't quite get that either. I mean, the defensive part I pick up on (though I don't quite understand why he got so defensive...) I admit I have no clue on the second part.

 

[bsobel]

TC = Trusted Computing

 

[Rilex]

Also, since someone brough up eye candy and cpu cycles did anyone mention that Vista will offload from your CPU to your GPU?

I think very few people realise that ever since the accelerated functions became available in GDI+, offloading to the GPU is common (the fade effects, mouse shadows, etc. since Windows 2000). Even some of the early drivers for the nVidia TNT were capable of doing this.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: bsobel
TC = Trusted Computing

Thanks.

 

[GreyMittens]

Originally posted by: bersl2
By this reasoning, every post in this thread is worthless, except for Zoomer's post.

I don't quite get how you came up with this... I definitely have a few minor issues with Windows, but not enough just to join the lemmings chanting 'MS is rubbish' for *no reason*. As i said, there are certainly people who have a reason to use a different OS, but I am also saying there are a lot who don't have any reason to except to throw anti MS jargon around. Who knows what side you're on, and frankly it's not a concern.

Originally posted by: bersl2
So, how about it? Want to go there? Want to blanket-deny that TC is going to be an integral part of Vista?

I wasn't aware what TC was or the rational behind it until the other poster actually spelled it out for me. From the little research i've done into this, all I can say is it doesn't sound like something I'd be that keen on having on my desktop. We'll have to wait and see.