Windows XP market share climbs again as customers dig their heels in

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nemesismk2

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Hackers would have more fun with XP if they open sourced it so no thanks, I think they should just let it die,no OS can remain forever especially one full of security holes.

you have to say why did microsoft release windows xp which must of had lots of security problems right on release which even after 12 years microsoft has not fixed them all. I think part of the problem was releasing windows xp without a antivirus and firewall for starters.
 

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you have to say why did microsoft release windows xp which must of had lots of security problems right on release which even after 12 years microsoft has not fixed them all. I think part of the problem was releasing windows xp without a antivirus and firewall for starters.


Regardless XP is so old now,Microsoft are moving on to newer things ie Win9,10 etc where their resources are needed(not forgetting Win7 and 8/8.1).


It's very normal for an old OS to be phased out so don't see the issue,as I stated earlier there are other options available to XP.
 
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code65536

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I saw a post over at Neowin, where someone translated a post by Microsoft's Chinese division.

One of the interesting things that it points out is that 70% of Chinese XP systems don't get security updates in the first place (probably because it's all pirated, but they didn't say that), so as a result, the XP support shutoff is unlikely to have much of an effect there.
 

nemesismk2

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I saw a post over at Neowin, where someone translated a post by Microsoft's Chinese division.

One of the interesting things that it points out is that 70% of Chinese XP systems don't get security updates in the first place (probably because it's all pirated, but they didn't say that), so as a result, the XP support shutoff is unlikely to have much of an effect there.

I saw that post too and it doesn't make for good reading. there are some people on other forums that think they are 100% safe because their windows 7/8 can't be effected by viruses which we all know they can be as much as windows xp. I will not even mention denial of service attacks or bot networks which windows xp systems are well known to be used for.
 

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I saw that post too and it doesn't make for good reading. there are some people on other forums that think they are 100% safe because their windows 7/8 can't be effected by viruses which we all know they can be as much as windows xp. I will not even mention denial of service attacks or bot networks which windows xp systems are well known to be used for.

Every new Windows OS improves security ie ,


Windows 8 is the most secure version of Windows ever. 21 times more secure than Windows XP, in fact, and 6 times more secure than Windows 7.
http://www.itworld.com/consumerizat...ecurity-threats-windows-8-according-microsoft

or this link for Win7 over XP,http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20063220-83.html
Windows 7 is four to five times less vulnerable to malware infections than is Windows XP.


I always say weakest link is the user,unfortunately that's something that's not 100% secure.
 
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pmv

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Every new Windows OS improves security ie ,


http://www.itworld.com/consumerizat...ecurity-threats-windows-8-according-microsoft

or this link for Win7 over XP,http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20063220-83.html



I always say weakest link is the user,unfortunately that's something that's not 100% secure.

I took the point of the comment to which you are replying as being that if lots of XP systems get infected that is likely to affect users of other OS's as well. That other OS's have better intrinsic security isn't quite the point - the more infected XP systems out there, the greater the scope for such things as zombie bot networks sending out spam, or DDOS attacks, etc.
Also can you be sure all the places that process your personal data don't have any XP weak-links?

Its just going to make for a riskier IT environment all-round.

At least computer viruses don't mutate the way organic ones do! Otherwise having a large pool of infectable hosts out there would mean sooner or later something would adapt to attack _you_!
 

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Lifer
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I took the point of the comment to which you are replying as being that if lots of XP systems get infected that is likely to affect users of other OS's as well. That other OS's have better intrinsic security isn't quite the point - the more infected XP systems out there, the greater the scope for such things as zombie bot networks sending out spam, or DDOS attacks, etc.
Also can you be sure all the places that process your personal data don't have any XP weak-links?

Its just going to make for a riskier IT environment all-round.

At least computer viruses don't mutate the way organic ones do! Otherwise having a large pool of infectable hosts out there would mean sooner or later something would adapt to attack _you_!

Another good reason to scrap XP,we don't want a very old OS full of security holes spreading viruses etc...
 

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Another good reason to scrap XP,we don't want a very old OS full of security holes spreading viruses etc...


I agree with that much (XP has had a long run, but fair enough, its a bit too old now), but MS really didn't help matters with its desktop-hostile approach to windows 8. Though I know we aren't going to agree on that.
 

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I agree with that much (XP has had a long run, but fair enough, its a bit too old now), but MS really didn't help matters with its desktop-hostile approach to windows 8. Though I know we aren't going to agree on that.


To be fair on Microsoft they are always improving security,I expect Win9 to have improved security over Win8.1,however its users(people) that spread and make viruses etc so nothing we can do about that.

Also this happened long before Win8 and will keep on going,one reason why I always upgrade to the latest OS(security improvements are always a good thing).


I could spin this around and say look at Linux and how more secure that is compared to Windows,http://www.pcworld.com/article/202452/why_linux_is_more_secure_than_windows.html

,as I stated earlier my old XP PC went over to a modern Linux,being free,more modern and more secure where did I go wrong?..Answer is nowhere.
 
