Wisconsin speeding ticket = business opportunity

[courtjester123]

So I get an out-of-state speeding ticket (in Milwaukee county; I'm from Illinois) and not even 2 days later the lawyer letters start arriving in the mail. I'm up to about 10 now in the past few days...30 years experience, we can reduce your fine/points and help you avoid insurance premium increases! and blah blah blah.

BTW, from the research I've been doing, Wisconsin is not in the "Driver's License Compact" where states share driving record information with one another. These lawyer letters specifically state that the speeding violation will be reported to Illinois.

Anyone have experience in this area?

 

[ViviTheMage]

My sister had to pay cash , 250$ a few years ago...got off without a ticket too.

She's from Minnesota.

I know a lot of people from Minnesota that this has happened to, having to pay cash, on the spot in Wisconsin.

 

[vrbaba]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
My sister had to pay cash , 250$ a few years ago...got off without a ticket too.

She's from Minnesota.

I know a lot of people from Minnesota that this has happened to, having to pay cash, on the spot in Wisconsin.

You pay cash to the police officer and he doesn't write you a ticket or give you any other formal acknowledgment of it?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: vrbaba

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
My sister had to pay cash , 250$ a few years ago...got off without a ticket too.

She's from Minnesota.

I know a lot of people from Minnesota that this has happened to, having to pay cash, on the spot in Wisconsin.

You pay cash to the police officer and he doesn't write you a ticket or give you any other formal acknowledgment of it?

Sounds like a good place to be a traffic cop.

Make your quota and the rest is bank...

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: vrbaba

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
My sister had to pay cash , 250$ a few years ago...got off without a ticket too.

She's from Minnesota.

I know a lot of people from Minnesota that this has happened to, having to pay cash, on the spot in Wisconsin.

You pay cash to the police officer and he doesn't write you a ticket or give you any other formal acknowledgment of it?

Never happened to me, happened to my sister + other co-workers that speed through Wisconsin and get caught.


whether they pocket it or not, who cares really, they don't end up with any points.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: courtjester123
So I get an out-of-state speeding ticket (in Milwaukee county; I'm from Illinois) and not even 2 days later the lawyer letters start arriving in the mail. I'm up to about 10 now in the past few days...30 years experience, we can reduce your fine/points and help you avoid insurance premium increases! and blah blah blah.

BTW, from the research I've been doing, Wisconsin is not in the "Driver's License Compact" where states share driving record information with one another. These lawyer letters specifically state that the speeding violation will be reported to Illinois.Anyone have experience in this area?

Your research is flawed....
States that report traffic tickets to your home state

The Interstate Drivers License Compact (DLC) requires member states to report tickets received by motorist to the state where they received a license to drive so as to receive points and get an insurance hike. Also when a state suspends the license of a driver who is from out-of-state, the state where the motorist received a license to drive will also suspend their license as well.

Wisconsin, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, and Michigan are all Non-compact states and don't share Drunk Driving (DUI and DWI) conviction information. This can change in the future however, even after you've gotten a conviction.

States not members of the Drivers License Compact:
?Georgia
?Massachusetts
?Wisconsin
?Michigan
?Tennessee
Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin will report tickets to your home state even though they are not members of the compact.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: courtjester123
So I get an out-of-state speeding ticket (in Milwaukee county; I'm from Illinois) and not even 2 days later the lawyer letters start arriving in the mail. I'm up to about 10 now in the past few days...30 years experience, we can reduce your fine/points and help you avoid insurance premium increases! and blah blah blah.

BTW, from the research I've been doing, Wisconsin is not in the "Driver's License Compact" where states share driving record information with one another. These lawyer letters specifically state that the speeding violation will be reported to Illinois.Anyone have experience in this area?

Your research is flawed....
States that report traffic tickets to your home state

The Interstate Drivers License Compact (DLC) requires member states to report tickets received by motorist to the state where they received a license to drive so as to receive points and get an insurance hike. Also when a state suspends the license of a driver who is from out-of-state, the state where the motorist received a license to drive will also suspend their license as well.

Wisconsin, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, and Michigan are all Non-compact states and don't share Drunk Driving (DUI and DWI) conviction information. This can change in the future however, even after you've gotten a conviction.

States not members of the Drivers License Compact:
?Georgia
?Massachusetts
?Wisconsin
?Michigan
?Tennessee
Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin will report tickets to your home state even though they are not members of the compact.

