Wisconsin Senate Passes Union Reform Legislation

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More good news

More districts now could drop insurance arm of teachers union

In freeing school boards from bargaining with employees over anything but inflation-capped wage increases, Wisconsin lawmakers might have opened the floodgates for districts seeking to drop coverage by the state's dominant - and highly controversial - health insurance provider for teachers.

WEA Trust, the nonprofit company started 40 years ago by the state's largest teachers union, currently insures employees in about two-thirds of Wisconsin school districts. The company's market dominance has dropped in recent years, although not as much as some school officials who complain about the company's costs would like.

After switching the district's nonunion employees to a different health insurance carrier, Cedarburg School Board President Kevin Kennedy said his school system is likely to look at cost savings by doing the same for its unionized teachers after unsuccessful attempts in previous years.

"It's such a large-ticket item; it's such low-hanging fruit," he said. "You can lay off an aide or increase your student fees, but that doesn't make up such a magnitude of saving as insurance does."

The survival of WEA Trust's health insurance corporation will depend on its ability to compete with other providers that have more pricing flexibility and a greater range of services, said Dale Thoma, managing partner for insurance broker Willis of Wisconsin Inc. Until now, the insurer was negotiated into contracts by adamant union leaders.

"They're going to have to compete in a different, more wide-open arena," he said. "That's what other insurers deal with, and their ability to respond to that and just compete, I guess, will ultimately determine their position in the market."

Because WEA Trust is named as the carrier in so many school district contracts, it has been largely shielded from such competition in the past, said Andy Serio, a group health insurance consultant.

"There literally is no competition if you're named in the collective bargaining agreement, so that would be the most dramatic effect on WEA," he said. "Because clearly, if you're in a collective bargaining agreement, you're in."

At the beginning of this fiscal year, last July 1, the Brown Deer School District began using a different carrier after years with WEA Trust. The district saved $170,000 in just one year - the equivalent of at least two teachers.

But Steve Lyons, director of public affairs for WEA Trust, said the company is named in only one-third of the school district contracts where it provides health insurance. And of those, in about one-third of contracts it is named as the "standard-bearer," meaning that districts can switch to other carriers if they can find substantially similar plans at lower costs, he said.

That shows, he said, that the company did not have an unfair advantage, as some critics have contended, based on the company's ties to the Wisconsin Education Association Council.

"What happens at the local level is, in the past, prior to the budget, is the local school boards would bargain with the local union and they would come to a consensus and often they chose us," Lyons said.

"We're very competitive in pricing and have been and continue to be."

Lyons also said in an e-mail that the insurer returns 93 cents out of every health care premium dollar back to the districts in health care coverage, while "some of our for-profit competitors keep more than 20 cents out of every dollar."

But Emily Koczela, director of finance for the Brown Deer School District and a former Shorewood School Board member, said the company regularly resorts to methods other than competitive pricing to keep its business.

Earlier this year, the Brown Deer district's teachers union filed a complaint with the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission over the district's decision to switch from WEA Trust. Koczela suspects the move was aimed at protecting the insurance company rather than the employees' benefits, which she said remained the same with the lower-cost carrier.

"They don't know how to compete," she said. "Their way of competing to get my business back is to sue me. That's not how you get business back."

She said she expected the company will encounter a similar reaction from other business managers who have had difficulty in dropping the company in the past, even when they thought they had a contractual right.

"They've provided good service to the teachers, but they haven't provided good service to the people in the business office who sign their contracts," Koczela said.

If WEA is competitive, it has nothing to fear, right?
 

Illusio

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http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/03/examples-of-collective-bargaining-abuse.html

It does appear there is some reform needed. Number 6 is sad, outstanding first year teacher laid off because of lack of seniority.


1. In 2009, the City of Madison’s highest paid employee was a bus driver who earned $159,258, including $109,892 in overtime, guaranteed by a collective bargaining agreement. In total, seven City of Madison bus drivers made more than $100,000 per year in 2009.

2. Correctional Officer collective bargaining agreements allow officers a practice known as “sick leave stacking.” Officers can call in sick for a shift, receiving 8 hours of sick pay, and then are allowed to work the very next shift, earning time-and-a-half for overtime. This results in the officer receiving 2.5 times his or her rate of pay, while still only working 8 hours.

