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Torn Mind

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2. We have such an overwhelming amount of opportunities & information available that it's easy to fall into possibility paralysis & go into stasis. Sometimes I'll surf Pinterest for ideas of what to cook & then end up eating a bowl of cereal for dinner because my brain trips a circuit hahaha.
More like simply guzzling down Porn for many men.
 

Muse

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Windows ME is the only “current at the time” version of Windows I ever removed. I upgraded from Windows 98 to ME and couldn’t believe how awful and unstable it was. I bought and installed a copy of Windows 2000 Professional and risked incompatibility with some of my software just to get rid of ME. Windows 2000 is probably still my favorite OS from Microsoft.

As far as XP goes, I have an old laptop with a GeForce 6800 which can still play some of the classic games I used to play, but I haven’t booted it in years.
Hmm. I still have my installation disks of Windows 2000 Professional. I could install it on my XP machines! Don't know if it would be better. My mid-tower running XP refuses to come out of S3 sleep mode, which is a bitch because the machine is used for programmed recordings. The previous motherboard had no problem but it went belly up and the replacement board has never succeeded in coming out of suspend. Maybe with Win2000? I could install it on one of the partitions and experiment with it...
 

Fritzo

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I scored a sweet deal with Microsoft where I got XP Professional, a baseball, a Bill Gates baseball card, and a lava lamp full of X's and P's for $99. Good times. Still have the lamp!

 

Fritzo

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It's really crazy what has happened since the 80's, technology-wise. That book by Tim Berners-Lee is so interesting because it essentially boiled down to him having the lightbulb moment of hyperlinks between data on different computers, which eventually lead to the insane amount of worldwide networking we enjoy today!
I would argue the TCP/IP protocol was even more of a "lightbulb" moment as it laid the foundation of giving computers "phone numbers" to access them from any location. Networking protocols were very primitive and limited before this.
 

manly

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I would argue the TCP/IP protocol was even more of a "lightbulb" moment as it laid the foundation of giving computers "phone numbers" to access them from any location. Networking protocols were very primitive and limited before this.
Sure, TCP/IP is more foundational than almost anything else. However, the ARPANET had been around for a while and was mainly used by education and research. It wasn't until HTTP dropped that the Internet became democratized for the unwashed masses.

That book @Kaido linked above, Where Wizards Stay Up Late, is a good read.
 
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Muse

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I scored a sweet deal with Microsoft where I got XP Professional, a baseball, a Bill Gates baseball card, and a lava lamp full of X's and P's for $99. Good times. Still have the lamp!

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I got a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate on an optical disk provided my programming user group by Microsoft. I won it as a door prize at one of our monthly meetings. I used it on my best laptop. That disk also had some installs in German! It was evidently produced for promotional purposes. Still have that disk, and that Lenovo T1 laptop, but I no longer use it. The T1 was said to be the greatest Thinkpad, maybe still is so regarded, but it's dog slow compared to this P1. Had an 8GB memory limitation.
 
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Fritzo

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I got a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate on an optical disk provided my programming user group by Microsoft. I won it as a door prize at one of our monthly meetings. I used it on my best laptop. That disk also had some installs in German! It was evidently produced for promotional purposes. Still have that disk, and that Lenovo T1 laptop, but I no longer use it. The T1 was said to be the greatest Thinkpad, maybe still is so regarded, but it's dog slow compared to this P1. Had an 8GB memory limitation.
The T series was legendary- they were indestructible I still have some T20's and T43s laying around the office.
 
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Kaido

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Windows ME is the only “current at the time” version of Windows I ever removed. I upgraded from Windows 98 to ME and couldn’t believe how awful and unstable it was. I bought and installed a copy of Windows 2000 Professional and risked incompatibility with some of my software just to get rid of ME. Windows 2000 is probably still my favorite OS from Microsoft.

