Windows XP Lag Question.

elfnumber1

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Hey guys, I just built a new computer:

ABit KT7A-raid
Athlon 1.0ghz T-bird (100mhz bus speed for some reason)
256mb PC100
Maxtor 20gb HDD
etc etc.

Now, why does XP lag when I'm doing multiple things on the desktop? I'll be browsing the web and playing music and it'll skip. I've not had this problem with my older computer that had basically the same things but a pIII 600e cpu. I don't know if it's the ram that's not sufficient. I have everything set at "for best performance" also, and it still isn't helping. Someone advise. Thanks.

-elf
 

jcmkk

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Jun 22, 2001
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Do you have all of your drivers up to date. Video drivers can really effect lag in windows XP.
 

Daniel

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Hmm, I just installed XP and I'm feeling the same thing, mostly in IE, if I go to open the drop down menus its much slower than it was in 2k.
 

elfnumber1

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Ok, I will try updating my drivers. I don't think sound drivers would affect it much, but I basically used all the generic Windows drivers for it. I think the video drivers should help, but how much? LYK later.

-elf
 

jfall

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Man, what kind of sound card do you have in it? If you want help fixing the problem, we need to know. If your experiencing problems with sound skipping in Winamp when doing other tasks, then it could have a lot to do with the sound card and/or it's drivers. For example, I have almost an identical computer to yours and I have a Sound Blaster Live in it, I experience the same problems you do, because it's known with sound blaster live cards....
 

elfnumber1

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Dude, there is no need to be rude dawg.

Soundblaster Live Value. Using the generic XP drivers again. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't think about the sound card too. I'll get the updated drivers for both and see what happens. Thanks.

elf
 

jfall

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Just remember, even with the latest updates for the Sound Blaster Live, it still may not work 100%.. at least for me it doesn't. I have tried pretty much every thing, but this card just doesn't want to work properly. I think I will eventually end up ditching it and picking up something else that will work better.
 

AH786

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Check this out:





Increasing File System Caching

To increase the amount of memory Windows will locked for I/O operations:

Start Regedit

Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management

Edit the key IoPageLockLimit

4096 - 32megs of memory or less
8192 - 32+ megs of memory
16384 - 64+ megs of memory
32768 - 128+ megs of memory
65536 - 256+ megs of memory

Common Command Console Utilities


WindowsXP comes with quite a few console utilities you can easily run from the command line:

Computer Management - compmgmt.msc
Disk Managment - diskmgmt.msc
Device Manager - devmgmt.msc
Disk Defrag - dfrg.msc
Event Viewer - eventvwr.msc
Shared Folders - fsmgmt.msc
Group Policies - gpedit.msc VERY GOOD. You can change, style of start menu and remove certain items you do not want.
Also if more than 1 person is using your computer, then from here you can monitor what they can access and use. Many
Other excellent stuff in here also,
Local Users and Groups - lusrmgr.msc
Performance Monitor - perfmon.msc
Resultant Set of Policies - rsop.msc
Local Security Settings - secpol.msc
Services - services.msc
Component Services - comexp.msc
Msconfig
Regedit
Dxdiag

Increasing System Performance


If you have 512 megs or more of memory, you can increase system performance
by having the core system kept in memory.

Start Regedit
Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\DisablePagingExecutive
Set the value to be 1
Reboot the computer

Pressing Windows key and pause/break key will open the device manager. Many Options to increase performance can be
found there. In the performance section, it's advisable to disable all options except "smooth screen fonts" and
"Use visual styles and buttons". The other options are barely noticable and most advanced users will find it better
to disable them and increase performance. On desktop properties, you can enable cleartype as a type of font smoothing. It is made with LCD
screens in mind, but even if you have a standard CRT, you will still see the difference in clarity of the fonts.

Increasing Start Menu Speed

Start Regedit.
Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\CONTROLPANEL\Desktop. and look for the key "Menushowdelay". It's default value is at 400, you can lower that
to what you desire. Or increase if you desire. (Which would be strange though!!)

Use Windows Update, the first time I opened it it had a system update and 2 device drivers update.

NTFS V FAT32

In the Windows Xp installation, you are asked whether to format using FAT32 or NTFS. If you are ONLY going to use XP,
it is recommended to use NTFS. It's more reliable, better security options and gernerally better. However be warned,
a FAT32 file system will not recognise a NTFS partition. Also, any windows 98/ME bootable CD's will
not recognise the NTFS file system so if you want to dual boot or uninstall XP and format and install a different OS,
It's recommended to change to FAT32 filesystem before you put the other OS on. This can be done in the XP installation
program.

