Here's the "inconvenient" truth
If Wisconsin will go to shit as the libs think, then the voters of the state will vote Democrat next election, and collective bargaining powers are reinstated. Be like this little squabble never happened.
*BUT* the only reason for libs to be concerned over this legislation, is if it actually *improves* the conditions of the state.
Every single Democrat in the state will be running on public union rights as their primary campaign issue. The voters will get the ultimate say in the matter, not the Governor, not the legislatures.
*That* is the Democratic Process in perfect action.
Why is "the left" so fearful they believe they must win this today and not tomorrow?
That's an irrefutiable point. But the leftist mind sees Corporations = BAD and Union = GOOD so I'm sure he'll come back with some more fud.
The idiot will probably say some crap like that's no worse than a company that lobbies the government for contracts, gets paid with tax payer dollars and then uses that money to fund political campaigns to get friendly politicians re-elected so they'll get rewarded with more contracts.
Read into it however you like. The fact remains:
1. It passed.
2. It is NOT Fiscal by itself.
3. The reason it is needed is it has a HUGE Fiscal impact.
It Passed.
That is a gigantic problem in the US and should be illegal in both cases.
Neither unions nor corporations should be able to contribute to campaigns.
Citizens should, with low caps.
Fraud should be considered an act of treason.
So this won't have impacts on future budgets then?
Wisconsin Citizens 1
Union Thugs and the Liberal Establishment 0
Democracy Haters 0
Democracy 1
Fixed for you
1) Walker can be recalled starting in Jan 2012
2) 8 GOP senators can be recalled now, i believe they only need to recall 3 in order for the Dems to retake the senate
Considering polling shows both people in Wisconsin and America at large opposed to this by double digit margins, I'm sure that all those on here who were so concerned about the 'will of the people' during the health care debate will now be coming out to furiously protest this bill that is being shoved down the throats of the people of Wisconsin.
There are petitions to recall the runaway Democratic senators as well. Maybe the GOP will become even stronger.
Considering how badly this is all polling for the GOP, that appears unlikely. Recall efforts take time to implement, and nobody has good polling on the individual districts. That makes two very big unknowns to consider, but if the districts behave as Wisconsin is polling as a whole the Republicans are facing a slaughter.
People will forget about it in 2 or 3 news cycles.
Unlike your President's health plan which will make everybody's insurance premiums skyrocket. That will make people remember about "hope and change". lol.
If you are going by polling, Obama is looking to get slaughtered in 2012 as well.
Wrong.
To learn more about this I will give you two sources. Enjoy!
http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...val-ratings-dont-predict-re-election-chances/
Go Walker! Use the force for good to defeat the democrats on the dark side of the force, for they are aligned with tyranny and marxism. Defeat them before their debt star destroys us all.
I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty confident that Obama is going to get slaughtered against any competent opponent.
As far as unions go, they really should be cut back into their place. Coming from a former teacher, I can say that I got paid suitable wages. The pension was just a massive frosting on a cake of a decent standard salary and benefits. The cutbacks should, of course, include administrators if they don't. They are paid ridiculous amounts for what they do and their level of competence; they should only be paid as much as teachers, or a little higher for having to work year-round instead of 1/2 - 2/3 a year.
Because it will dramatically affect the states residents in the mean time?
Maybe the dems should of shown up for the vote instead of running?
I doubt it. The economy will likely be doing pretty well in November of 2012, and if that's the case Obama will probably wipe the floor with his opponent no matter who that may be.
Again, my point had nothing to do with whether or not you think the bill is a good idea. The entirety of my point was just to remind those bastions of liberty that we have on these boards that the people's will is being disrespected in Wisconsin, and a bill being shoved down people's throats. Considering their vehement defense of the will of the people before, I'm sure they would want to know.
1. You completely ignored the point of the post you 'replied' to.
2. It would have made zero difference, except that the Repubs could have passed the whole bill with thei 18 votes, instead of the union busting part alone.
The 14 dems would have been 'no' instead of 'not voting'. No difference.
I think that the point a lot of others are making is that the will of the people isn't being trampled on just because a minority of people stage a protest. Your logic would be akin to anti-abortion folks staging a protest, and then just assuming that everyone was anti-abortion and the will of the people was being trampled on.
madison just built a $350 million dollar world-class biological research center, and you think if the dems cant get collective bargaining back soon these types of facilities will continue to go up in wisconsin?
this is pure union busting and they just admitted it.
the republicans are NOT for you. you are not in the top 5% holders of wealth in this country