In part because of these practices, 13 correctional officers made more than $100,000 in 2009, despite earning base wages of less than $60,000 per year. The officers received an average of $66,000 in overtime pay for an average annual salary of more than $123,000 with the highest paid receiving $151,181.

3. Under the Green Bay School District’s collectively bargained Emeritus Program, teaches can retire and receive a year’s worth of salary for working only 30 days over a three year period. This is paid in addition to their already guaranteed pension and health care payouts.

4. Due to a 1982 provision of their collective bargaining agreement, Milwaukee Public School teachers actually receive two pensions upon retirement instead of one. The contribution to the second pension is equal to 4.2% of a teacher’s salary, with the school district making 100% of the contribution, just like they do for the first pension. This extra benefit costs taxpayers more than $16 million per year.

5. Some state employees, due to the nature of their positions, are required to carry pagers during off-duty hours in order to respond to emergency situations. Due to the collective bargaining agreements, these employees are compensated an extra five hours of pay each week, whether they are paged or not. For an employee earning an average salary of $50,000 per year, this requirement can cost more than $6,000 in additional compensation.

6. Milwaukee Public Schools teacher Megan Sampson was laid off less than one week after being named Outstanding First Year Teacher by the Wisconsin Council of English Teachers. She lost her job because the collective bargaining agreement requires layoffs to be made based on seniority rather than merit. Informed that her union had rejected a lower-cost health care plan, that still would have required zero contribution from teachers, Sampson said, “Given the opportunity, of course I would switch to a different plan to save my job, or the jobs of 10 other teachers."

7. As a cost cutting measure, Racine County began using county inmates to cut the grass in medians and right-of-ways at no cost to the taxpayers. A county employee union filed a grievance indicating it was the right of government workers to cut the grass, even though it would cost the taxpayers dramatically more.

This is the stuff that annoys me about unions. I heard a radio interview with walker a few weeks ago where he talked about this kind of very thing when he was in a lower office. He talked about how he said he'd have to fire people if the unions didn't make concessions, their response was to go ahead and fire people.

I know I'd be pissed if the person that was negotiating for me got me and a lot of other people fired because they didn't want to give up benefits that were already very generous.
 

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This is pretty ridicules...
In freeing school boards from bargaining with employees over anything but inflation-capped wage increases, Wisconsin lawmakers might have opened the floodgates for districts seeking to drop coverage by the state's dominant - and highly controversial - health insurance provider for teachers.

WEA Trust, the nonprofit company started 40 years ago by the state's largest teachers union, currently insures employees in about two-thirds of Wisconsin school districts. The company's market dominance has dropped in recent years, although not as much as some school officials who complain about the company's costs would like.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/117911244.html

So the teachers union started/owned the company that was responsible for the unions health insurance and the government was forced to pay their rates.

Just another example of why this legislation was needed so badly in Wisconsin.
 
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Sen. Fitzgerald: Email re: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees
3/14/2011

From: Sen.Fitzgerald
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:52 PM
To: *Legislative Senate Republicans
Subject: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

Dear Members,

With the return of the Senate Democrats this weekend, questions have arisen regarding Democrat members’ participation in Senate standing committee public hearings and executive sessions.

Please note that all 14 Democrat senators are still in contempt of the Senate. Therefore, when taking roll call votes on amendments and bills during executive sessions, Senate Democrats’ votes will not be reflected in the Records of Committee Proceedings or the Senate Journal. They are free to attend hearings, listen to testimony, debate legislation, introduce amendments, and cast votes to signal their support/opposition, but those votes will not count, and will not be recorded.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact my office.

Thank you,

Scott Fitzgerald
Senate Majority Leader
13th Senate District
http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=230087

Classy move.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Or more likely, it will get appealed to a higher court thats not based in the country where Madison, WI is an will be upheld.

Or why doesn't the senate pass the original bill now that the fleabaggers are back home? Seems to me like it'd be the best way to go so the courts can't delay or mess with it at all.
 

waffleironhead

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And what do you know of the "open meetings law" and exactly how do you believe they did not follow it?

I'm saying that it would have been a whole lot easier and there wouldnt be any court case right now if they would have just kept to the 24 hour notice, but as far as I have read they didnt even make it the whole 2 hours that are required for the exception.
 

