Wine bar customer writes expletive on $300 check to protest $6 service charge ... lulz

[Fenixgoon]

He was probably a cook resentful of the waiters.

But I've said it, cooks are underpaid. But that's not the waiters fault, that's the owners fault and a society that places little value on many kinds of hard work. But to say that wages should get higher for those kinds of jobs and they should have healthcare, that call you a socialist.

Conservatives are terrible

in other news, CEO of a megaconglomerate claims it's not his role to increase workers' pay

Bernie Sanders: Pay your workers better. Warren Buffett: That's not my job | CNN Business

Warren Buffett, the ninth-richest person on the planet, says it's not up to him to settle a strike by 450 steelworkers at a company he owns.

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bullshit buffet. your policy might be to let subsidiaries be independently run, but policies can change very quickly if you want them to. pay your workers more. they're your workers.

 

[killster1]

in other news, CEO of a megaconglomerate claims it's not his role to increase workers' pay

Bernie Sanders: Pay your workers better. Warren Buffett: That's not my job | CNN Business

Warren Buffett, the ninth-richest person on the planet, says it's not up to him to settle a strike by 450 steelworkers at a company he owns.

www.cnn.com

bullshit buffet. your policy might be to let subsidiaries be independently run, but policies can change very quickly if you want them to. pay your workers more. they're your workers.

yea they deserve more pay but strikes are tough to deal with since you dont want that kinda negotiating. just hire 450 new people that would work 10 years ago but finally workers have a little strength since they are needed.. But only until the robots take over. then we wont be tipping unless its a oil snack or something ;P

 

[Bitek]

Fuck that, I'm with the person in the article.

I would have had no problem if the prices of my drinks went up 2% to cover it and it was hidden in the cost, but to add that blatant "fee", fuck that noise.

I am a good tipper and eat at nice restaurants pretty much every night when I am on vacation, and there is nothing that grinds my gears more than having a pre-designated fee added to my bill. I will gladly pay it and they pretty much always disclose it on the menu prior, some sort of service fee/charge, however if I do get that automatic service fee, they get $0 extra.

Chances are if they didn't automatically add a charge, my tip would have been more than the automated service charge.

+1. It's a dick move.

Happy the waitress had insurance, I typically tip well, but the way this was structured it seems to be intentionally inflammatory. If I just dropped 300 on wine, don't fucking nickel and dime me over tacky "fees" to make a statement. FU.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Dude, I'm taking about a massage place at the mall, not a restaurant. I see how they clean between each person now and before it's exactly the same and they've always provided hand sanitizer and there is no menu.

But like I said, they haven't raised their prices in 10 years, they should raise their prices.

Surcharges are almost always used as a way to make the advertised price cheaper than the real price. This is why hotels use them, this is why airlines use them, etc. For a restaurant that is actually doing stuff for COVID a temporary surcharge might make sense. A restaurant adding a surcharge to cover a forever cost like employees minimum wage or benefits is just a way making their prices look lower.

ETA: The massage place did spray and wipe down the beds for awhile, but they stopped doing that and didn't remove the surcharge.

My apologies, I missed the massage place in your first comment. Why I thought you where talking about the food industry or rather a wine bar/ restaurant, since it's what the topic is about. However, it doesn't really change what I said. There are more costs and cleaning measures even a massage place has to take due to the pandemic that you don't see. Such as wiping down the whole store after hours, deep cleaning every station, etc. A quick sanitation wipe between customers and a nightly deep cleaning after hours when nobody is around are not the same thing. That's all I am saying, don't assume they are not doing anything different because they make it appear they are not.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'm not really opposed to itemizing.


But it's been at least ten years, maybe fifteen since I've been in a restaurant or bar or anything similar, so ....

