Wisconsin closer to drug testing food stamp users

Puffnstuff

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Mar 9, 2005
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I believe that their intent should be heard before passing judgement on it. If they're trying to minimize the chances that public funds will used to buy illegal drugs then I completely understand. However, Governor Scott was the driving force behind Act 10 which gutted public workers rights in WI, remanded labor contracts and demoralized the state's teachers so I definitely need to see their justification for this move.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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I believe that their intent should be heard before passing judgement on it. If they're trying to minimize the chances that public funds will used to buy illegal drugs then I completely understand. However, Governor Scott was the driving force behind Act 10 which gutted public workers rights in WI, remanded labor contracts and demoralized the state's teachers so I definitely need to see their justification for this move.

I see you could buy into the stereotype that poor people are poor because they're irresponsible.
 

SlowSpyder

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Exactly they do it all the time here in FL and even have exchanges where people sell their EBT cards for cash at a fraction of the food amount on it.

It IS a problem and happens all the time. I personally know people that have bought / sold food stamps.
 

brycejones

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I believe that their intent should be heard before passing judgement on it. If they're trying to minimize the chances that public funds will used to buy illegal drugs then I completely understand. However, Governor Scott was the driving force behind Act 10 which gutted public workers rights in WI, remanded labor contracts and demoralized the state's teachers so I definitely need to see their justification for this move.

Like voter ID laws this in another solution in search of a problem so I guess it seems like something that conservative Republicans would get behind.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Yeh, but it panders nicely to guys like puffnstuff.

I don't know his politics.

I just don't care if a person on food stamps wants to smoke a joint or whatever with a friend. I agree selling food stamps to do so is wrong, but this type of thing has been tried before and I don't think I've ever heard of it saving money, only costing money. If someone has xyz in their system, that doesn't mean they bought it.
 
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bshole

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It IS a problem and happens all the time. I personally know people that have bought / sold food stamps.

Damn dude, you know you are teeing up a ball with that statement don't you? I won't take the gratuitous shot but somebody else might.

We do have a drug epidemic in Milwaukee. More people died last year of drug overdoses than murder. This is not about that though and everybody knows it. This plays to Walker's base, it is a cynical political ploy and it will work to secure his re-election.
 

balloonshark

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In my state you get one EBT card period. It's just like a debit card that they only reload once a month. It can only be used to purchase food. I have no idea how the hell you would buy drugs unless you traded food for drugs which would be weird.

Also, if they start passing these laws the states should have to provide expensive drug rehab treatment for those with addictions since it's a disease. It's the only morally correct (dare I say christian) thing to do. If someone has a problem and you know about it then you should have to help that person.
 

Jhhnn

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Damn dude, you know you are teeing up a ball with that statement don't you? I won't take the gratuitous shot but somebody else might.

We do have a drug epidemic in Milwaukee. More people died last year of drug overdoses than murder. This is not about that though and everybody knows it. This plays to Walker's base, it is a cynical political ploy and it will work to secure his re-election.

We're the richest country in the world & fools get all self righteous when some of our unluckiest citizens might get something they don't deserve. Addiction is a disease, not a moral failing. Those who catch it are very unlucky indeed.
 

whm1974

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We're the richest country in the world & fools get all self righteous when some of our unluckiest citizens might get something they don't deserve. Addiction is a disease, not a moral failing. Those who catch it are very unlucky indeed.
And it is easier to catch then people think. Seems like doctors are over prescribing and drug companies are strongly encouraging them, by giving a lot of perks.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I just don't care if a person on food stamps wants to smoke a joint or whatever with a friend. I agree selling food stamps to do so is wrong, but this type of thing has been tried before and I don't think I've ever heard of it saving money, only costing money. If someone has xyz in their system, that doesn't mean they bought it.
I agree. But "Big Pharma" probably owns the drug-testing labs, and they're going to make money off of this whole thing, at the expense of taxpayers. Much like private prisons, which should also be abolished, IMHO.

I don't think (expensive) wide-spread drug testing, of all individuals in that state, that are on food stamps, is moral, nor economical.

The only (limited) exception, that I might consider allowing, is if the person is a convicted felon, with drug charges. Even that, given the feds and some states positions on MJ, is probably overreaching. In any case, they probably need treatment, and not heavy drug-testing.

(The above may not even apply, if felons can't get food stamps anyways.)
 

umbrella39

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So which one of Walker's relatives own the lab testing company? Always costs more to test than it does in people kicked off. Yet more feel good nonsense for the far right fringe to get excited about...
 

zinfamous

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I believe that their intent should be heard before passing judgement on it. If they're trying to minimize the chances that public funds will used to buy illegal drugs then I completely understand. However, Governor Scott was the driving force behind Act 10 which gutted public workers rights in WI, remanded labor contracts and demoralized the state's teachers so I definitely need to see their justification for this move.

considering Walker and the pubs actively worked to guy their access to healthcare and decent employment, I'd say taking away their easy ability to access a bit of fun is just yet another dastardly knife in their backs.

talk about a bunch of fucking assholes that make up the GOP.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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In my state you get one EBT card period. It's just like a debit card that they only reload once a month. It can only be used to purchase food. I have no idea how the hell you would buy drugs unless you traded food for drugs which would be weird.

Also, if they start passing these laws the states should have to provide expensive drug rehab treatment for those with addictions since it's a disease. It's the only morally correct (dare I say christian) thing to do. If someone has a problem and you know about it then you should have to help that person.

I don't know about drugs, but my friend who worked at a gas station said the scam there was the owner would put out super expensive food items and have the cashier charge purchases as milk, crackers, and other highly overpriced food items when someone would want to buy beer, cigarettes, or a crackpipe with an EBT card.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I agree. But "Big Pharma" probably owns the drug-testing labs, and they're going to make money off of this whole thing, at the expense of taxpayers. Much like private prisons, which should also be abolished, IMHO.

I don't think (expensive) wide-spread drug testing, of all individuals in that state, that are on food stamps, is moral, nor economical.

The only (limited) exception, that I might consider allowing, is if the person is a convicted felon, with drug charges. Even that, given the feds and some states positions on MJ, is probably overreaching. In any case, they probably need treatment, and not heavy drug-testing.

(The above may not even apply, if felons can't get food stamps anyways.)

They should also drug test all the Foxconn executives getting that fat corporate welfare check in Wisconsin.
 
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mikeymikec

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This has never worked. They tried it here in Ontario. Spent a fortune and found a handful of people. Was a colossal waste of resources and to what end?

The businesses involved in such testing have employees and families to feed, you know!
 

Puffnstuff

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considering Walker and the pubs actively worked to guy their access to healthcare and decent employment, I'd say taking away their easy ability to access a bit of fun is just yet another dastardly knife in their backs.

talk about a bunch of fucking assholes that make up the GOP.
This is an area where Scott can manipulate his justifications to appeal for support. I'm also looking at the opiod epidemic which is affecting many people in this segment of the population. People in need should be able to get these benefits while protecting the taxpayers from fraud which is something that is easier said than done.
 
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