As far as XP goes, I have an old laptop with a GeForce 6800 which can still play some of the classic games I used to play, but I haven’t booted it in years.

tbh the modern emulation is pretty good. You can sometimes pick up a VMware Pro license on eBay for like $15 & try out DirectX in XP using "Accelerate 3D graphics" if you have a decent video card on your host machine!
 
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I was pissed when they dropped Media Center and the included streaming (can't remember what it was called).
 

BUTCH1

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The UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook is still one of my favorite textbooks & I review it regularly:


When I got my first cubicle job in IT after college, I was all hot-to-trot on open-source stuff. I was going to change the world! Then I realized that there are only 16 hours of waking time available in a day, and only one of me, and I had 100 employees to support, and I couldn't sit there & monkey around with PFsense or FreeNAS all day trying to troubleshoot problems, which is why paying companies like Barracuda to manage the firewall nonsense started to make sense. And even troubleshooting viruses on computers...I couldn't sit there for 6 hours figuring it out, I needed to wipe the machine & get it back up & running so an employee didn't have to waste their entire day.

Although these days, everything is better. Windows 10 is pretty decent, not as good as 7 yet, but pretty good. I prefer Malwarebytes, as it does anti-virus now, plus has some really insane proactive features like EDR, and love to use Macrium for desktop & server backups, which has cryptolocker protection built-in these days. A 100TB NAS is under $10k these days. Although so many companies are going to the cloud, and DaaS, while in its infancy still, is looming.

It is crazy to see how Linux has grown. I was a really bag fan of Linux From Scratch back in the day:


And still like to monkey with Raspberry Pi boards. And today you can buy a $30 Linux smartwatch:


Android launched 12 years ago, back in 2008, using a modified Linux kernel. Which is now available as a factory option in the form of Android Auto direct from vehicle manufacturers:


And Jeff Nelson wrote Google OS in 2006, which was launched as Google Chrome OS in 2009, which become what we know as Chromebooks today:


And then came full-circle, letting Chromebooks run Android apps on them using a shared kernel in protected mode:


And now you can get Bluestacks, a free Android emulator, for Windows:


And of course, Microsoft had to join in with the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), with WSL2 adding a real Linux kernel with full system call capabilities:


It's really fun reading computer history, especially as I was born in the early 80's & computers became a part of my childhood growing up, as we got to see all of this unfold.

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I had no idea that in 2021, I'd be addicted to 1-minute videos on TikTok on a tiny color screen streaming wirelessly in the palm of my hand & preventing me from falling asleep at a reasonable hour, hahaha! Tim Berners-Lee wrote a fun book called "Weaving the Web: The Original Design and Ultimate Destiny of the World Wide Web" that's worth a read (audiobook version also available!)


Another really good book is "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet" from 1996, which is one of the best histories of the Internet I've read:


I've posted about this before, but before she passed, I always enjoyed talking to my grandma about technology. She was born in the depression & lived to be nearly 100 years old. She was born just decades after the Wright Brother's first flight, then saw WWII, the Jet Age, men landing on the moon, Roomba's, flat-screen TV's you could hang on the wall, Facetime video calls, and Alexa reading you books & setting timers when verbally asked. We really live in a golden age of technology! Last year I picked up a 12.9" iPad Pro with the Pencil 2.0 & do everything from 2D vector artwork to 3D CAD on it. I design stuff to run on my vinyl cutter, CNC machine, laser machine, and 3D printer...all of which I own & live in my basement! You can get an AMAZING 3D printer for less than the price of a Playstation these days!

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I also have an Oculus wireless VR headset (base version is $300 & comes with a built-in computer that has roughly PS3 graphics!) & can use it draw in 3D, play games, stream games wirelessly from my computer under Steam, etc. Everything is like magic these days!

