Winter driving: learn how to do it

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_Rick_

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I was going to add that.

Theres always that amusing moment when they pull up sharply at the lights and we get to laugh at the snow that was once on the roof and is now on the windscreen. :biggrin:

Hey, that's how I clear it off the roof!
Well, actually, some sharp cornering is better, especially with the "fun" change in suspension loading in mid-turn
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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Hey, that's how I clear it off the roof!
Well, actually, some sharp cornering is better, especially with the "fun" change in suspension loading in mid-turn

lol

I could not care less about someone's roof. I care if they can see me. I clean mine off because I'm OCD like that but usually people getting the roof blast are following too close anyways. I like it when ice starts launching off roofs and the tailgaters get a windshield full of love. Stupid jerks.
 

z1ggy

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As long as you take your time and don't follow cars too closely.. I don't see how it's a problem driving in snow. Biggest mistake people probably make is assuming they can go as fast or follow as closely as they do at other times, then panic, instinctively jam on the brakes, and go sliding into things.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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BTW, the snow on the roof annoys me too. I climb up and stand on my tires to brush the snow off the roof of my SUV. I don't expect everyone to get everything off (that's asking a bit much) but at least get the majority of it. The little bit left that will blow off is no big deal.

For me it's not so much the fluffy snow that blows off of their car onto my windshield. It's when it remains and becomes large chunks of compact snow or even ice that is the true hazard to everyone on the road. If you don't get it off right away, you certainly won't when it hardens a couple days later.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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It's funny. Driving in Northern IL for 20ish years I would say about 80% of the time when i see a car in a ditch its a 4x4.


Also every year i see some idiot who still thinks they can drive 50mph on the backroads only to see them in a ditch 5 minutes latter.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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It's funny. Driving in Northern IL for 20ish years I would say about 80% of the time when i see a car in a ditch its a 4x4.


Also every year i see some idiot who still thinks they can drive 50mph on the backroads only to see them in a ditch 5 minutes latter.

A couple years ago during a heavy snow I saw an SUV in the road, and on its roof. I never figured out how they managed that feat. People treat 4/AWD like it gives the vehicle tracks. 4WD especially will ruin your day if you use it inappropriately, but both still require skill and care when on slippery surfaces, and they're virtually worthless on ice.
 

Exterous

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This will be my first real winter. Snowing a little tonight. Think it was also the first time in my life I've turned on the home heater. Lived in Los Angeles the past 23 years, moved to Indiana 3 weeks ago.

Pft - Indiana doesn't have 'real winters'. You need to be in the lake effect snow areas or in the great frozen north for a real winter. Welcome to the midwest though!

I was born in IN!

You know how I know you're lying? No one who was born in IN actually admits to being born in IN
 

bruceb

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I used to have RWD (Mazda RX-7) and it was tricky in snow. Now with front wheel drive it is a bit easier, but the tail is light, so it tends to get a little tail happy, at times. In general, at least for my car and tires, I can sense just how fast is safe for the conditions. Go just a tad faster and you will feel it start to act skittish. Biggest thing for me in snow, is plenty of room for braking, very gradual input of turns, and very gradual lane changes, as most times, there will be a little snow between the lanes to cross over.
 

Ganiy

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It is also very important to change tires beforehand for the winter ones if you do not have all-weather tires.
 

Anubis

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that first guy... beyond words.

if i remember about that vid correctly. you cant tell from it but its on a pretty good hill there and everything is covered with like 2 inches of ice not just snow. parked cars were sliding around
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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if i remember about that vid correctly. you cant tell from it but its on a pretty good hill there and everything is covered with like 2 inches of ice not just snow. parked cars were sliding around

yea...that's for sure ice, not snow. Not much you can do when your car starts sliding down a hill sideways. Well maybe honk your horn? Flash your lights? Ghost ride?
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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If you can't drive above 35 on an Interstate, don't get on the Interstate. See those two black strips with white in the middle? That's your lane. Keep your tires in the black and do at least 55 in the 65, else get out of the way.
I came up upon a group of slow moving vehicles one night in a snow storm. Four lane, divided highway with 2 lanes each direction. These bozos were straddling the number one and two lanes and I was on my way to clear up an accident.

I jumped onto the left shoulder and started going by all of them. As I got to the front there was a sheriff's car leading them all and he flipped on his blue lights. I flipped on my orange lights and flew past the morons. He turned off his blue lights and continued to plod along.
 

Exterous

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I came up upon a group of slow moving vehicles one night in a snow storm. Four lane, divided highway with 2 lanes each direction. These bozos were straddling the number one and two lanes and I was on my way to clear up an accident.

I jumped onto the left shoulder and started going by all of them. As I got to the front there was a sheriff's car leading them all and he flipped on his blue lights. I flipped on my orange lights and flew past the morons. He turned off his blue lights and continued to plod along.

:awe:
 

destrekor

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RWD and snow suck even with the traction control I had on my 325i. Much happier with FWD now. Would never buy a RWD car again.

Ooo... I lost track of the times I was not pointing in the direction I either A) intended, or b) desired, while driving in my RWD Dakota.
Relying on sand in the back for weight is, alone, a shitty concept.


Don't get me wrong, I had like 7 or 8 winters with that thing, and had a blast. Also, I'd consider the statement "I survived 7 or 8 winters" to probably be closer to the truth than I at first may realize.


