Wine Drinkers..

iotone

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Red: Qupe Syrah
White: Brander Sauvingon Blanc
Sparkling: La Caudrina Moscato D'Asti
 

Descartes

Lifer
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I don't drink brands or flavors, but I do drink regions, producers and varietals

My favorite regions in no particular order:

- Washington: Columbia Valley. Good Rieslings and Cabernet Sauvignons at a reasonable value.
- Oregon: Willamette Valley, Yamhill County. Varied in quality, but there's some notions of Burgundian virtue in some of the better examples.
- California: Carneros, Russian River. Mostly Pinot Noir.
- France: Bordeaux. Specifically, I love the right-bank St Emilion and Pomerol. If I were to choose a west-bank I'd go with the Pauilliac or St Estephe.
- France: Loire. I typically drink Pouilly Fume or Muscadet.
- France: Burgundy. Vosne Romanee, Chassagne-Montrachet, Puligny-Montrachet, Gevrey-Chambertin (my favorite), and Volnay (another favorite).
- France: North and South Rhone. Chateauneuf du Pape of course. I have this Clos des Papes Chateauneuf du Pape that I'm waiting to drink.... in about 10 damn years. One of the best wines in the world.
- France: Alsace. I love Alsatian Rieslings. Absolutely fantastic. They also make a Pinot Blanc that's very light and refreshing, but you don't find it that often.
- Spain: Rioja mostly. Not all that versed in Spanish wines but there are great values here.
- Italy: Barbaresco. They have the capacity to be fantastic.
- Italy: Piedmont. Barolos are some of my favorite wines, but they are getting incredibly expensive.

This is getting too long. There are so many great regions in the world, including the new worlds like New Zealand, Chile (great cabs), South Africa, and Australia of course. Don't worry about brands, labels, or anything else. Buy by the region first, the producer next and the year last. Don't limit yourself to specific labels, and for god's sake don't limit yourself to the mass-produced nonsense like Yellow Tail.
 

BooGiMaN

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what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines
 

Descartes

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.
 

BooGiMaN

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.

i know you have a vast knowledge of wines ..please point me to some forums or sites that introduce newbs to this world
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.

we are finally doing wine samplings at work.

last night my favorite was the Chateau Ste Michelle Reisling.
Honig Sauvignon blanc is meh but not bad.
 

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.

we are finally doing wine samplings at work.

last night my favorite was the Chateau Ste Michelle Reisling.
Honig Sauvignon blanc is meh but not bad.

:thumbsup:

Chateau Ste Michelle is one of my favorite producers as they are consistent and a reasonable value. They rather pioneered Riesling in Washington, and hopefully many more will follow suit.

I'm not much of a Sauvignon Blanc fan. I like my whites with more minerality and herbaceousness than fruit, and a lot of Sauvignon Blancs have a really cloying gooseberry sensation. Not bad, but not to my liking.

A white wine that tastes like graphite and grass == :thumbsup: to me
 

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.

i know you have a vast knowledge of wines ..please point me to some forums or sites that introduce newbs to this world

IMO, I'd avoid the forums. It's usually a bunch of people arguing about why their preferences are best.

There's no substitute for tasting. The more you drink the more you learn. Really pay attention to what you're drinking and describe every facet of it in terms of taste, sensation, etc.

I've read probably 2 or 3 dozen books on wine, but it's always the tastings where I learn the most. That said, this book is probably the best coverage of the regions, varietals, etc. that you can find.

If you want to spelunk into the darkness of wine snobbery, these are some good forums:

Winodepot
Wine Spectator
Wine Therapy
Wine Advocate
 

BooGiMaN

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what sites are recommended for newb wine drinkers...i see costco has a large selection of wines....with a large price vaiation as well...soem as low as 6 bucks and soem as high as 65 a bottle..been tempted to try some but i know nothing about wines

IMO, stay in the ~$20 bottle area until you further develop your appreciation. The value in the more expensive wines is usually in the form of three things:

1) Complexity. More expensive wines are generally more complex, and without sufficient tasting experience you're likely to miss it entirely.