LOL, when I was in High school, ('70-'74) we had a teletype connected to a computer somewhere in downtown Boston, you could write simple BASIC program's and stuff but not much more. When "Pong" and "tank" hit the local bowling ally we all had to rush over to enjoy the technological wizardry on display!. Now, with VR technology one can literally be completely immersed in another world, it's insane. I don't fly often so when I do I still marvel at air travel, I mean really, you step into the giant metal bird and get whisked away at 500+ MPH, think of how crappy it was to live in an era where this was not possible.
 
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Muse

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The T series was legendary- they were indestructible I still have some T20's and T43s laying around the office.
I have two T60's and one T61. Yup, indestructible!!! One T60 I bought new in 2006. It's running Win10 32bit because I need 32bit to support a couple of applications. The other I bought for parts off Ebay and fixed it. Only thing wrong was a configuration issue. It's running XP, in fact this very minute, recording my radio show off FM.
 

BUTCH1

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Think how peaceful it was when they weren't flying over your house all the time.
That's a valid point, noise pollution is a huge stress for many. Around here, (Daytona), we have Embry riddle aeronautical university, one of the biggest pilot training schools around, the students all fly below 1,500Ft and there may be as many as 8-12 Cessana 170's around at one time and they prop drone gets so loud with the windows open, (during cooler months) it's hard to hear the TV or talk on the phone.
 

IndyColtsFan

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tbh the modern emulation is pretty good. You can sometimes pick up a VMware Pro license on eBay for like $15 & try out DirectX in XP using "Accelerate 3D graphics" if you have a decent video card on your host machine!

No need, those games generally work on Windows 10. I was just thinking about reincarnating the old laptop to play some Star Wars Galaxies while lounging around on the couch or in my recliner, but my new Legion 7 with an R9-5900 and a 3080 GPU will be here in a few days.
 
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Kaido

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LOL, when I was in High school, ('70-'74) we had a teletype connected to a computer somewhere in downtown Boston, you could write simple BASIC program's and stuff but not much more. When "Pong" and "tank" hit the local bowling ally we all had to rush over to enjoy the technological wizardry on display!. Now, with VR technology one can literally be completely immersed in another world, it's insane. I don't fly often so when I do I still marvel at air travel, I mean really, you step into the giant metal bird and get whisked away at 500+ MPH, think of how crappy it was to live in an era where this was not possible.

The fact that you can buy real, wireless, standalone VR for $299 is insane lol.

Yeah, air travel is nuts! 150 years ago it took pioneers 3 months to get to where they were going. Now it's 8 hours from one side of the country to the other non-stop, and you get to watch a movie & eat snacks the whole time haha.
 

sdifox

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No need, those games generally work on Windows 10. I was just thinking about reincarnating the old laptop to play some Star Wars Galaxies while lounging around on the couch or in my recliner, but my new Legion 7 with an R9-5900 and a 3080 GPU will be here in a few days.

Do not put that directly on your lap lol. You'll be branded.
 

Scarpozzi

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I'll never forget unboxing a brand-spanking new EMC Clariion CX3-80 and setting it up. A year or so into working with it, it needed to be updated/patched. I was working on the unit and had to connect to a back-end console. Guess what OS EMC was using for their precious storage processor?



Windows XP-Embedded....
 

Scarpozzi

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That's actually pretty hilarious. I would expect something like that running a highly custom Linux kernel or something lol.
EMC was rock solid and XP was too when you think about it. It was a stripped down windows kernel with only minimal network services using proven drivers from the Fibre-Channel chip manufacturers. Those are the kinds of systems you put on their own management VLAN to nowhere....so they don't really need much network security and should never be subjected to typical outside attacks if you have any sense.

I still shake my head at my current organization.
 

Captante

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The one positive thing I can think of with ME was that it genuinely did improve USB support and alternate methods of Windows installation.

Beyond that it was a steaming pile of crap for the most part and had no good reason to even exist.

I actually got a full pre-release copy of ME for free from M$ and it was worth every penny it cost. (still have it too lol)
 

PingSpike

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I've heard Windows ME improved with updates but I never ran it. I recall it being a crashing dumpster fire on my friends PC.
 
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