Uh, have you read anything? Have you educated yourself about what is really going on, or are you just spouting the assigned talking points?
You realize you've done nothing but prove you're an idiot across the entire last page? Because the judge ruled in favor of the law and the law goes against what the righties want does not make the judge a leftist or an activist judge. It makes the righties unable to determine between legal and illegal. The right here has already proven it's complete willingness to push their pro-corporate agenda against the will of the people. They admitted with the way they passed this that it had nothing to do with budget issues. It'll get passed again eventually if they follow the rules this time and then the Republicans will get voted out for doing everything it can to hurt the well-being of the middle class.
Hell Yeah! Do you know where this fuck lives?
Can you imagine the reaction if republicans found a judge to rule against Oblamacara? The leftists would start putting people in camps.
Go away please. It is the left that has been sending death threats. They just sent another one from what I heard. They are the ones out of control. You need to troll somewhere else.
Uh, have you read anything? Have you educated yourself about what is really going on, or are you just spouting the assigned talking points?
I've read a lot actually, have you?
Fact. Neither the 24 hours notice required or the 2 hours notice required for special exception was given. This violates a LAW. A judge upholding a law is the exact opposite of an activist judge.
Fact. The republicans effectively admit this bill has nothing to do with budget as they passed it using rules for non-budget items.
Fact. 61% of the nation disagree with this law making it against the will of the people.
Fact. If the republicans want to pass this law again they can do it fairly easily simply by following the rules, it'll take actually posting notice like the law requires.
Opinion. Unions and collective bargaining are a free speech issue and this bill violates free speech rights. I hope someone will sue on those grounds. I have no idea how a judge would rule, but I've given my opinion on that issue.
I've read a lot actually, have you?
Fact. Neither the 24 hours notice required or the 2 hours notice required for special exception was given. This violates a LAW. A judge upholding a law is the exact opposite of an activist judge.
Fact. The republicans effectively admit this bill has nothing to do with budget as they passed it using rules for non-budget items.
Fact. 61% of the nation disagree with this law making it against the will of the people.
Fact. If the republicans want to pass this law again they can do it fairly easily simply by following the rules, it'll take actually posting notice like the law requires.
Opinion. Unions and collective bargaining are a free speech issue and this bill violates free speech rights. I hope someone will sue on those grounds. I have no idea how a judge would rule, but I've given my opinion on that issue.
And of course the judge went on a 10 day vacation right after the ruling.
Are you serious?
If so, it certainly does look like nothing but a delaying tactic. And if so, that's certainly reflects badly on the judge.
Fern
At this point it's all about delay delay delay for the left/democrat party. they want more time for the unions to get contracts in place before the law takes effect - basically sucking every last drop they can before accepting defeat.
I was unaware that the nation (in a random poll) was allowed to vote on a state-specific matter.
The way democracy works is we vote in representatives to vote as our proxy on laws/bills/amendments/etc. We don't get to vote as individuals on each and every topic.
Are you serious?
If so, it certainly does look like nothing but a delaying tactic. And if so, that's certainly reflects badly on the judge.
Fern
Actually, that's a way that a constitutional republic works, which is what the US is. Democracy can work in many ways. The reason I point out the poll is that the right LOVES to claim that they are doing the will of the people. I'm pointing out that in this case they are doing the exact opposite.
Ahh, OK. (Assuming it only required a request from one side to get a different judge).
Edit: Assuming true, then both sides must think the judge fair, or they could've used this as an easy 'out' to get another one.
Fern
Honest question: Why do you say that being anti-union is not doing the will of the people in this case. A conservative was elected. Now he's implementing conservative policy. Why is that so outrageous?
Actually, that's a way that a constitutional republic works, which is what the US is. Democracy can work in many ways. The reason I point out the poll is that the right LOVES to claim that they are doing the will of the people. I'm pointing out that in this case they are doing the exact opposite.
It's not uncommon that an elected official does something that in the end goes against what the people want. The people elect someone who they THINK will enact laws that go in line with their own views. I'd say more often than not the elected official ends up doing something that will help the elected official and not the people. But you hear a lot from conservatives on this board about the Republicans doing the "will of the people". But if 61% are against this and only 33% for it then you have nearly twice as many against it as for it. In that case this is very much not the will of the people. Occasionally politicians will listen to popular opinion and change their views if something they want goes against what the people want. However even though it's apparant the people of the nation and the people in Wisconsin are against this bill, the Republicans are still pushing it. So I'm basically telling the conservatives on this board to quit claiming will of the people since that's obviously not something they care about.
Try again sparky. Even by the right-leaning Rasmussen, the poll shows WI voters don't want collective bargaining done away with. The unions said they were willing to contribute more towards the health benefits and the pensions. That's the compromise.If we're thinking of the same poll, I read that 60% want the governor to compromise and 30% want him to stand his ground.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...on-bill-disapprove-of-democrats-fleeing-state.
To me that suggests that 90% want reforms and only 10% want no reforms. The majority wants more compromise from the governor. So I don't think union supporters can necessarily say that their position is the popular position either.
Anyway, I think what the conservative posters are getting at is that this legislation is going to be passed by validly elected officials. The people acting like this is some completely illegal and fraudulent reform are off-base.
Consistent with a survey conducted last week, a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Wisconsin finds that just 39% favor a proposal to weaken the collective bargaining rights of state employees. Fifty-seven percent (57%) are opposed.
Seems Walker has enticed some businesses to move to wisconsin