Almost all of the compact states don't report minor traffic violations like speeding anyway.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

 

[rocadelpunk]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

why, because people continue to speed? Deterrence isn't the only reason laws are passed. Almost every law fails to "deter" violations. Hell, it's well known that people should not drink and drive, and yet every week in my local newspaper the police blotter tends to mention at least one case of someone intoxicated behind the wheel. In the case of DUI/DWI I suspect that the premise for the law is less of a deterrent than in retribution (punishment), whether it be jail time and preventing those convicted of getting behind the wheel, or community service and having a conviction on one's permanent record.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

why, because people continue to speed? Deterrence isn't the only reason laws are passed. Almost every law fails to "deter" violations. Hell, it's well known that people should not drink and drive, and yet every week in my local newspaper the police blotter tends to mention at least one case of someone intoxicated behind the wheel. In the case of DUI/DWI I suspect that the premise for the law is less of a deterrent than in retribution (punishment), whether it be jail time and preventing those convicted of getting behind the wheel, or community service and having a conviction on one's permanent record.

I suggest we execute everyone who breaks the law. Those f----ers need to be punished, damnit!

Retribution is a childish reason for laws. Laws are there to stop people from committing crimes and once they have, ensuring that they do not commit crimes again. Any other reason is just silly.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

Sorry, but I don't want someone driving 85 down the road I live on where my kid likes to ride his bike.

What I think rocadelpunk was getting at however was that they'll never be abolished as it's too much of a money maker for the government. So even though the laws can be unnecessary strict on many road you're not likely to see them go away as they generate a lot of revenue.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

why, because people continue to speed? Deterrence isn't the only reason laws are passed. Almost every law fails to "deter" violations. Hell, it's well known that people should not drink and drive, and yet every week in my local newspaper the police blotter tends to mention at least one case of someone intoxicated behind the wheel. In the case of DUI/DWI I suspect that the premise for the law is less of a deterrent than in retribution (punishment), whether it be jail time and preventing those convicted of getting behind the wheel, or community service and having a conviction on one's permanent record.

I suggest we execute everyone who breaks the law. Those f----ers need to be punished, damnit!

Retribution is a childish reason for laws. Laws are there to stop people from committing crimes and once they have, ensuring that they do not commit crimes again. Any other reason is just silly.

Nice try at a strawman. I disapprove of vigilante justice as a general rule because I believe that the legal system is a fair way to determine guilt and innocence and to punish those it has convicted. I also believe in proportionate punishment and don't believe in killing/execution except in extreme situations. Yes, laws are implimented to dissuade rational people from committing a crime or at least think twice but don't fool yourself; people continue to speed every day despite knowing that traveling at a high speed = less likely to control your vehicle and also means more dmg in a collision (speed + mass is a lethal combination). And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that even those who got pulled over and got a ticket STILL speed. By your own reasoning then, speeding laws are ineffective.

If retribution is a childish reason for laws, then what do we need a criminal justice system or prisons for?. If vigilante justice is distasteful both because it is capricious and uneven, then someone has to punish wrongdoers. Prisons tried 'rehabilitation' decades ago. Guess what? the recidivism rate remained relatively unchanged and criminals still commit crimes at the same rate.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

Sorry, but I don't want someone driving 85 down the road I live on where my kid likes to ride his bike.

It's not that black and white. Low limits in neighborhoods / school zones, etc. are one thing. But artificially crippling 6 lane divided highways at 55 mph is asinine. And then having the nerve to preach about "safety" if anyone dares to challenge the magic 55 mph limit :roll: when anyone with half a brain knows that it's all about grabbing money for the state.

If anything, "safety" would increase if the limit were raised to say 70 mph (I realize that it is 70 in some states). This would decrease the amount of do-gooders who think they're saving teh children by camping at 55 mph in the left lane, and consequently the people going crazy trapped behind these assholes trying to get around them, etc. But of course that means less money for the state (the REAL reason for the artficially low limit), so that is very unlikely to happen.

It would also help if they didn't issue a license to every blind, retarded chimp who walks into the DMV either. Institute a REAL driver's ed program, which emphasizes "slower traffic keep right," "turn signals are golden" and other rules (both written and unwritten) that would generally make the roads a much better place to be.

Also, the whole driver's ed / acquiring a license process needs a complete overhauling. If your ass sucks at driving, you FAIL the test, and repeat it until you are at least somewhat proficient - or, take the damn bus. Not the current bullshit where all you have to do is take a common sense test and bam, license. We could learn a few things from Europe in this area, I think.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: courtjester123
So I get an out-of-state speeding ticket (in Milwaukee county; I'm from Illinois) and not even 2 days later the lawyer letters start arriving in the mail. I'm up to about 10 now in the past few days...30 years experience, we can reduce your fine/points and help you avoid insurance premium increases! and blah blah blah.

