Wisconsin law would allow toddlers to hunt

[Sunburn74]

My grandfather taught me to shoot at 5.

I think there needs to be more data on the issue before we can draw conclusions on the age where hunting is associated with harm. That being said, who exactly out there needs this law? Who is so impatient that they can't wait till 10 years old before letting their kids learn to shoot?

And doesn't the wisconsin legislature have more important thing to be working on?

 

[sdifox]

Well, I suppose that is OK as long as breastfeeding is still illegal... Seeing a nipple would scar them for life but handling a firearm and killing things is just fine... Let's forget that part about kids who like to kill animals growing up as sociopaths...

Coming soon to Wisconsin, "Nipples for Guns" program.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think there needs to be more data on the issue before we can draw conclusions on the age where hunting is associated with harm. That being said, who exactly out there needs this law? Who is so impatient that they can't wait till 10 years old before letting their kids learn to shoot?

And doesn't the wisconsin legislature have more important thing to be working on?

I don't know what the people of Wisconsin consider important so I won't speak for them. What I was getting at is that I wasn't a toddler but I was very young. I was taught by my grandfather who was a WWI vet in a remote Arkansas area. He judged me ready to learn and taught me safety first. The weapon was a single shot .22 bolt action youth model which had a cocking piece which enabled the firing pin.

Memory is a tricky thing but it seemed forever before he even let me hold the rifle but I do know he tested me and helped me steady it not taking chances.

It should be remembered that when he was 8 or 10 where he lived the kids helped put meat on the table. He may not have seen a car at that time and farming was with horse or ox. Hunting meant life for many.

I lived in the day where shotguns were locked in a rack inside a pickup against the rear window and parked in high school parking lots and no one thought much of it. Kids just hunting after classes are over.

Different times I admit. We generally knew that shooting carried responsibility and killing was wrong.

 

[FIVR]

Every child in the midwest and south should get an AK-47 from the government. Semi-automatic of course (it is for hunting).

 

[FIVR]

I don't know what the people of Wisconsin consider important so I won't speak for them. What I was getting at is that I wasn't a toddler but I was very young. I was taught by my grandfather who was a WWI vet in a remote Arkansas area. He judged me ready to learn and taught me safety first. The weapon was a single shot .22 bolt action youth model which had a cocking piece which enabled the firing pin.

Memory is a tricky thing but it seemed forever before he even let me hold the rifle but I do know he tested me and helped me steady it not taking chances.

It should be remembered that when he was 8 or 10 where he lived the kids helped put meat on the table. He may not have seen a car at that time and farming was with horse or ox. Hunting meant life for many.

I lived in the day where shotguns were locked in a rack inside a pickup against the rear window and parked in high school parking lots and no one thought much of it. Kids just hunting after classes are over.

Different times I admit. We generally knew that shooting carried responsibility and killing was wrong.

The chickenhawk speaks.

 

[mikeymikec]

I wonder whether this is about "hook them while they're young", kinda like that scene in Dogma:

Cardinal Glick: Mass attendance is at an all-time low in this country. But if we can let 'em know the Catholic church has a little panache, we can win 'em back - even get some new ones. Excuse me. (he practice-putts a golf ball into an overturned chalice) Fill them pews, people! That's the key. Grab the little ones as well. Hook 'em while they're young.
Rufus: Kind of like the tobacco industry?
Cardinal Glick: Christ, if only we had their numbers...

IMO this might be about lobbyists (e.g. the NRA) wanting to tie guns into a bit of parent-child bonding time (as well as a "rite of passage" to adulthood) and thus fuel an emotional response every time the NRA shakes the "they want to take our guns away" bogeyman at those people when they've grown up. Thus gun control advocates would be also threatening upstanding Americans' God-given right to bring up their children the way they see fit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The chickenhawk speaks.

Your mom's letting you play with her phone again I see.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Every child in the midwest and south should get an AK-47 from the government. Semi-automatic of course (it is for hunting).

You shouldn't have access to a nerf gun or anything sharp or pointy.

 

[LevelSea]

Wisconsin had 11 incidents, including 1 fatality in 2016. Hunting is a relatively safe outdoor activity and a great revenue generator for conservation purposes. A lot of states also have a mandatory hunter education course.

 

[thilanliyan]

Does not allowing a 9 year old to hunt really promote safety? Or is it just an as you say arbitrary law?

I’d rather leave the discretion up to the parents.

Can a 9 year old really understand the consequences of improper gun use? Do you allow your daughter to drive as well?
Seriously, what happened to playing with dolls and Lego? Kids should be kids,not play with adult toys.

