Windows Vista

[konakona]

I heard vista will eliminated the goddammned kmixer, so computer-based audiophiles would no longer be required to use ASIO or KS. Finally, a step into the right direciton (now, the DRM bit is a whole different story though...)

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: scottish144

Originally posted by: Link19

Also, it looks like MS is running out of ideas. They made Windows a skin for DOS, then transferrd it to the NT platform. Now they can do little more than add more fluff. Unless they switch from NT, Windows will eventually die.

that just plain wrong.
windows is a very nice platform (as much as i hate to admit it...since for the past year i have been a linux fanboy).. do you know why i swtiched back to win xp after not using it for a whole year. i'll tell you its cuz i bought a nw computer and wanted to play games. but now that i look at it windows just makes stuff so much easier. if you've ever configured a network in linux you'll know what i mean. i know that sure when i setup a dhcp server and router using linux and iptables it was all a very learning experiance but frankly i like windows now cuz i have to study for my exams and don't have time for learning linux and other crap.

also i love the new encrytpion features (i mean whole drive encryption 0_0 )

the only thing i hate right now is the fact that OGL support seems weird . last time i heard it was bieng emulated ( and i think DX9 is also biueng emulated over a DX10). that imo is the deciding factor. if that happens it linux and win xp for me.

 

[yacoub]

The DRM and other content protection crap is the only thing I don't want to deal with in Vista. I look forward to DirectX10, better file/folder protection, and the new interface if it's easy to use and not a complete resource hog. I also live in the DC area btw, and I like it a lot except for the traffic. It's a very diverse area which among other things means you get a lot of really good restaurants.

 

[Scorp]

New article posted here by Extremetech... gives a quick overview of the new stuff without diving into very technical levels

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931946,00.asp

 

[stelleg151]

Good article so far, I was already planning to upgrade for CableCard support and DX10, but some of this other stuff sounds pretty good. I hope the part about improved algorithms for TCP packets isnt bs, sounds pretty cool.

EDIT: Oh yeah and the driver setup, having the kernel seperate sounds very good. Im suprised they didnt think of that sooner, but perhaps it is more complicated than I know.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: yacoub
The DRM and other content protection crap is the only thing I don't want to deal with in Vista.

Then you don't have to... nobody is forcing you to. You can use DRM content like you do on any other OS like XP or Linux; you won't be able to unless you use their proprietary software.

 

[TheNiceGuy]

Damn! Everyone will HAVE to buy new video cards to play new DirectX10 games on Vista...

 

[stash]

There are plenty of people in this forum who buy the latest $400-$500 offerings from ATI and Nvidia everytime they are released.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: TheNiceGuy
Damn! Everyone will HAVE to buy new video cards to play new DirectX10 games on Vista...

Damn! Everybody that had 512 of RAM had to get a GB or more when they bought BF2 or FEAR.

It's part of the price you pay to play the newest. Don't like it, don't play. Or change the market. I bet you give up on the latter.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: TheNiceGuy
Damn! Everyone will HAVE to buy new video cards to play new DirectX10 games on Vista...

What do you mean I need a *real* video card to play Halo on my PC???

If you dont have a new video card you get a simplified GUI more comperable to that of XP.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: spyordie007

Originally posted by: TheNiceGuy
Damn! Everyone will HAVE to buy new video cards to play new DirectX10 games on Vista...

What do you mean I need a *real* video card to play Halo on my PC???

If you dont have a new video card you get a simplified GUI more comperable to that of XP.

I think what he is saying is in order to Play DX10 games, you need a DX10 certified card, which appears correct.

 

[meson2000]

Of course, no game manufaturer is going to force their games to play only with DX 10 compatable graphics cards. (Except Halo 2 because they already made a ton of $$$ off of it and Microsoft owns Bungie so they can do whatever they want). They will all have Directx 9 code paths in them. Next...

 

[Christopher1]

Originally posted by: atyberg
I am pretty cautious about being excited for Vista.
With all the stupid DRM issues for gosh sakes, you will have to have crazy hardware to run it correctly (IIRC)
By the time it is out, Ubuntu will have an even better release out (off topic I know)
my two cents...

