Wisconsin law would allow toddlers to hunt

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bradly1101

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It is the argument that counters the "Well, cars are weapons!" people that think guns are merely some tool that is just as good at, I dunno, hammering nails, scraping paint, as it is at killing people. That argument. The point being that the gun is the only one of these "tools" that was explicitly and singly designed to kill humans, regardless of whatever use humans will put those other tools in service of doing, outside of their intent.
The only invention like that which is in so many homes and is also used as a mass killing machine. To some we got this right, and they can provide myriad perceived justifications for their rightness.
 

bradly1101

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And yet we have the arbitrary number of 21 to protect us. I taught my kids to use knives (danger) well before third grade.
I experienced much danger in the form of violent bullying when I was a kid. I can only thank the maker that I didn't respond with a knife, or worse, had access to a gun; my immature mind and the relentlessness of the bullying may have caused me to seek one of those tools.
 
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I experienced much danger in the form of violent bullying when I was a kid. I can only thank the maker that I didn't respond with a knife, or worse, had access to a gun; my immature mind and the relentlessness of the bullying may have caused me to seek one of those tools.
Nice to see you've recovered enough that you've taken your bullying to the forums.
 

HomerJS

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Seriously Homer? I'm plenty old enough to have used it polishing my church shoes on Sunday mornings.
Too bad common sense fades with age.

Come on admit it . You had a senior moment one morning and polished your church shoes with your own shit.
 

bradly1101

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Nice to see you've recovered enough that you've taken your bullying to the forums.
In what way? By sharing my views? Got a link? I am never verbally abusive, and believe that that is never useful. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/the-importance-of-p-n.2525784/

[edit: my link also addresses your signature: Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley Jr.]
 
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mect

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Do you let your 3rd graders drink while supervised too? (As long as they are grown up and responsible about it, of course) Kid party at cabellas sponsored by smirnoff ice?

Hint - When you answer no, the reason is because alcohol is fucking dangerous. Continue to extrapolate.
Alcohol is damaging to developing brains of children. How responsible the child is is irrelevant. On the other hand, the danger of a firearm is completely dependent on the responsibility of the person using it, not the degree of physical development.
 

J.Wilkins

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To everyone who went shooting when they were 6-12 years old or took their kids shooting... yeah, nothing happened.

I'm still very glad that this isn't legal in the UK since there is no way a 6-12 year old is mature enough to understand the possible consequences of firing at a target where they are not sure of where the bullet will land if they miss and considering that hunting is generally considered a good time to bring some liquor with you in the US I really wouldn't trust most adults to keep an eye on their kids either.

There is a HUGE difference between having your kids with you at a range (my kids were 13 and 14 when we did that the first time but long before that they were practising with air rifles which is a really good idea) where you know where the bullet goes if their aim is off and where they are not carrying their gun around or taking shots they probably shouldn't take.

However, after having numerous discussions on this I don't actually think that adults in the US are much better than those kids considering that they have never had to qualify for a hunting licence and that most of them don't really seem to care about higher ground or background drops at all, nor do they seem to care that a couple of beers or some cognac to warm the chest makes their endeavour completely illegal and their idiotic behaviour reprehensible.

I trust that Englishmen follow the rules to a T and with the teams I've hunted with for over 40 years now there has never been any question, no drinking before you put your gun in your safe and no kids on the grounds.
 

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To everyone who went shooting when they were 6-12 years old or took their kids shooting... yeah, nothing happened.

I'm still very glad that this isn't legal in the UK since there is no way a 6-12 year old is mature enough to understand the possible consequences of firing at a target where they are not sure of where the bullet will land if they miss and considering that hunting is generally considered a good time to bring some liquor with you in the US I really wouldn't trust most adults to keep an eye on their kids either.

There is a HUGE difference between having your kids with you at a range (my kids were 13 and 14 when we did that the first time but long before that they were practising with air rifles which is a really good idea) where you know where the bullet goes if their aim is off and where they are not carrying their gun around or taking shots they probably shouldn't take.