 

[kage69]

Went on my first hunt when I was 11, which was later than many of my friends growing up in rural Maine. I remember seeing deer rifles and shotguns hanging in student trucks in high school when I was a freshman.

Just seeing how many kids are hurt during normal sporting activities and outdoor trekking normally, I don't believe allowing the very young to pack will lead to anything but more accidents and probably fatalities.

This is like a drive thru at a liquor store. It's almost a good idea.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Can a 9 year old really understand the consequences of improper gun use? Do you allow your daughter to drive as well?
Seriously, what happened to playing with dolls and Lego? Kids should be kids,not play with adult toys.

A 9 year old is well past that stage, I’m assuming you have no kids..

 

[Puffnstuff]

Every child in the midwest and south should get an AK-47 AR-15 from the government.

Corrected that for you because we buy American.

Is it just me or are the rich text editing tools not working for other people?

 

[FIVR]

Corrected that for you because we buy American.

Is it just me or are the rich text editing tools not working for other people?

AK-47 is more sturdy, reliable, and requires much less maintenance. It also has fewer moving parts and uses simpler gas-piston instead of gas-impingement.

AR-15 would be good for their second weapon, but if we're going to give weapons to toddlers we should start with AK-47s.

 

[Bitek]

I’m not sure why this is a bad thing, these kids are going to learn gun safety and to respect the weapon etc. Its the kids whose parents don’t know anything about it and have guns laying around the house not locked up and such that are in danger..

Agreed. I learned hunting and gun safety at a much earlier age. It comes down to the responsibility of the parents. State should stay out.

This should not be a controversy unless we want to blow it up into one. I would urge others on the left to respect that and show reasonableness in regards to the gun issue.
This is not the same zip code as allowing free and unlimited purchases of military grade weapons for nut jobs to mow down scores of innocents.

 

[thilanliyan]

A 9 year old is well past that stage, I’m assuming you have no kids..

Would you like to address the first half of my post?
I said kids should not be playing with adult toys.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Would you like to address the first half of my post?
I said kids should not be playing with adult toys.

A gun isn’t a toy and learning how to hunt isn’t "playing".

 

[Puffnstuff]

AK-47 is more sturdy, reliable, and requires much less maintenance. It also has fewer moving parts and uses simpler gas-piston instead of gas-impingement.

AR-15 would be good for their second weapon, but if we're going to give weapons to toddlers we should start with AK-47s.

I think that ABC blocks and encyclopedia's after they learn to read and write would be a much better use of their time. I taught my sons about firearms when they were old enough. They went to the range with me and had a go with everything that I owned at the time. Then we all came home and performed maintenance on each one before we put them back in the safe.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I think there needs to be more data on the issue before we can draw conclusions on the age where hunting is associated with harm. That being said, who exactly out there needs this law? Who is so impatient that they can't wait till 10 years old before letting their kids learn to shoot?

And doesn't the wisconsin legislature have more important thing to be working on?

I don't think you really NEED the right to free speech, you keep saying stupid things.

 

[Thebobo]

I think there needs to be more data on the issue before we can draw conclusions on the age where hunting is associated with harm. That being said, who exactly out there needs this law? Who is so impatient that they can't wait till 10 years old before letting their kids learn to shoot?

And doesn't the wisconsin legislature have more important thing to be working on?

Well yes but NRA

 

[soundforbjt]

Gotta have more customers for the gun manufacturers, start em' young and get them "addicted" early.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Every child in the midwest and south should get an AK-47 from the government. Semi-automatic of course (it is for hunting).

is hunting with an AK any different than hunting with a bolt action 308?

no. 1 - the rounds are similar (and considered safe/interchangeable). 2- it's not like someone's going to be lighting up a deer.

i have no idea why people try and make the statement that hunting with any semi-auto rifle is somehow worse than a bolt-action one.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think that ABC blocks and encyclopedia's after they learn to read and write would be a much better use of their time. I taught my sons about firearms when they were old enough. They went to the range with me and had a go with everything that I owned at the time. Then we all came home and performed maintenance on each one before we put them back in the safe.

Sounds like irresponsible parenting to me.

 

[kage69]

is hunting with an AK any different than hunting with a bolt action 308?

Depends. 7.62x39 was made for distances <300m. 7.62x51 is good out past 700 for hunting, and gives adequate slap and penetration at short to medium distances for big game. I've never heard of anyone using 7.62x39 for stuff bigger than deer, but there are plenty of folks who grab a .308 when they get their moose ticket.

 

[kage69]

Whew! (edit: I didn't say it was youth-specific)

Your wording implied a high capacity accommodation had even been extended to the Youth model. I'm merely pointing out that isn't the case.

Talk about a needless distinction anyway, the 10/22 platform is the Youth .22 these days.