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As a 9 year old member, one would think you'd know better than to attack other members and to attack the mods. Sadly, it appears you don't.
-ViRGE
 
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Raduque

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I haven't had a PC running Windows XP in many years.

It's time to see it laid to rest. Throw out those old PCs running XP and upgrade to modern hardware on a modern OS.
 

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You know, even if I was off my face on pills that post would still make zero sense. XP is a primitive antique. Its a relic back from when VHS was still in use. Back when security was a trifling addon at best. Back when today's internet didn't exist - XP was not built for 2007, never mind 2014. Come April, it will be a nasty malware infused nightmare.
 
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Matt1970

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I shall prepare some fine ale and snacks next month for the inevitable malware rush. A better browser will not protect you. Antimalware/virus will not protect you. XP is physically decrepit, it simply is not as secure as 7, never mind 8. It will be a hilarious nightmare.

If there were that many holes in XP waiting to be exploited people would be exploiting them already. There isn't going to be some magic switch get turned on April 8th that will allow everyone access to your PC. Microsoft only releases security patches the second Tuesday of each month anyways so there are always security gaps not to mention the people who don't even run updates to begin with.
 

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I've been in 4 cities the last month, and all the library internet computers in each one of them (~50 in each library) are all currently using XP (possibly one reason is because the computers are older?). How about in your city? A lot of people come in and use these things so I'm sure it adds up. I wonder if libraries will just buy/get the XP extended support when the time comes? One library uses Firefox 26 while another one had Firefox 16 and another one Firefox 10 (one person told me it was because Firefox 20+ uses more resources?) so it makes you wonder if they are even that concerned about being up to date security wise. Seems that some anandtech forum members make a bigger deal out of it than actual network administrators?

MS updates tried today to install a KB about when XP expires. Most likely that nag screen that was mentioned in one of the above posts. I turned it down, of course.
Thanks for the info. Another reason to be cautious/skeptical about "security updates".

If there were that many holes in XP waiting to be exploited people would be exploiting them already. There isn't going to be some magic switch get turned on April 8th that will allow everyone access to your PC. Microsoft only releases security patches the second Tuesday of each month anyways so there are always security gaps not to mention the people who don't even run updates to begin with.
That was my general reasoning also.
 

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If there were that many holes in XP waiting to be exploited people would be exploiting them already. There isn't going to be some magic switch get turned on April 8th that will allow everyone access to your PC. Microsoft only releases security patches the second Tuesday of each month anyways so there are always security gaps not to mention the people who don't even run updates to begin with.

Well stated, Matt. In my case it really means a new computer and about a weeks worth of work to get everything running that currently runs. But, . . . with a smile I'll do it and be thinking of this song by the late Skeeter Davis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_xw33lzvc&feature=kp
 

Red Squirrel

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If there were that many holes in XP waiting to be exploited people would be exploiting them already. There isn't going to be some magic switch get turned on April 8th that will allow everyone access to your PC. Microsoft only releases security patches the second Tuesday of each month anyways so there are always security gaps not to mention the people who don't even run updates to begin with.

This. I don't know why people think it will suddenly be less secure.

Heck, who says windows 7 and 8 are secure, if they were, they would not be having to release patches all the time.

You would think that by this time Microsoft would finally have a fully secure code base but they continue to introduce new exploits all the time. I almost wonder if it's somehow on purpose, perhaps these exploits act as backdoors but the minute a hacker figures it out they patch it and create a new backdoor. Not saying it's that, but it could be. Just seems absurd that a handful of highly trained devs who do it as their day job can't code something to be secure once and for all.
 

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This. I don't know why people think it will suddenly be less secure.

Heck, who says windows 7 and 8 are secure, if they were, they would not be having to release patches all the time.

You would think that by this time Microsoft would finally have a fully secure code base but they continue to introduce new exploits all the time. I almost wonder if it's somehow on purpose, perhaps these exploits act as backdoors but the minute a hacker figures it out they patch it and create a new backdoor. Not saying it's that, but it could be. Just seems absurd that a handful of highly trained devs who do it as their day job can't code something to be secure once and for all.

Win7/8 are more secure since they are redesigned OS ,new security features etc...WinXP is so old and times have changed,hackers have got smarter and plenty of time to figure out all the weak spots in XP OS which can't be fixed by a simple patch or two.

Personally I would never use an old OS like XP that has been replaced by newer and superior operating systems with better security, longer support span,not worth the risk,let XP RIP.


Don't try and kid yourself that XP is secure because its not,even Microsoft have stated XP has poor security and risks staying on it is bad http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micr...s-Face-Tremendous-Security-Risks-415291.shtml (also see my previous posts on links about how insecure XP is over 7/8).

You know my favourite saying about XP "you can only shave a wookie so many times" ie when it comes to patches and fixes for XP.
You want to stay on it fine but don't expect future support or rest of us to get dragged behind,we are moving forward as always especially where security is concerned.