However, after having numerous discussions on this I don't actually think that adults in the US are much better than those kids considering that they have never had to qualify for a hunting licence and that most of them don't really seem to care about higher ground or background drops at all, nor do they seem to care that a couple of beers or some cognac to warm the chest makes their endeavour completely illegal and their idiotic behaviour reprehensible.

I trust that Englishmen follow the rules to a T and with the teams I've hunted with for over 40 years now there has never been any question, no drinking before you put your gun in your safe and no kids on the grounds.

The pretentiousness, it is palatable.
 

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Alcohol is damaging to developing brains of children. How responsible the child is is irrelevant. On the other hand, the danger of a firearm is completely dependent on the responsibility of the person using it, not the degree of physical development.

Ummm, un undeveloped mind is per definition not capable of proper responsibility. Their mind isn't properly formed yet and they generally are not able to do problem assessment the way adults can.

"So you took the shot even though you didn't know where the bullet would go"

"I didn't consider that".

Normally when a child does something wrong that is always the answer and it's a proper answer because they DO NOT consider it, they react and act without properly assessing situations because their minds are not fully developed.

I have no doubt that anyone who has kids already know this but somehow they want to ignore it in some cases while recognizing it in others... Those parents are suffering from under developed frontal cortex function as much as their children are, they are actually trying to ignore what they know because they don't want to be blamed.

It's known as "playing the idiot" in plain speak.
 
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J.Wilkins

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The pretentiousness, it is palatable.

You could just stick your finger in your nose and go "hurrr" to present your argument, it would work just as well as the one you just made...

Your suggestion is that you are so incredibly inferior and cannot figure out the simplest of things and thus I'm pretentious for applying COMMON FUCKING SENSE to a situation...

Well, it might work with people stupider than you but it sure as hell wont' work with anyone with an IQ over 60.
 

Atreus21

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You could just stick your finger in your nose and go "hurrr" to present your argument, it would work just as well as the one you just made...

Your suggestion is that you are so incredibly inferior and cannot figure out the simplest of things and thus I'm pretentious for applying COMMON FUCKING SENSE to a situation...

Well, it might work with people stupider than you but it sure as hell wont' work with anyone with an IQ over 60.

I thought it was a good response.
 

Fern

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What are the rules limiting the age of children in other states? (Sorry if that's already mentioned; I haven't managed to read all 200 posts yet.)

I wasn't aware that were any. If not, is this really the big deal the OP makes it out to be?

Fern
 
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momeNt

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You could just stick your finger in your nose and go "hurrr" to present your argument, it would work just as well as the one you just made...

Your suggestion is that you are so incredibly inferior and cannot figure out the simplest of things and thus I'm pretentious for applying COMMON FUCKING SENSE to a situation...

Well, it might work with people stupider than you but it sure as hell wont' work with anyone with an IQ over 60.

No you just can't help yourself but disparage your American counterparts.

Also why be "glad" that this isn't being discussed in the UK when at the same time you trust your fellow englishmen to follow the rules of hunting safety to a T? Aren't Englishmen responsible enough to know when a child is at a safe age to mentor?
 
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momeNt

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What are the rules limiting the age of children in other states? (Sorry if that's already mentioned; I haven't managed to read all 200 posts yet.)

I wasn't aware that were any. If not, is this really the bid deal the OP makes it out to be?

Fern

Why does it matter. A babe can go hunting before it is off it's mother's teat. A babe!

Considering that trigger assistance mechanisms are likely to be banned, how does an infant, even pull the trigger.

Also there are NFA considerations for this as well. A fetus is not capable of holding a handgun without shouldering it. Shouldering a handgun makes it an SBR.

You will eventually have embryos committing federal weapons crimes simply because the law wasn't made around contemplating this.
 
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