You will not have to have special hardware to run Windows Vista. That is a HUGE misconception, that Microsoft is trying to debunk right now. Most of the people who say "AAAAAAH! I'll need new hardware!" are hackers and crackers who don't want people to switch over to security-conscious Vista.

You will not need new hardware to run Windows Vista, if your hardware isn't crappy right now.
You WILL need new hardware, or hardware that is compliant with certain standards in order to use certain functions to their full potential (Media Player, Hi-Def Video, etc.).
With Hi-def video, if your video card is not HDCP compliant and/or your monitor is not HDCP-compliant, your video will be downgraded to 640*480 pixels (standard definition), though you will still be able to watch the Hi-def movie or video.

There are some other functions that will be disabled or the quality lowered if your equipment doesn't meet certain specs, but 99.9% of it you will still be able to play at a lower quality.

I am more worried about "Will my Windows XP and Windows 95/98/ME games work on Windows Vista?"
From what I have heard, the kernel is getting a COMPLETE re-write, and won't be accessable to most things (even device drivers!), so that could break some games that normally manipulate the kernel.
That's why I am going to wait until I am sure that I can play all my games, with no problems, on the new Vista OS.
I am planning on building/buying a new computer in the next two years, so by then Vista should be out, the most major bugs will be plugged, and it will be a good operating system.

 

[TheNiceGuy]

A better write up in simple terms about what Vista, or more accurately DX10, means for gaming:
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6143883/p-4.html

Christopher1, why do hackers/crackers care about Vista? I mean won't they just be able to find ways around the security like they did with previous Windows versions?

 

[Continuity28]

I'm looking forward to it. XP is actually flawed in so many ways on the kernel level, which is part of the reason people like Linux. Vista will be designed more intelligently, with drivers and hooks removed from the kernel - which would make the operating system many times more stable and secure.

Right now if various drivers including video drivers while playing games has an error - it kills the entire operating system and warrants a restart or crash of explorer.exe. This shouldn't happen in Vista as these drivers are being run in their own space, and the kernel is completely separate and happy regardless - like in Linux. If you get an error, not only will windows not crash - but the worst that can happen is the game hiccups.. but should recover. Great changes are made to the audio stack as well, which accounts for many crashes today. It will be harder for viruses to destroy the operating system - especially coming from IE.

I predict Vista will be more stable, more secure, and faster than XP. Now as for the "bloat", that's a valid concern - but much like in XP - it can be removed. Some people like the bloat, like newcomers. Others can disable it, no big deal.

The changes to the UI reflect the ones mentioned already... things are becoming independant - the way they should be.

I hope they can deliver. But it definately doesn't look like a minorly improved XP. I'm guessing it will be as big or bigger of a change as 95/98/ME to NT/2000/XP was.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: scottish144

Originally posted by: Link19
It just seems it will be a more bloated edition of Windows XP. It may have slightly better security, but none of which can't be achieved with Windows XP SP2 and good third party software and user habits. Windows XP is already a good OS. We don't need Vista. It will only require a lot more system resources which will suck for resource intensive foreground applications. Just stick with Windows XP as it is already a good OS and there is no need for Vista.

Vista is way overrated at this time!! Let it be delayed until 2010 for all I care!! I am not looking forward to having to disable all the bloated garbage it will throw at us for those of us that hate it!! Some of the bloat will probably be forced on us and thus no way to disable it!!

And yet there are people who like that crap (old people who don't know sh!t about computers. My grandmother is like this). The only reason Windows is still alive is because of its user friendliness, and its decade long reighn without almost any major competition that has forced everything to be compatable with it. Still, I expect it will die in a decade or so. My generation (I'm 18) mostley knows how to use computers, and almost everyone I know is pissed at MS for some reason or other. Once people learn more about computers, they will see Windows for the Sh!t it is. :evil:

Also, it looks like MS is running out of ideas. They made Windows a skin for DOS, then transferrd it to the NT platform. Now they can do little more than add more fluff. Unless they switch from NT, Windows will eventually die.

You don't really have a grasp of the market, the underlying technology, or the userbase of computers do you? 18? I was playing Windows NT and its Big Brothers, VMS VAX and OS/2, when you were barely out of diapers.