 

[NWRMidnight]

yea i know exactly what is like to be waitstaff, I have been a waiter and i also was a chef/ cook before in the same restaurants and guess what.. the waiters ran everything even the managers would wait on tables to get tips. The waiter has constant free time can eat snacks order food for yourself.. the cook is sweating the whole time making less money eating nothing.

so you are complaining about a management problem where they allowed their servers to just sit around with all this free time, rather than deep clean and such, and never allowed their cooks to have breaks, breaking laws and such? BTW, there isn't a kitchen in the world where the cooks don't eat during their shift. Claiming otherwise is a straight up lie.

wow lots to read but I can guarantee that i made more was a waiter then as a cook and I sweated about 1/10th the amount. Sure lifting those trays would be a hard task if you are a little girl. waiters are always over paid and over complain about their work. The worst thing is the party of 10 with kids stomping on food on the ground everywhere hahaha. Maybe some people need to use mental acuity to remember a menu or order, it didn't seem to be a issue. When you have a background of actual work then being on your feet for 8 hours as a waiter really isn't a issue.

Servers are always over paid at $2.85 to $3.35 an hour in 2/3 of the country, plus tips? A background of actual work? You obviously never worked in a busy restaurant when you think that servers just sit around eating food all day. IF serving is not hard work, and it's such an easy job, why you complaining about a party of 10 with kids stomping food into the ground and such? Get back to me/us when you take parties of 30 to 40 by yourself and still give good service and deliver hot food. Anyone can throw food on the table, that doesn't take skill of any sort, but that isn't being a server. I have worked in restaurants that are slammed from the time they are open till the time they are closed.. There wasn't time to breath much less think about free time.. All you have shown is you never really worked in a place that was busy enough to warrant hard work. It's like saying you work hard digging ditches all day.. when the truth is you only picked up a shovel and moved dirt around for 15 minutes.

The fact that you think the mental acuity skill is about remembering menu items or orders shows just how unskilled you are as a server. The skill of memory acuity isn't about knowing the menu, or remembering an order so you can go put it thru the kitchen (even though not everyone can retain such information for even that short of time, which in itself is a skill). it goes well beyond that, heck, well beyond that single visit from that customer.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm not really opposed to itemizing.


But it's been at least ten years, maybe fifteen since I've been in a restaurant or bar or anything similar, so ....

So, I'm not gonna ask about your life story here, but you just admitted to being VERY out of touch with the majority of planet earth.
why not go out and try some restauranting and see how it works these days?

 

[killster1]

so you are complaining about a management problem where they allowed their servers to just sit around with all this free time, rather than deep clean and such, and never allowed their cooks to have breaks, breaking laws and such? BTW, there isn't a kitchen in the world where the cooks don't eat during their shift. Claiming otherwise is a straight up lie.


Servers are always over paid at $2.85 to $3.35 an hour in 2/3 of the country, plus tips? A background of actual work? You obviously never worked in a busy restaurant when you think that servers just sit around eating food all day. IF serving is not hard work, and it's such an easy job, why you complaining about a party of 10 with kids stomping food into the ground and such? Get back to me/us when you take parties of 30 to 40 by yourself and still give good service and deliver hot food. Anyone can throw food on the table, that doesn't take skill of any sort, but that isn't being a server. I have worked in restaurants that are slammed from the time they are open till the time they are closed.. There wasn't time to breath much less think about free time.. All you have shown is you never really worked in a place that was busy enough to warrant hard work. It's like saying you work hard digging ditches all day.. when the truth is you only picked up a shovel and moved dirt around for 15 minutes.

The fact that you think the mental acuity skill is about remembering menu items or orders shows just how unskilled you are as a server. The skill of memory acuity isn't about knowing the menu, or remembering an order so you can go put it thru the kitchen (even though not everyone can retain such information for even that short of time, which in itself is a skill). it goes well beyond that, heck, well beyond that single visit from that customer.

i stopped reading when you said the cooks eat while cooking... LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not even once..

what kinda operation lets a server take a order of 40 by themselves? Lemme guess you cooked the food too! hahaha enjoyed the laugh, not how it works in this part of the world.


where do you make 2$ a hour?

 

[IronWing]

i stopped reading when you said the cooks eat while cooking... LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not even once..

what kinda operation lets a server take a order of 40 by themselves? Lemme guess you cooked the food too! hahaha enjoyed the laugh, not how it works in this part of the world.


where do you make 2$ a hour?
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Here you go. The mimimum cash wage is $2.13.

