Wiring up an office. What is the standard?

BKLounger

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so a friend of the family works for an EXTREMELY tech unsavy small company. They are moving from one office to another and the new office is not wired up for network yet. SO first she asked if i could do it and i have never wired an office from scatch so i declined and told her to talk to a professional. My question now is just to get an idea of how a small 6 person office would get wired up? They are a small npo so high end equipment is completely out of the questions


My current assumption is cable company modem --> soho router --> multi port switch --> patch panel (all of this is housed in a closet) --> cat6 is then wallfished to 6 keystone jacks in different rooms --> pop keystone jack into wall plate --> plug cat 6 from jack to computer.

Am i correct in this assumption or am I way off in how i am looking at wiring an office from scratch.
 

kevnich2

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Whatever you think yo uneed for cabling, double that, atleast. maybe even triple. better to run more now than do it all again later.

Other than that, your on the right track. And kudos to you for recommending a professional.
 

TheKub

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Basicly thats the way it goes, but as people have said run more than you need. The cable is the cheap part.
 

Pheran

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Yes, ideally you should at least get a block of 4 Cat 6 cables to every office. You can also use these for patching phones so it's not just for networking.
 

BKLounger

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Whatever you think yo uneed for cabling, double that, atleast. maybe even triple. better to run more now than do it all again later.

Other than that, your on the right track. And kudos to you for recommending a professional.


I do realize when I am in over my head. I am just worried they might find some shmoe who doesn't know what the heck he is doing and will just jack up their entire office and take the money and run. So I am trying to get enough knowledge to be able to tell them what they should be expecting and looking for.

BTW thanks for the phone comment I completely forgot about them. So they will need at least double keystone jack wall plates then.

As for the cable i knew in this case the bigger the better because when fishing it's better to have plenty of slack to hook on to.

I doubt every office will need 4 cat6's. There is only 3 offices and one main room. A total of 6 computers and 1 network printer.
 

Crusty

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Originally posted by: nuMERICA
If it's a small company, the most convenient way, imo, is to use a wireless network. Get a Wireless N router and buy these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...rs-_-Belkin-_-33314032

We did it for our office for about 10-12 desks and it works like a charm with no need to run wires. Although, it was pretty expensive.

/hides from hardcore network guys

That's a pretty terrible idea for an office environment. Any sort of file sharing between more then 2 people will bring that to it's knees.
 

Crusty

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Originally posted by: BKLounger
Originally posted by: kevnich2
Whatever you think yo uneed for cabling, double that, atleast. maybe even triple. better to run more now than do it all again later.

Other than that, your on the right track. And kudos to you for recommending a professional.


I do realize when I am in over my head. I am just worried they might find some shmoe who doesn't know what the heck he is doing and will just jack up their entire office and take the money and run. So I am trying to get enough knowledge to be able to tell them what they should be expecting and looking for.

BTW thanks for the phone comment I completely forgot about them. So they will need at least double keystone jack wall plates then.

As for the cable i knew in this case the bigger the better because when fishing it's better to have plenty of slack to hook on to.

I doubt every office will need 4 cat6's. There is only 3 offices and one main room. A total of 6 computers and 1 network printer.

Right now they only have 6 computers and a printer, but what about in a year? It's a LOT cheaper to run extra cables now, then to call someone back out in a year to run more cables.

 

BKLounger

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Originally posted by: nuMERICA
If it's a small company, the most convenient way, imo, is to use a wireless network. Get a Wireless N router and buy these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...rs-_-Belkin-_-33314032

We did it for our office for about 10-12 desks and it works like a charm with no need to run wires. Although, it was pretty expensive.

/hides from hardcore network guys

i actually advised them away from wireless because the new office is in the basement of an older building so i couldn't be sure what kind of interference they would be dealing with. Also that means all the computers would need to get wireless cards installed which just seems like an unneccessary expense considering all machines are stationary.

*edit*
crusty you do have a point. Thinking about it that way I will probably recommend 4 rj45 and 4 rj11 jacks per office. probably 6 and 6 for the main room. That should give a reasonable amount of expansion in the future.

 

kevnich2

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Never ever use wireless in an office environment for permanent stations. For mobile laptops that move around all the time and aren't always in the office is one thing but never for permanent stations. I found this out the hard way at a job where one guy took the easy route and setup wireless. Nothing but problems. I got tired of messing with wireless client so I just ran cable myself to every desk with a 4 port wall jack and hooked everyone to that. Afterward, never had a single problem again with the network.
 

Pheran

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Originally posted by: BKLounger
Originally posted by: nuMERICA
If it's a small company, the most convenient way, imo, is to use a wireless network. Get a Wireless N router and buy these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...rs-_-Belkin-_-33314032

We did it for our office for about 10-12 desks and it works like a charm with no need to run wires. Although, it was pretty expensive.

/hides from hardcore network guys

i actually advised them away from wireless because the new office is in the basement of an older building so i couldn't be sure what kind of interference they would be dealing with. Also that means all the computers would need to get wireless cards installed which just seems like an unneccessary expense considering all machines are stationary.

*edit*
crusty you do have a point. Thinking about it that way I will probably recommend 4 rj45 and 4 rj11 jacks per office. probably 6 and 6 for the main room. That should give a reasonable amount of expansion in the future.

You are missing my point - you don't need RJ11 jacks for phone, you can use one of the RJ45/Cat6 drops that you install for this. RJ11 connectors will fit into RJ45 jacks. If you get a phone patch panel located next to your data panel in your closet, you can just patch phone lines to whatever jacks you want.
 

drebo

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Originally posted by: BKLounger
I am just worried they might find some shmoe who doesn't know what the heck he is doing and will just jack up their entire office and take the money and run. So I am trying to get enough knowledge to be able to tell them what they should be expecting and looking for.