5 Reasons to Dump Windows XP
http://windows.about.com/od/windowsosversions/a/win7beatsXP.htm


Windows XP Has Become a Security Nightmare, Says Expert


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-XP-Has-Become-a-Security-Nightmare-Says-Expert-390078.shtml


Now Clive Longbottom, service director at market watcher Quocirca, says that one of the reasons why Windows XP consumers should upgrade is the security offered by the operating system, pointing out that both Windows 7 and Windows 8 are by far more advanced.

“The platform is essentially 15 years old – and the world was a far different place back then. Attack vectors for Black Hats have changed, and whereas Windows 7 and Windows 8 have adapted to provide better built-in security, Windows XP is a security nightmare,” he was quoted as saying by IT Pro.

Microsoft will no longer release updates and security patches for Windows XP as of April 8, 2014, so in case you’re still running it, you have six more months to pick your next OS.
 
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escrow4

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If there were that many holes in XP waiting to be exploited people would be exploiting them already. There isn't going to be some magic switch get turned on April 8th that will allow everyone access to your PC. Microsoft only releases security patches the second Tuesday of each month anyways so there are always security gaps not to mention the people who don't even run updates to begin with.

They'll exploit them next month because Microsoft won't rush out an out of cycle patch nor will there be any Patch Tuesday's. Once support ends, everything ends. Those security gaps will be permanent.
 

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Win7/8 are more secure since they are redesigned OS ,new security features etc...WinXP is so old and times have changed,hackers have got smarter and plenty of time to figure out all the weak spots in XP OS which can't be fixed by a simple patch or two.

Windows XP has always been relatively vulnerable. I remember a test done here in Denmark around 2005. A fully patched XP SP2 machine was connected directly to the Internet, with default settings, it was infected with malware 2 minutes later...

Food for thought...
 

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Windows XP has always been relatively vulnerable. I remember a test done here in Denmark around 2005. A fully patched XP SP2 machine was connected directly to the Internet, with default settings, it was infected with malware 2 minutes later...

Food for thought...


It's not me you have to convince but XP users here .
 

mikeymikec

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This. I don't know why people think it will suddenly be less secure.

Because security flaws are being found all the time that as of next month will no longer be fixed.

Heck, who says windows 7 and 8 are secure, if they were, they would not be having to release patches all the time.
If the holes are being fixed (ie. through Windows Update), they're more secure. Furthermore, there are security features in newer versions of Windows such as ASLR and UAC. These raise the bar for malware designers.

I wish I knew why DEP wasn't completely enabled on newer versions of Windows though. I enable it everywhere I go.
 
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Matt_Stevens

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Simple fact is with a failing economy most people who have XP cannot afford to buy a new system. They don't have the money. Upgrading to Windows 7 or 8 won't work because their old systems cannot handle it. I know plenty of people who have XP and cannot upgrade. Plenty who will not upgrade and hell, plenty who had Vista and went DOWN to XP!

These folks are reality and while Microsoft needs to do what they need to do, their Windows 8 release was a true debacle and turned off the masses. My system can easily handle Windows 8, but I ain't touching it. I'll stick with 7 and hope that with 9 they hit it out of the park.
 

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Simple fact is with a failing economy most people who have XP cannot afford to buy a new system. They don't have the money. Upgrading to Windows 7 or 8 won't work because their old systems cannot handle it. I know plenty of people who have XP and cannot upgrade. Plenty who will not upgrade and hell, plenty who had Vista and went DOWN to XP!

These folks are reality and while Microsoft needs to do what they need to do, their Windows 8 release was a true debacle and turned off the masses. My system can easily handle Windows 8, but I ain't touching it. I'll stick with 7 and hope that with 9 they hit it out of the park.

Complete crap(with respect to you),they are either too cheap to upgrade either software or hardware ie a newer Windows OS like Win7 or can't be bothered to use Linux(freebie and superior to XP in many ways) providing they don't need Windows based software.

End of the day it's their choice and fault if they want to stay on a dead OS like XP,and yes I have used them all including Linux distros.

I'll take Win8 or even Vista over XP any time.

I could also argue how many of those XP users using pirated version of XP?..I bet too many to mention.
 
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Complete crap,they are either too cheap to upgrade either software or hardware ie a newer Windows OS like Win7 or can't be bothered to use Linux(freebie and superior to XP in many ways) providing they don't need Windows based software.

End of the day it's their choice and fault if they want to stay on a dead OS like XP,and yes I have used them all including Linux distros. I'll take Win8 or even Vista over XP any time.

I could also argue how many of those XP users using pirated version of XP?..I bet too many to mention.

That is an incredibly rude response. My aunt, who lost her husband, was denied insurance, was hit by a drunk driver and who is on disability, has an older XP Pro system. it works absolutely fine. She does not need a new computer. She does not need a new OS.

And she could never afford either anyway.

So just **** her then, right? There are plenty of people just like her who are going to be left out in the cold. Those who can afford to upgrade should. But there are a hell of a lot of people who simply cannot buy a new computer or afford to spend $100 on an O.S. that is too big and bloated for an old system.

And my aunt's XP came with her system, so thanks for falsely accusing her of piracy.
 
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