Tipped Employee Minimum Wage Laws By State 2024

www.minimum-wage.org

 

[killster1]

Here you go. The mimimum cash wage is $2.13.

Tipped Employee Minimum Wage Laws By State 2024

www.minimum-wage.org

i am wrong yes yes it seems so many states count tips into your wages, however the wages i made at the time most likely around 6 bucks a hour and i didnt really worry about them as much as the cash in my pocket from easy suckers who think tipping Huge is a great idea.

 

[MrSquished]

Just an admitted disgruntled cook who worked for a couple restaurants that were poorly managed and owned and who knows nothing about wages for servers and admits he screws then over in tips when he goes out to eat because he thinks they do just about no work and get paid actual minimum wage. Total ignorant asshole. Nothing more to see here folks. Always knew what he was by his posts. What a total dbag in all ways.

 

[killster1]

Just an admitted disgruntled cook who worked for a couple restaurants that were poorly managed and owned and who knows nothing about wages for servers and screws then over in tips when he goes out to eat because he thinks they do just about no work and get paid actual minimum wage. Total ignorant asshole. Nothing more to see here folks. Always knew what he was by his posts.

lulz it doesnt change anything they work at min wage just like others.. the tips are always to much for the skill and labor of the work. we need to start tipping everyone (which i do actually tip everyone but not in America only when im in my own country)

here in usa if the server checks on me after i get my correct order they are getting a good tip for sure!! thats all i want is my shit and to check if its right.

 

[MrSquished]

lulz it doesnt change anything they work at min wage just like others.. the tips are always to much for the skill and labor of the work. we need to start tipping everyone (which i do actually tip everyone but not in America only when im in my own country)

here in usa if the server checks on me after i get my correct order they are getting a good tip for sure!! thats all i want is my shit and to check if its right.

It changes everything in this discussion. You don't tip because 1) you are a douchebag that undervalues labor based on a couple experiences of your own in poorly run restaurants and 2)you don't even know what servers get paid and 3) all your posting history shows you are a dbag so this is not surprising at all to me really and 4) why should everyone make minimum wage. This just really proves what an ignorant a-hole you are even when you just go out to restaurants.

Drop dead loser.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

We used to go to Pizza Hut all the time in the '70s/'80s, I remember those red plastic cups they gave you for soda. I dug up a menu from supposedly 1975, Pizza Hut menu, 1975. : VintageMenus (reddit.com) , $5.70 for large thin crust supreme pizza. About $30 in today's dollar. I cannot really say if it was better then, but I enjoyed it when I was a kid.

Haha those red cups take me back. Like once a week in high school a couple of my friends and I would walk down to the Pizza Hut a mile away at lunch and pool our money to buy one lunch buffet and share it (no one said shit at the restaurant) and then show back up to school halfway into the class after lunch lol. Fucking COVID killing off their amazing lunch buffet.

 

[NWRMidnight]

i stopped reading when you said the cooks eat while cooking... LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not even once..

what kinda operation lets a server take a order of 40 by themselves? Lemme guess you cooked the food too! hahaha enjoyed the laugh, not how it works in this part of the world.


where do you make 2$ a hour?
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Nearly every state that pays federal minimum wage only has to pay their servers $2.13 to $3.35 an hour due to tip credit laws. So you have shown you have no clue about what you are arguing.

As for your " I stopped reading" crap, you have proven you can't even comprehend what you read. No where did I say they eat while cooking. I said they eat during their shift. Which you claim cooks don't get to eat during their shift, which is false. So you stopped reading so you can manipulate and twist what I said, aka continue lying. bravo.

What part of the world are you referring to? The part of the world that let's their servers be lazy, not actually work, sit around eating food all day, hence the places you worked that give you the impression that waiting tables is easy? Maybe if you actually worked on the field legitimately, where it's always busy, and you actually had to work hard, you would have a clue and an actual understanding. All you do is confirm you don't possess the skills to be a good, successful server, never actually worked in a busy establishment where you actually had to work and not sit on your ass eating and doing nothing. Which is why you have the attitude you do. Sounds like you are a one to two table server, aka a rookie or incompetent one.

