WINDOWS VISTA

[loki2k]

How different is this new OS???

 

[Sacrifice]

Like every windows version, the changes will be minimal or look minimal. It will be made for users to be use instantly, and what other way can you archieve that by maintaining the same uniformal look that windows has.

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time. Basicly i hope this is implemented and made well known so i dont hear lame excuses like: I havent backed up!!! Next time i want to let an image wipe the floor with an corrupt or virus infected OS.

 

[Seeruk]

So far what I have seen the interface is far from final. All that is present is the glass effects on top of a revamped xp... but as I understand it the real interface will not bein until at least beta2 (in a month or so) or probably not until early next year. The latest build I received is 5231 which doesnt even have the sidebar already seen in verious screenshots. However some of the tweaks seen so far tend to bring information forward in the UI a lot more meaning less stuff hidden away in 'Properties' dialogs. e.g. disk space very graphically displayed next to drives in My Computer. The breadcrumb navigation is also very handy and removes the only thing i preffered about the gnome/kde desktops. The alt tab thumbnail previews of the screens you are tabbing around is superb (likewise the hovering of a stacked pile of taskbar windows provides similar thumbs)

Apart from that there is tons of new stuff already... my favourite of which is Microsoft Mail, its the revamped Outlook Express but looks and acts much more like Outlook 2003 thus removing the need to use Outlook (unless you need some of the more corporate features).

As for most useful stuff, virtual folders, the new network mapping/analysis tool/built in Media Centre/tabs in IE7 at last... and without doubt the new imaging is fantastic.

As for all kinds of other stuff that I havent even had a chance to play with yet - The Sidebar/new Media Player/New Messenger/ New One Care & live.com stuff / WinFS and other removed items / MS Calendar / The whole closing down of the interface and non essential services while a game is playing sounds useful / and so on.

Lastly some new games - cant rememeber any of them (they suck) apart from the chess which great and exactly what I need in a quiet moment at work

 

[spyordie007]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=windows+vista&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista
http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
The breadcrumb navigation is also very handy and removes the only thing i preffered about the gnome/kde desktops.

I'm not familiar with this concept, could you elaborate? I mean, I think I know what breadcrumbing is, but I don't recall having seen it in gnome/kde.

The alt tab thumbnail previews of the screens you are tabbing around is superb (likewise the hovering of a stacked pile of taskbar windows provides similar thumbs)

Seems like microsoft has really been paying attention to the little helpers that'll make navigation easier. That's something I would have expected osx to have first. I think we'll see various platforms do some microsoft immitation in the years following vista's release, if they don't do it first :evil:

Apart from that there is tons of new stuff already... my favourite of which is Microsoft Mail, its the revamped Outlook Express but looks and acts much more like Outlook 2003 thus removing the need to use Outlook (unless you need some of the more corporate features).

They actually called the email program 'Mail'? lol :laugh: There's nothing wrong with the name in and of itself, but...

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: kamper

The breadcrumb navigation is also very handy and removes the only thing i preffered about the gnome/kde desktops.

I'm not familiar with this concept, could you elaborate? I mean, I think I know what breadcrumbing is, but I don't recall having seen it in gnome/kde.

Hmmm kinda hard in words ... but say you navigate to C drive > Temp folder > folder xyz then in XP to get back up to C you would need to either press the up button twice or close the window and start again (assuming you aint using explorer)
With breadcrumbing you have a toolbar that adds each part of the path as a seperate button as you drill down looking something like:

|C Drive||Temp||XYZ|

so you can navigate back up to any random part of the path with a single click.

They actually called the email program 'Mail'? lol :laugh: There's nothing wrong with the name in and of itself, but...

Hardly gonna win any naming contests is it Then they say beauty is simplicity

 

[Nothinman]

Like every windows version, the changes will be minimal or look minimal. It will be made for users to be use instantly, and what other way can you archieve that by maintaining the same uniformal look that windows has.

Not that I believe uniformal is a real word, but even if it were and you had used it correctly I would still think you were wrong. The only OS transitions from MS that didn't include medium->major UI changes were NT4->2000 and Win95->Win98(SE)->WinME.

Win3.11->Win95 was huge, the whole thing was completely redone from scratch.
NT3.5.1->NT4 was the same thing, they just applied the Win95 UI to NT.
Win2K->XP was a so-so change. The core parts of the UI stayed basically the same, but were changed in lots of little ways. The start menu was still there, but it worked differently. The taskbar was there but it worked differently. The system tray was there but it worked differently. A lot of the icons were renamed, functionality was moved into different control panel applets, etc. To an experienced user most of the changes seem minimal, but to someone who doesn't know how Windows works all of those little changes add up into a pretty big learning curve.

Vista will probably be somewhere in between, the system overall will work like Windows has for the past 10 years, but enough will change to confuse people and make them run out and buy things like "Windows Vista for Dummies" and "Learn Windows Vista Visually".

 

[bsobel]

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: bsobel

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

I think he's refering to VSS.

 

[hooflung]

If you know anything about linux...

Vista is basically to windows what kernel 2.6 kernel was to the previous 2.4 linux system. Its user interface is a proprietary gui built off of c, c++ and .net that incorporates ideas already found in GNU modifications for the X windows system and tools pioneered by apple for OS X.

It uses DRM where it can and throws in novelty items such as ... well... anything that isn't in XP service pack 2. It is a transition operating system. There is need for Vista in areas such the kernel... everything else is just fluff.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I believe it is Windows NT 6

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: spyordie007

Originally posted by: bsobel

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

I think he's refering to VSS.

So was I. (wasn't I?)