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I find it somewhat curious that the judge needs extra time to rule on this. Many people speak about this rule on TV as though it's a 'black & white' type rule. Either they met the requirements or they didn't.

Does she need extra time to think up some crafty/complicated logic to get the predetermined answer she wants?

Fern
 

comptr6

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I find it somewhat curious that the judge needs extra time to rule on this. Many people speak about this rule on TV as though it's a 'black & white' type rule. Either they met the requirements or they didn't.

Does she need extra time to think up some crafty/complicated logic to get the predetermined answer she wants?

Fern

Of course. What else would an activist judge be doing?
 

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I'm saying that it would have been a whole lot easier and there wouldnt be any court case right now if they would have just kept to the 24 hour notice, but as far as I have read they didnt even make it the whole 2 hours that are required for the exception.

depends on who's clock. It was basically 2 hours.

Sure, 24 would have been better but it doesn't mean 2 hours was illegal. If the left is trying to say ~5 min means the meeting was "illegal" then they have little chance at winning the argument.
 

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I find it somewhat curious that the judge needs extra time to rule on this. Many people speak about this rule on TV as though it's a 'black & white' type rule. Either they met the requirements or they didn't.

Does she need extra time to think up some crafty/complicated logic to get the predetermined answer she wants?

Fern

At this point it's all about delay delay delay for the left/democrat party. they want more time for the unions to get contracts in place before the law takes effect - basically sucking every last drop they can before accepting defeat.
 

Jaskalas

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At this point it's all about delay delay delay for the left/democrat party. they want more time for the unions to get contracts in place before the law takes effect - basically sucking every last drop they can before accepting defeat.

Delay is not for accepting defeat.

Delay is so the idiot voters remove the incumbents as they always do. It's the tide, an ebb and flow. One party cannot remain in power for long, especially during a tough economy. The Democrats WILL resume power in the state, and it's their job to delay the law until then.
 

spidey07

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At this point it's all about delay delay delay for the left/democrat party. they want more time for the unions to get contracts in place before the law takes effect - basically sucking every last drop they can before accepting defeat.

And of course the judge went on a 10 day vacation right after the ruling.
 

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Delay is not for accepting defeat.

Delay is so the idiot voters remove the incumbents as they always do. It's the tide, an ebb and flow. One party cannot remain in power for long, especially during a tough economy. The Democrats WILL resume power in the state, and it's their job to delay the law until then.

good luck with that. Seems Walker has enticed some businesses to move to wisconsin, and people will get over this issue soon enough. The flagrantly pro-union crowd will not be a big force in the next election. They will be there for sure and will try to make tons of noise, but people will have moved on by then.
 

thraashman

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Time to call a vote on the original budget bill as passed by the assembly. The left goes and finds a leftist judge to delay things - I say we turn up the pressure and don't back down.

You realize you've done nothing but prove you're an idiot across the entire last page? Because the judge ruled in favor of the law and the law goes against what the righties want does not make the judge a leftist or an activist judge. It makes the righties unable to determine between legal and illegal. The right here has already proven it's complete willingness to push their pro-corporate agenda against the will of the people. They admitted with the way they passed this that it had nothing to do with budget issues. It'll get passed again eventually if they follow the rules this time and then the Republicans will get voted out for doing everything it can to hurt the well-being of the middle class.
 

spidey07

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You realize you've done nothing but prove you're an idiot across the entire last page? Because the judge ruled in favor of the law and the law goes against what the righties want does not make the judge a leftist or an activist judge. It makes the righties unable to determine between legal and illegal. The right here has already proven it's complete willingness to push their pro-corporate agenda against the will of the people. They admitted with the way they passed this that it had nothing to do with budget issues. It'll get passed again eventually if they follow the rules this time and then the Republicans will get voted out for doing everything it can to hurt the well-being of the middle class.

Actually, the judge ruled this way and then bailed so the unions could scramble and get all their contracts in place before the law could take effect.

Elections have consequences and the adults are in charge now. Sit down and shut up while we get this country back on track.
 

comptr6

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Time to call a vote on the original budget bill as passed by the assembly. The left goes and finds a leftist judge to delay things - I say we turn up the pressure and don't back down.

Hell Yeah! Do you know where this fuck lives?

Can you imagine the reaction if republicans found a judge to rule against Oblamacara? The leftists would start putting people in camps.
 
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