2) Ratings. There are only a handful of professional tasters that essentially dictate the market in wines (Laube, Tanzer, Parker, Suckling and a few others). If they give a wine a 100 point rating you can almost guarantee that $30 bottle will soon see $200, and in a few years probably many hundreds if not thousands. If you stick to wines rated ~88-92 you're likely to find some incredible bargains, and if the first issue I described (complexity) doesn't hit you you're just wasting your money on 95+ point bottles anyway.

3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

IMO, just go wild and try some new things. Don't worry about labels, regions, or anything else. Find a $5, 10, 15, 20, 25 bottle and drink them (not on the same day). You'll quickly develop your palate so that you can discern a difference in quality, and you'll begin to develop an appreciation for increased complexity.

i know you have a vast knowledge of wines ..please point me to some forums or sites that introduce newbs to this world

IMO, I'd avoid the forums. It's usually a bunch of people arguing about why their preferences are best.

There's no substitute for tasting. The more you drink the more you learn. Really pay attention to what you're drinking and describe every facet of it in terms of taste, sensation, etc.

I've read probably 2 or 3 dozen books on wine, but it's always the tastings where I learn the most. That said, this book is probably the best coverage of the regions, varietals, etc. that you can find.

If you want to spelunk into the darkness of wine snobbery, these are some good forums:

Winodepot
Wine Spectator
Wine Therapy
Wine Advocate

i think ill take your suggestion and just try different ones and go by what i like

so what is the best way to serve and store wine...

should it be served at room temp cold...etc
and as a dinner wine what type of wine usually goes with what type of meal..fish, chicken, beef
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: Descartes
3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

Heard a quip on NPR about French wines this year. Certain vineyards put such a high importance on their namesake that when they are having a good year with a high yield and yet the wine isn't moving off the shelves, either the French government itself will buy it from them, or they'll simply dump it down the drains, rather than put it on sale. That would be beneath them.
 

KB

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YellowTail Shiraz is a great value.
Also any Pinot Noir from Willamette valley tends to be quite good.
 

andylawcc

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for value wine around 10-15, try these

Mia's Playground Cabernet $12
Mia's Playground (Russian RiveR) Pinot $12
Firestone Cab (Sonoma or Santa Ynez) $14
Laetitia (Arroyo Grande) Pinot $17 (Costco have them cheap)


just go ahead and try anyone, and i believe winespectator.com has a DAILY "under $15" recommendation.
 

Descartes

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: Descartes
3) Low supply. Keep in mind that some of the best wines in the world produce little more than you could do in your garage. We're talking a few thousand cases for the entire world. This pushes some of these bottles into the thousands of dollars, and they're not always exceptional.

Heard a quip on NPR about French wines this year. Certain vineyards put such a high importance on their namesake that when they are having a good year with a high yield and yet the wine isn't moving off the shelves, either the French government itself will buy it from them, or they'll simply dump it down the drains, rather than put it on sale. That would be beneath them.

I've not heard of slow-moving wines being removed from the shelf, but I do know that many producers will sometimes refuse to produce a vintage. A famous example would probably be Chateau d'Yquem. The prices of French wines are also somewhat representative of the quality of the year, so you can often find a wine from a famous producer in an off year for a fraction of the cost of the great year. It has the added benefit of being able to drink it younger too, because generally the better years are more tannic, more complex, etc. and require a decade or more to realize full integration.

The above can be contrasted with the better wines of California that seem to go up inexorably regardless of the quality of the vintage. Bad years are simply labeled "interesting" and given a similar price to their more profound years. The smaller US producers, many of the the so-called garagistes, often skip vintages though.
 

oogabooga

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There's a brand I like called Bartenura (not sure of spelling) and I like their " Moscato D'Asti". I believe it is Italian, pretty fruity and light.

I haven't found a red wine i'm fond of yet.
 

RedPickle

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BEST ABSOLUTELY BEST WINE for it's value:

Kendall Jackson - Cabernet Sauvignons, great Californian wine, that's got the right touch of it all. For 13 bucks a bottle, can entertain at the most elegant parties. This stuff is GOOD.
 
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