The worst experience was highway driving for a roughly three hour trip (moving back to college after winter break), that became nearly five hours if I remember correctly.
I think there was a whiteout moment or two, but the worst was simply the pre-existing snow. Snow nearly up to the bumper, and deep ruts. Because neither my dad in the moving van or me in my dakota felt particularly comfortable, we stayed in the right lane (which was one long ass permanent rut) since the other lane was almost entirely fresh powder up to the bumper and had idiots going the speed limit or close to it. I'm all for knowing how to drive near the speed limit in most conditions, and NOT going excessively below posted speeds just because of snow, but those are conditional variables.

Just sticking in the right lane, probably entirely because of the ruts, I fish-tailed three times. I recovered just fine each time, with minimal sea-sawing/back-and-forth, but still, one time I got pointed out at least 60-70º and my first correction probably about equal in the opposite direction.

The butthole has never been tighter, nerves never shakier after that little event. That caused a white-knuckle grip for the rest of the trip, which was unbearable long at that point in time.

Of course, that ignores the various oopsies throughout the city. Accidentally a touch too much throttle, or backed off the throttle too abruptly... and the immediate sensation of two or more wheels suddenly breaking free from grip and either snow-covered parked or moving cars nearby suddenly rapidly approaching your last seen point of reference.
More often than not, I was also causing the exact controlled slide that I wanted, but there was surprise grip changes all over the roads; sometimes braking/turning just fine, then suddenly your left turn seems to be escaping from underneath you and you feel yourself sliding forward and right instead, or dead-straight braking becomes cock-eyed and holy shit that bumper is getting too close too fast.

I managed to avoid everything in that vehicle, but definitely had my share of way too close moments.
Current vehicle is a FWD sedan, and my planned next vehicle purchase (was prior to this was too... depends on timing/salary at time ) is a Subie. A Rex (STI or not... salary-based decision ) will give me the fun I want when I want, and a little more sure-footed behavior.
Obviously, AWD can be equally worthless on ice or still possible to lose control for various reasons... not one of those drivers.
 

rh71

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if i remember about that vid correctly. you cant tell from it but its on a pretty good hill there and everything is covered with like 2 inches of ice not just snow. parked cars were sliding around

the guy accelerated into the wall and other things.
 

NoTine42

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RWD and snow suck even with the traction control I had on my 325i. Much happier with FWD now. Would never buy a RWD car again.

I'm feeling the opposite with my little FWD car. Try starting on a >.05 degree incline when most of your cars weight shifts to the rear tires...,you ain't going anywhere when that slight incline is a little slick.

My FWD Minivan does better thanks to the cast iron 3.8l V6 over the front tires, but a little 4 banger doesn't provide enough weight.
 

NoCreativity

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I'm feeling the opposite with my little FWD car. Try starting on a >.05 degree incline when most of your cars weight shifts to the rear tires...,you ain't going anywhere when that slight incline is a little slick.

My FWD Minivan does better thanks to the cast iron 3.8l V6 over the front tires, but a little 4 banger doesn't provide enough weight.

Really? My crappy neon never had a problem in the snow.
 

AdamK47

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I drove a couple Winters in a Gen 4 Camaro SS when I lived in Grand Rapids. Not fun. Not fun at all.
 

olds

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Get GOOD tires (I always have separate winter tires on separate wheels)
If RWD, add some weight in the back
Allow more room around you, especially in front of you as it takes longer to stop
Steer into the skid, steer back to the straight ahead position a second before you think you need too (don't oversteer)
Go to an empty parking lot and practice the above
If something happens in front of you and you can't stop in time, can you go around? (most crashes I saw was because people couldn't stop in time and just locked up the brakes and held on to the steering wheel waiting for the crash)
DON'T lock up your brakes. (If brakes are locked up you can't steer)
 

rudeguy

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same with my wife's escort. Never had a problem in the snow. she ahd that car roughly 17 years. it was a champ in the snow.

I learned how to drive on an 86 Escort. That thing could have driven through a hurricane on ice. It did not care.
 

notposting

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Really? My crappy neon never had a problem in the snow.

Our (also crappy) Neon was great in the snow too. Was going to say the exact same thing.

We have had:
FWD mid-80's Corsica. Fine in the snow. Little 13's cut right in.
FWD 90ish Maxima. Sucked ass in the snow. Wide tires just floated.
FWD 95 Neon. Just sold it off this summer. Worked great in the snow. Little 13's again, weight over wheels.
FWD 03 Vibe. Sucks total ass in the snow. Wide tires, tiny 1.8L Toyota engine had no weight up front. We still have this one.

We just bought a '10 AWD Vibe this summer. Looking forward to playing with it this winter (stay out of the ditch, stay out of the ditch, don't be an ass, stay out of the ditch...).
 

jaedaliu

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Our (also crappy) Neon was great in the snow too. Was going to say the exact same thing.

We have had:
FWD mid-80's Corsica. Fine in the snow. Little 13's cut right in.
FWD 90ish Maxima. Sucked ass in the snow. Wide tires just floated.
FWD 95 Neon. Just sold it off this summer. Worked great in the snow. Little 13's again, weight over wheels.
FWD 03 Vibe. Sucks total ass in the snow. Wide tires, tiny 1.8L Toyota engine had no weight up front. We still have this one.

We just bought a '10 AWD Vibe this summer. Looking forward to playing with it this winter (stay out of the ditch, stay out of the ditch, don't be an ass, stay out of the ditch...).

Winter tires are probably key. Last winter was my first winter. I snowplaned on the highway, my wife couldn't stop on a bridge. This is in a civic and camry. We were both okay as we got control before any sudden stops against metal or concrete.

We're probably okay with our all seasons if we're careful, but I'm keeping an eye for black friday sales for winter tires. Hopefully I won't lose traction this winter with better tires.
 
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