There are many more options inside Windows XP to tweak. If you want more, try http://www.tweakxp.com/ and
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp

Windows XP is more complex then the Windows 9x series, so for some users, some options such as where the temp files and your Internet, history, cookies and temp Internet files may not be visible initially. Goto Windows explorer, to the folder documents and settings. This will show all the users on your system. Under the names, will be all their Temp, history, cookies and temp net files.

Enable ATA/UDMA 66 support, assuming your hard drive(s) supports it that is. By default in Windows XP, support for ATA/UDMA66 is disabled (On Intel chipsets at least). Click on Start, Run, type in regedit & hit Enter. Go to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\
Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
\0000]. Add a New DWORD value entitled EnableUDMA66 & give it a value of 1 to enable support for UDMA/ATA 66, 0 disables it.


The last tweak for this guide - and a good one. The main components of your computer have an IRQ number assigned to them. With this tweak we can increase the priority given to any IRQ number, thereby improving the performance of that component. The most common component this tweak is used for is the System CMOS/real time clock, which improves performance across the board. First of all, decide which component you want to give a performance boost to. Next, you have to discover which IRQ that piece of hardware is using. To do this, simply go to Control Panel, then open the System panel (You can also press the shortcut of Windows+Break). Click the 'Hardware' tab, then on the 'Device Manager' button.

Now, right click on the component you want to discover the IRQ for and click 'Properties', then click on the 'Resources' tab.

You can plainly see which IRQ this device is using (if there is no IRQ number, select another device). Remember the number and close down all of the dialog boxes you have opened, then start up RegEdit. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\PriorityControl in the registry. Now, we have to create a new DWORD value - called IRQ#Priority (where '#' is the IRQ number), then set the data to 1. For example, the IRQ of my System CMOS is 8, so I would create the key IRQ8Priority.

Now, after restarting, you should notice improved performance in the component you tweaked. I would strongly recommend the CMOS, as it improves performance around the board. Also note that you can have multiple IRQ prioritized, but it is fairly inefficient and can cause instability. To remove this tweak, simply delete the value you created.



Hope it helps
 

btvillarin

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Wow...that helped him out...

If you liked that information somewhat, I think it'd be better to check out the Anandtech FAQs or my website, which features these tips and links to other helpful sites that I visit regularly.
 

elfnumber1

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btvillarin,

I actually haven't tried any of those yet. I work more than fulltime and also don't check AT as often as I used to. Firstly, it would take 5hrs to DL the soundblaster drivers on this 56k. Secondly, I will see about doing this, but I'm sure this is all the help I need, no more advice is necessary. Thanks again for everyone's help.
 

harpy82

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well... i guess the problem will go off by itselfs....

i had reformatted and reinstalled winXP 4 times now.. every time i fisrt use my clean system.. it lags..... especially in drop down menus... control panel and driver config....

but after a few days using it... it is lagless...

maybe u should do a defragment.....

MS windows update ??

 

Adrian Tung

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<< I'll be browsing the web and playing music and it'll skip >>


What are you using to play your music? The built-in Windows Media Player 8 is a huge resource hogger with visualisations turned on. Also, what hardware do you use to connect to the net for browsing? I know that certain USB modems (like mine) eats up huge CPU cycles (as much as 75% sometimes) in spikes.

Have you watched the CPU usage graph in the Task Manager to see what's going on when your system lags? I've also found out that, with a Logitech iFeel Mouse, just running the mouse pointer over menus and icons can sometimes kick the CPU usage up by 10-15%.


atwl
 

elfnumber1

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Well, I've finally gotten around to trying all the tweaks and DLing of the newest drivers. To tell you, it hasn't helped me much. It did increase the startup time and load up times of some programs, maybe a little faster browsing the web, but the lag is still there.

Yes I do use Windows Media Player, and yes I know it takes up more resources. Without using another mp3 program such as Winamp, I'd rather fix this problem. I've used other computers running XP with less ram playing media player and browsing the web without problems. This is more than frustrating to me. But I suppose it's just how it's gonna be. Anyhow, no need troubling myself on Christmas Day past.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas and will have a great New Year's.

-elf
 

jaylek55

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Perhaps your lag is due to shared resources. I know I had lag and sound problems when I had my Live in a PCI slot that shared resources with my on-board raid. Have you looked into that?
 
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