Question Wired Zyxel Access Points for Gigabit WiFi?

[Mr Bob]

I'll be running some networking wires in the house and thought it would be an excellent time to transition from Google WiFi's mesh based wireless system (4 devices to cover the house), to something completely hard wired - of course we still need WiFi...

I'm looking to configure the Zyxel USG60 and most likely spread out 4 access points, hoping to maintain gigabit speeds across the network/house (over wifi).

Any recommendations for access points? I was looking at possibly the Zyxel NWA1123-AC PRO or the Zyxel NWA5123-AC HD that is a bit more but has a filter for 5G (we also have a 5G extender in the house, so maybe this would be helpful).

The plan would be to be able to provide a PoE jack for the AP, there's maybe 10-15 wifi devices on average, maximum of 40.

I know there will be an additional license for the 2 APs, pretty sure the USG60 only support 2 APs by default.

I've configured many Zyxel routers, but this is the first time working with any of their access points.

 

[JackMDS]

Hmm. If in your dictionary Gigabyte WIFI is 433 Mb/sec.. per single WIFI Client.

Then Yes, you probably will get it.

 

[Mr Bob]

Definitely not! Suggestions? I didn't see that on their spec sheet... disappointed...

 

[JackMDS]

One of the problems in Tech, these days is that in most caeses the Specs sheets represent the rating of the components and Not the sum function of the systems.

Like try to find a car while on the road in normal use that really deliver the Mile per Gallon of its paper rating.

Howeve,r if you take the Engeen out clean, and tune it, then let it run not connecting to any thing it probaly will function (for no use) according to its rating

 

[Mr Bob]

Are you saying even the 3x3 APs, or Zyxel's 5gb bandwidth AP, devices wouldn't go beyond 433 over the 5g AC?

Any comments on any of the Zyxel APs, outside of not being able to deliver exactly what I was hoping of?

 

[mxnerd]

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/your-router-isnt-as-fast-as-you-think-it-is-heres-why/

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/mu-mimo-wifi-router

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3256905/13-things-you-need-to-know-about-mu-mimo-wi-fi.html

WiFi is only half duplex vs wired ethernet which is full duplex, and all users/devices must share the whole bandwidth.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-...operation-and-how-does-it-affect-your-router/

Your devices (smartphones, tablets, laptops, PCs also need same no. of antennas to take advantage of the antennas of the APs )

Ex. https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/PCEAC68/ for your PC.

smaller devices usually can't have as many antennas

Someone who purchased TP-LINK Archer T9E did achieve connection speed of 1300Mbps with UniFi UAP-AC-PRO AP. But that's just connection speed, not real word performance.
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/802-11AC-Connection-Speeds/td-p/1486940

But the real question is why do you need gigabit speed over WiFi?

 

[JackMDS]

Thanks mxnerd for the best "Medication" (in the above Links)for the "Wishfull" thinking (delutional) Brigades.

 

[Mr Bob]

Thanks for the read on MIMOI!

But the real question is why do you need gigabit speed over WiFi?

My truck is bigger than your truck?

Since wifi performance is already limited, I want to provide a bigger pipe/bandwidth so we're not seeing as bad of performance hits. Essentially, being able to burst up to speeds closer to the modem... as much as possible of course.

We have a bunch of 4k recording/streaming cameras, large multi-GB+ file transfers, a cloud 10GbE NAS, and a few other bandwidth intensive devices.

It sounds like putting in a 3x3 or 4x4 AP would work (above 433), just in general though, devices that only support a single stream, will still be limited (which are MOST devices). But the 3x3 would still get me above the 433 limit. Or am I still missing something?

One of the articles made it seem like the second I connect a 2nd or 3rd WiFi device, even if it's barely using any bandwidth, there may be significant drops on the 1st device that was connected to all 3 streams. Device 1 is using all 3 streams, maxed, and getting 800ish mb/s, devices 2 and 3 connect and are only using 1mb /s. How much would Device 1 drop? Just a handful of mb/s? Or does it drop an entire stream, thus 1/3 or 2/3rd of what it had available before...

 

[mxnerd]

Was the following what you read in the article? Don't think it meant what you described.

Say an AP supports three streams. If you have only three-stream devices on the network, MU-MIMO won't help increase the total network throughput over what you'd see using SU-MIMO. However, if you have all one-stream devices, MU-MIMO can serve up to three at the same time instead of each device having to wait in line to get transmissions from the AP

Neflix 4K streaming suggest 25Mbps bandwidth and Amazon suggested 15Mbps. Don't know what kind of bandwidth your 4k streaming recording devices consume. But security camera usually let you set the video quality and whether it's motion activated.
If the recording is not active at the same time for each streaming camera, it probably won't need as much bandwidth.

 

[Mr Bob]

Cameras are actually recording over a wired network (8 recordings 24x7 4k), it's only the streaming that tends to use WiFi regarding the cameras, so not super worried there.

The only time true bandwidth can be hit is when transferring large files within the network. Most of that is all done over the wired network.

Sounds like overall, the only people getting higher WiFi speeds are folks doing singular tests directly next to their device, so it's never real world performance. I just need to be happy with <400 mb/s, if even able to get that.

 

[JackMDS]

Sounds like overall, the only people getting higher WiFi speeds are folks doing singular tests directly next to their device, so it's never real world performance. I just need to be happy with <400 mb/s, if even able to get that.

QFT