Hell, I am 52 years old, have been out of the restaurant business for a number of years, and haven't actually waited on tables for many years before that, and I am 100% positive I could run circles around you with my eyes closed, even with the arthritis in my hips. You are just pathetic.

 

[killster1]

Nearly every state that pays federal minimum wage only has to pay their servers $2.13 to $3.35 an hour due to tip credit laws. So you have shown you have no clue about what you are arguing.

As for your " I stopped reading" crap, you have proven you can't even comprehend what you read. No where did I say they eat while cooking. I said they eat during their shift. Which you claim cooks don't get to eat during their shift, which is false. So you stopped reading so you can manipulate and twist what I said, aka continue lying. bravo.

What part of the world are you referring to? The part of the world that let's their servers be lazy, not actually work, sit around eating food all day, hence the places you worked that give you the impression that waiting tables is easy? Maybe if you actually worked on the field legitimately, where it's always busy, and you actually had to work hard, you would have a clue and an actual understanding. All you do is confirm you don't possess the skills to be a good, successful server, never actually worked in a busy establishment where you actually had to work and not sit on your ass eating and doing nothing. Which is why you have the attitude you do. Sounds like you are a one to two table server, aka a rookie or incompetent one.

Hell, I am 52 years old, have been out of the restaurant business for a number of years, and haven't actually waited on tables for many years before that, and I am 100% positive I could run circles around you with my eyes closed, even with the arthritis in my hips. You are just pathetic.

yea during your shift is WHILE YOUR WORKING.. not on your lunch break of course who the hell in the world doesnt get to eat on their lunch break(if you get to take one)? (i have worked plenty of jobs where i didnt even receive a lunch break and a cook was one of them. often i would not get a break for the entire 8 hours working alone or with one other person but you are some know it all expert right Every kitchen in the world!!!!

you can run circles around me? lulz what is this competition? you think its some hard task to wait on tables? how about you try construction or concrete then talk about circles. i think you have a misconception of what working hard is.. walking around fast carry small things is not working hard.

 

[MrSquished]

yea during your shift is WHILE YOUR WORKING.. not on your lunch break of course who the hell in the world doesnt get to eat on their lunch break(if you get to take one)? (i have worked plenty of jobs where i didnt even receive a lunch break and a cook was one of them. often i would not get a break for the entire 8 hours working alone or with one other person but you are some know it all expert right Every kitchen in the world!!!!

you can run circles around me? lulz what is this competition? you think its some hard task to wait on tables? how about you try construction or concrete then talk about circles. i think you have a misconception of what working hard is.. walking around fast carry small things is not working hard.

Nobody is arguing that construction work is not very hard or shouldn't be paid really well with benefits you idiot.

You are so dumb it hurts my brain.

 

[killster1]

Nobody is arguing that construction work is not very hard or shouldn't be paid really well with benefits you idiot.

You are so dumb it hurts my brain.

everyone is arguing that being a server is so tough and grueling. they deserve every last penny they get. But its NOT HARD, ITS CAKE WORK IS MY OPINION AND DOESNT DESERVE GREAT TIPS. you walk around quickly remembering to refill drinks and kiss butts.. really 0 skill job unless you cant remember to be fake nice.

 

[BurnItDwn]

everyone is arguing that being a server is so tough and grueling. they deserve every last penny they get. But its NOT HARD, ITS CAKE WORK IS MY OPINION AND DOESNT DESERVE GREAT TIPS. you walk around quickly remembering to refill drinks and kiss butts.. really 0 skill job unless you cant remember to be fake nice.

So, in short, Baking Cakes is difficult, like being a server.

 

[MrSquished]

everyone is arguing that being a server is so tough and grueling. they deserve every last penny they get. But its NOT HARD, ITS CAKE WORK IS MY OPINION AND DOESNT DESERVE GREAT TIPS. you walk around quickly remembering to refill drinks and kiss butts.. really 0 skill job unless you cant remember to be fake nice.

You are just an admitted disgruntled cook and as a waiter nobody respected you so even the busboys stole your tips, as you admitted.