Just make sure that whoever they choose is licensed and bonded. That should cover them in the event something doesn't work or something is wrecked.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: BKLounger
I am just worried they might find some shmoe who doesn't know what the heck he is doing and will just jack up their entire office and take the money and run. So I am trying to get enough knowledge to be able to tell them what they should be expecting and looking for.

Just make sure that whoever they choose is licensed and bonded. That should cover them in the event something doesn't work or something is wrecked.

bolded and quoted for emphasis. and they are just doing this for file share and internet access? no server? why use cat6? are you getting a gigaswitch? and when you get the 4 per room, space them out like 1 on each wall, so you arent running long ass patch cables when you need to add a desk across the room. the phone thing same. i set up 5 spots in each office here, even tho half the rooms are single occupancy. paid off in the larger rooms as we ended up with 4 desks and a printer in each one. each plate has network and a phone jack, and each plate has 4 cat5e to it inside the wall in case i want to expand past that. my test table has 8 on a plate and 12 in the wall, my desk (next to the test table) has 4 + my permanent and 2 phone jacks. the boss thought i was nuts when i proposed it, but hes glad he approved it now, almost 4 years later when we are looking at needing more access points.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: BKLounger
I am just worried they might find some shmoe who doesn't know what the heck he is doing and will just jack up their entire office and take the money and run. So I am trying to get enough knowledge to be able to tell them what they should be expecting and looking for.

Just make sure that whoever they choose is licensed and bonded. That should cover them in the event something doesn't work or something is wrecked.
why use cat6?

why limit yourself to older cat5e when cat6 is readily available?
 

drebo

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Why bother running dedicated phone/data ports? Number your ports properly and you should be able to punch them all down to standard CAT5 or CAT6 punchdown blocks. Then run your phone system into those.

Unless your phone system outputs to a 25-pair and you HAVE to, I don't see why you would want to gimp your install like that. Granted, repunching them is easy, but still.

Also, why even bother with an analog phone system when VoIP is cheaper and better anyway?
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: Pheran
Originally posted by: BKLounger
Originally posted by: nuMERICA
If it's a small company, the most convenient way, imo, is to use a wireless network. Get a Wireless N router and buy these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...rs-_-Belkin-_-33314032

We did it for our office for about 10-12 desks and it works like a charm with no need to run wires. Although, it was pretty expensive.

/hides from hardcore network guys

i actually advised them away from wireless because the new office is in the basement of an older building so i couldn't be sure what kind of interference they would be dealing with. Also that means all the computers would need to get wireless cards installed which just seems like an unneccessary expense considering all machines are stationary.

*edit*
crusty you do have a point. Thinking about it that way I will probably recommend 4 rj45 and 4 rj11 jacks per office. probably 6 and 6 for the main room. That should give a reasonable amount of expansion in the future.

You are missing my point - you don't need RJ11 jacks for phone, you can use one of the RJ45/Cat6 drops that you install for this. RJ11 connectors will fit into RJ45 jacks. If you get a phone patch panel located next to your data panel in your closet, you can just patch phone lines to whatever jacks you want.
Don't put rj11 cables into a RJ45 connection you wish to ever use for networking.
The 4 by 6 or 6 by 6 rj 11 male plug will often bend the outermost contactors in the keystone jack, because the plastic on each side will wedge that last contactor wire out to the side. this can be a huge PITA to figure out. I have replaced many top quality jacks that had bent outermost contactors from just this problem.
That is why I never let users plug in phones and computers
I have to go heat the network jack up in the switch anyway, so why not finish the job.
If a company is planning to use a digital phone system, run CAT 3 wire and terminate in the proper connection for it. Why run cat 3 you may ask? I can terminate it in less than half the time. Time is money, and I charge a hefty rate. That "wasted, useless" cable in the wall is not the largest cost of servicing the phone systems; my time is. Many folks want thier own conventional fax machines for example. I can punch that down in a 66 block faster than I can type this up, using cross connect wire.
Don't kid yourself that you can easily patch over from most digital phone systems to a patch panel economically, practically, or in an aesthetic manner. It will look like ass in the closet. And it will take more of that $$$ time.
I have designed and installed dozens of cable plants, digital phone systems, and a few VOIP systems.
My guidelines for cable count:
1) 2 CAT6 and 1 CAT 3( if VOIP is going to be used, no CAT3 add 1 more CAT6 in this case) to each office or each possible desk location.
2)Some offices are large enough that a user may place his desk clear across the room from your jacks, requiring some really ugly patch cabling. Make another drop in these larger offices.
3) If wiring a conventional construction office with drywall, use back-to-back locations. One CAT3 4 pair cable to each back-to-back will service 4 jacks. if one of the rooms needs an additional jack, you can often 'borrow' it from the adjacent room by getting a different faceplate and turning the keystone in the wall. it is also easier to drag 4 network wires in one go, rather than 2 pulls of 2.
4) Don't forget possible locations for network printers. Drop 1 each of CAT3 and CAT6 there. Most small companies buy copier/fax machines and need a POTS connection along with the network.
That is the planning part and you can request that from a contractor.
Also require proper labeling at the faceplate and termination closet.
Require a certification test with report, and a guarantee of at least one year.
That last one tends to weed out the fly by night operators, they don't have access to spendy certification equipment.
 
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