 

[stash]

Vista is basically to windows what kernel 2.6 kernel was to the previous 2.4 linux system. Its user interface is a proprietary gui built off of c, c++ and .net that incorporates ideas already found in GNU modifications for the X windows system and tools pioneered by apple for OS X.

Do you have anything else to contribute to this forum? This is the third or fourth time I've seen you post this FUD.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: STaSh

Vista is basically to windows what kernel 2.6 kernel was to the previous 2.4 linux system. Its user interface is a proprietary gui built off of c, c++ and .net that incorporates ideas already found in GNU modifications for the X windows system and tools pioneered by apple for OS X.

Do you have anything else to contribute to this forum? This is the third or fourth time I've seen you post this FUD.

Instead of just saying it's 'FUD' could you explain why for the less informed or so we could put more faith in your statement?

 

[stash]

Take some time and go through the videos on Vista at channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=14&TagID=9

Also remember that most (if not all) of the videos are of the Beta1 or PDC05 builds. Things will be different come beta2.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: bsobel

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

No, I believe only the Shadow Copy client is on XP, but the network share must be located on a Windows 2003 server.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: bsobel

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

No, I believe only the Shadow Copy client is on XP, but the network share must be located on a Windows 2003 server.

The poster talked about shadow copies and making backup-easier. XP includes the Volume Shadow Copy service and the backup application uses it, so I'm not sure what feature he's hoping for (perhaps I'm confused!)

 

[bsobel]

Instead of just saying it's 'FUD' could you explain why for the less informed or so we could put more faith in your statement?

You need more info to have faith in Stash vs a newbie with 8 posts.... Wow, sad.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: bsobel

As an more than average user i hope for shadow copies on the desktop/laptop OS, which first made their introduction on w2k3, to be implemented on the system. Its easier to backup and costs less time.

Huh? Shadow copy first appeared in XP.
Bill

No, I believe only the Shadow Copy client is on XP, but the network share must be located on a Windows 2003 server.

The poster talked about shadow copies and making backup-easier. XP includes the Volume Shadow Copy service and the backup application uses it, so I'm not sure what feature he's hoping for (perhaps I'm confused!)

Yes the service existed for backups under XP; but they are refering to using the shadow copy service on shares to restore files to previous versions as you can under 2K3 server:
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/...r-2003-Volume-Shadow-Copy-Service.html

I dont know what the stratagy here is for Microsoft but under the current builds AFAIK this capability is exposed in the client.

-Erik

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Seeruk

Originally posted by: kamper

The breadcrumb navigation is also very handy and removes the only thing i preffered about the gnome/kde desktops.

I'm not familiar with this concept, could you elaborate? I mean, I think I know what breadcrumbing is, but I don't recall having seen it in gnome/kde.

Hmmm kinda hard in words ... but say you navigate to C drive > Temp folder > folder xyz then in XP to get back up to C you would need to either press the up button twice or close the window and start again (assuming you aint using explorer)
With breadcrumbing you have a toolbar that adds each part of the path as a seperate button as you drill down looking something like:

|C Drive||Temp||XYZ|

so you can navigate back up to any random part of the path with a single click.

Yeah, I understand that much perfectly. I've just never actually seen it implemented in a filesystem browser.

They actually called the email program 'Mail'? lol :laugh: There's nothing wrong with the name in and of itself, but...

Hardly gonna win any naming contests is it Then they say beauty is simplicity

I don't think you understand why I'm laughing This is like ammo for people who accuse ms of copying apple

 

[xtknight]

What I gathered from it was:

[*]Avalon/WinFX for developers
[*].NET to be used more in the future
[*]New themes
[*]Security fixes under the hood (better rootkit protection? user management?)
[*]IE7
[*]Better Explorer navigation system
[*]Better window management (3d?)
[*]Steeper hardware requirements
[*]New Longhorn Display Model with which OpenGL will be emulated and new graphics cards will have to comply.
[*]New file 'preview' in Explorer which has been in Gnautilus for at least a year.

Originally posted by: bsobel

Instead of just saying it's 'FUD' could you explain why for the less informed or so we could put more faith in your statement?

You need more info to have faith in Stash vs a newbie with 8 posts.... Wow, sad.

He wasn't talking about Sacrifice's quote. Besides, what does post count have to do with anything? There's some rule if you have less than 1000 posts stuff you say is false? STaSh later replied with some helpful info so no offense but I don't know what you have to do with any of this. All I was doing was asking for more info...

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: xtknight
What I gathered from it was:

[*]Avalon/WinFX for developers
[*].NET to be used more in the future
[*]New themes
[*]Security fixes under the hood (better rootkit protection? user management?)
[*]IE7
[*]Better Explorer navigation system
[*]Better window management (3d?)
[*]Steeper hardware requirements
[*]New Longhorn Display Model with which OpenGL will be emulated and new graphics cards will have to comply.
[*]New file 'preview' in Explorer which has been in Gnautilus for at least a year.

Windows VISTA! Now with 50% more Linux!
Why get it all for free when you could have a fraction of the features and PAY PAY PAY !!

 

[doornail]

Don't forget the crippled video unless you buy a DRM-certified monitor. That's WAY new!

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: doornail
Don't forget the crippled video unless you buy a DRM-certified monitor. That's WAY new!

Right... :roll:

This is some high-quality FUD

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: Brazen
Windows VISTA! Now with 50% more Linux!
Why get it all for free when you could have a fraction of the features and PAY PAY PAY !!

Don't forget the crippled video unless you buy a DRM-certified monitor. That's WAY new!

Really some people do talk complete and utter sh*t.

Do you enjoy appearing utterly clueless? It's the only reason I can think someone would post such tripe

Seriously some zealouts (of whatever OS but particularly *nix) are like the iraqi information minister.

"There are absolutely no infedels in our city" <US Tanks roll past in the background>