Nobody liked you including the people and owner you worked with or for. No food breaks, stolen tips, underpaid, and now you are angry. And you don't even know basic facts like how much waitstaff are paid. And you go out to eat and admitted to barely tipping staff because of your ignorance and assholeness. Nobody likes people like that screw over staff like that at all.

So sad.

 

[kn51]

Haha those red cups take me back. Like once a week in high school a couple of my friends and I would walk down to the Pizza Hut a mile away at lunch and pool our money to buy one lunch buffet and share it (no one said shit at the restaurant) and then show back up to school halfway into the class after lunch lol. Fucking COVID killing off their amazing lunch buffet.

There is something nostalgic about Pizza Hut style cups. We bought eight of them for the house and they get used everyday. Heck I'm drinking out of one right now and marvel at its simplicity and perfect proportions.

As for chain pizza prices, it does amaze me how "cheap" they are compared to the past and have wondered if indeed they were better back in the good old days when I was a kid. Looking at that 1975 menu, drink prices have increased 10x vs about 2,5x for pizza.

 

[sdifox]

It'd be much better to raise prices 2%, then have a blurb on your menu about how great you treat your employees.

Programming the cashier system is cheaper than printing new menus.

 

[NWRMidnight]

yea during your shift is WHILE YOUR WORKING.. not on your lunch break of course who the hell in the world doesnt get to eat on their lunch break(if you get to take one)? (i have worked plenty of jobs where i didnt even receive a lunch break and a cook was one of them. often i would not get a break for the entire 8 hours working alone or with one other person but you are some know it all expert right Every kitchen in the world!!!!

you can run circles around me? lulz what is this competition? you think its some hard task to wait on tables? how about you try construction or concrete then talk about circles. i think you have a misconception of what working hard is.. walking around fast carry small things is not working hard.

Who's the one here bitching about a 10 top and and kids, and who can't fathom being able to successfully take care of a 40 top? Yet keeps saying serving is easy. Sure hell isn't me.

Again, no where does eating during a shift indicate eating while cooking (however real legitimate cooks do). Are you also trying to imply all a cook does is cook? And they never take any small rest breaks outside of normal breaks. There isn't a kitchen in the world that a cook hasn't/doesn't eat while working (outside their normal breaks). Specially since being a good legitimate cook, requires you to taste test thru out the day, to ensure it's seasoned properly, taste correct, and to sustain quality, etc.

Please keep posting so we all can see just how little you worked in a legitimate restaurant, and please keep throwing out how the ONE shithole you did work at, was extremely pourly managed. And l the other shitty law breaking companies you have worked for.

I grew up working in construction, as my dad has owned two plumbing businesses. I have worked since I was 8 years old, and my social security record can prove it. my resume will put yours to shame. I've dug ditches for hours on end, day after day, and it's a hell of a lot easier on your body and your mental health than a server who actually works hard (not you) I've worked with concrete, electrical, varies stages of construction, as well as cabinet manufacturing, window manufacturing, commercial light manufacturing, and joined the military all before the age of 21. I have 25+ years in the hospitality industry (restaurants) and currently I am a steel working working in an industrial aluminum mill.

So please spare me the "you don't know hard work" bullshit. Your attitude tells me you could pick any field, even something I have never done, and I would still run circles around you, because I have integrity and a legitimate work ethic, something your attitude, and posts have demonstrated you don't have. But I was referring to serving. I have no issues schooling you on the proper way to serve and show you how a real server works hard, all while giving great service. But of course it would take a busy restaurant, not the pourly ran slow like place you say you served at.

 

[ch33zw1z]

everyone is arguing that being a server is so tough and grueling. they deserve every last penny they get. But its NOT HARD, ITS CAKE WORK IS MY OPINION AND DOESNT DESERVE GREAT TIPS. you walk around quickly remembering to refill drinks and kiss butts.. really 0 skill job unless you cant remember to be fake nice.

Cool story bro

 

[ch33zw1z]

I worked food service for 8 years. Both cooks and staff work their butts off. It's often a thankless endeavor, probably due to shitty attitudes like killster here has. He's probably one of the worst customers to have, similar to the guy complaining about $6 on top of his $300 bill because how dare the venue advertise they treat employees like people.