Do you consider the job of a legislator to push voting buttons, or to represent the interests of their constituents?
So your solution to govt is when one side doesnt like what is happening they flee? What a wonderful idea actually. I think the Republicans should do this more often to gridlock govt.
what kind of argument is that? you do realize everyone could get union wages and the corporations and wallstreet (that your so worried about) would still be the some of the richest in the world?
I'm far from rich. I have no college degree and I don't work in a union. But I'm not qualified to speak upon how somebody can make it without unions? your nuts.
Wouldn't work, quorum requirements for the federal government are a simple majority.
what kind of argument is that? you do realize everyone could get union wages and the corporations and wallstreet (that your so worried about) would still be the some of the richest in the world?
How can you represent anybody when you dont show up and flee the state?
this used to be true of a lot of unions. its really not that way anymore with most. the money just isnt there to have incompetent workers on the job. i know you can argue that the teachers unions are ones that still employ underachieving people, but im not sure there is that many qualified people who would actually want those jobs. and now they are going to get paid a lot less, so i dont see how that is going to improve the quality of their work.
but most people dont. a great majority dont. and a great majority of union members live a good life. not a rich life, but a good one so lets not skew the truth here.
Figures, the feds wouldnt want to lose the ability to grow itself.
why are people turning this around into unions forcing themselves onto people? theyre just trying to keep their right to stay organized.
if people dont want to be, they wont be in a union. free country.
why are people turning this around into unions forcing themselves onto people? theyre just trying to keep their right to stay organized. if people dont want to be, they wont be in a union. free country.
Tell that to GM.
gm failed because our economy took a dump of historic levels. we lost a lot of businesses to free trade agreements.
Well aren't you glad? In your opinion, wouldn't this will ensure that all representatives are required to do their jobs and represent their constituencies?
Unions force themselves onto companies. I don't think that's a good thing. It forces situations like GM or teachers unions.
People doing minimal value jobs (assembly line worker for example) expecting to make $75k a year. That's not how it works. That's not a valuable job anymore. Why is it that unions can't accept that?
I love the "anti middle class" argument being put forth by CNN right now.
If the median house hold income in the United States is $46,326 and an individual member of these unions make more than that, they are clearly not in the middle class.
they are willing to accept it. you have to let us debate though, and that did not happen in wisconsin.
besides, teaching is not a minimal value job, thats what we are really discussing here. the teachers union hasnt done anything wrong. wisconsin has some of the best schools in the country and the money is there to pay for it. greed is why its being broken up.
I dont actually support the republicans acting like children and leaving like democrats did in Wisc. I was only making a point to wirednuts if this is the type of democracy he craves, then Republicans should oblige him at the state and national level to gridlock govt.
they are willing to accept it. you have to let us debate though, and that did not happen in wisconsin.
besides, teaching is not a minimal value job, thats what we are really discussing here. the teachers union hasnt done anything wrong. wisconsin has some of the best schools in the country and the money is there to pay for it. greed is why its being broken up.
Buuzzzzz! Wrong answer again. GM was losing enormous amounts of money prior to the economy going south. It was on the fail track anyway, and the recession just accelerated the problem. There are doubtless many reasons as to why it was in trouble, but unsustainable benefits/pensions/costs were at or near the top of the list.
I still have to note however, that the defenders of the 'will of the people' in the health care debate are curiously absent from defending the will of the people in this debate.
Again, what are you talking about? Nothing is being broken up. Collective bargaining powers are getting reigned in, which means unions can't force companies/governments/school districts to commit to unsustainable levels of benefits etc anymore.
i wont argue that. at the same time though, gas was going up and us car companies didnt change to meet the needs of people. ford didnt go under or even take any money.
They aren't willing to accept it. That's the point. There's a reason why unions are shrinking and companies have paid some unions massive amounts of money in order to reduce their ongoing monthly commitments.
They are a drain on companies. If you want to make a living learn to prove your value. Don't rely on the collective bargaining of an entire union to hold a company/organization hostage.