BTW, from the research I've been doing, Wisconsin is not in the "Driver's License Compact" where states share driving record information with one another. These lawyer letters specifically state that the speeding violation will be reported to Illinois.Anyone have experience in this area?

Your research is flawed....
States that report traffic tickets to your home state

The Interstate Drivers License Compact (DLC) requires member states to report tickets received by motorist to the state where they received a license to drive so as to receive points and get an insurance hike. Also when a state suspends the license of a driver who is from out-of-state, the state where the motorist received a license to drive will also suspend their license as well.

Wisconsin, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, and Michigan are all Non-compact states and don't share Drunk Driving (DUI and DWI) conviction information. This can change in the future however, even after you've gotten a conviction.

States not members of the Drivers License Compact:
?Georgia
?Massachusetts
?Wisconsin
?Michigan
?Tennessee
Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin will report tickets to your home state even though they are not members of the compact.

Almost all of the compact states don't report minor traffic violations like speeding anyway.

speeding is NOt a minor traffic violation....sheese

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

really? so doing 60mph down my little street across from the school is A-OK?

 

[BurnItDwn]

You might want to seriously consider the ambulance chasers. I wound up paying a lot more for my insurance for several years due to getting a speeding ticket in Wisconsin and I live in IL. As others are saying, they will report it to IL, and chances are, your insurance rates will be jacked up quite a bit for the next 3-5 years. I drive 20-30 over on rural IL highways, but in WI, I try to keep it to 5-10 over no matter how irrationally low the speed limit is. (for instance, the vast openness between Milwaukee and Green Bay in I43, 65mph speed limit, road is straight, lanes are wide, should be safe for 90-100mph easy, but I just set the cruise to 70ish and go with the flow of traffic.)

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

really? so doing 60mph down my little street across from the school is A-OK?

Speeding is different from Reckless Driving.

15+ is Reckless Driving here.

 

[Jadow]

It's because of the easy access to records in wisconsin. You can see everything through the wisconsin circuit court website, and there's lawyers who go through it every day.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

really? so doing 60mph down my little street across from the school is A-OK?

Speeding is different from Reckless Driving.

15+ is Reckless Driving here.

and without limits who would you differentiate between plain ole speeding and reckless driving?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

Sorry, but I don't want someone driving 85 down the road I live on where my kid likes to ride his bike.

What I think rocadelpunk was getting at however was that they'll never be abolished as it's too much of a money maker for the government. So even though the laws can be unnecessary strict on many road you're not likely to see them go away as they generate a lot of revenue.

I think the poster was suggesting that our speed laws were more like Germany's. They have no speed limit on highways but they do have limits on smaller roads. Also, just because there is no posted limit on a street doesn't mean people are going to go 85 mph on it.

The way the system is set up now there's too much of an incentive for local governments to set up ridiculously low limits in order to generate revenue.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
speeding laws are ineffective and need to be abolished

lol

quoted for when he comes back to earth.

As usual, the people that are correct tend to be viewed as the village idiots.

really? so doing 60mph down my little street across from the school is A-OK?

Speeding is different from Reckless Driving.

15+ is Reckless Driving here.

and without limits who would you differentiate between plain ole speeding and reckless driving?

Germany seems to have no problem making that differentiation. You're making it sound like if there was no speed limit it would be impossible to enforce other laws. Yet other countries are able to do it without a problem.

 

[courtjester123]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
You might want to seriously consider the ambulance chasers. I wound up paying a lot more for my insurance for several years due to getting a speeding ticket in Wisconsin and I live in IL. As others are saying, they will report it to IL, and chances are, your insurance rates will be jacked up quite a bit for the next 3-5 years. I drive 20-30 over on rural IL highways, but in WI, I try to keep it to 5-10 over no matter how irrationally low the speed limit is. (for instance, the vast openness between Milwaukee and Green Bay in I43, 65mph speed limit, road is straight, lanes are wide, should be safe for 90-100mph easy, but I just set the cruise to 70ish and go with the flow of traffic.)

Thanks for the information. This is the kind of direct experience I was looking for. I was ticketed for 70 in a 55. The limits were flip-flopping between 65 & 55 and I thought 70 was fairly safe for a 65, just didn't notice it went back down to 55.

Now I need to decide if I show up in court and just ask for leniency or if I try to get one of the lawyers involved to do it for me. I'm probably making more out of this than I really should. I haven't had any kind of traffic citation in about 10 years.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: courtjester123
So I get an out-of-state speeding ticket (in Milwaukee county; I'm from Illinois) and not even 2 days later the lawyer letters start arriving in the mail. I'm up to about 10 now in the past few days...30 years experience, we can reduce your fine/points and help you avoid insurance premium increases! and blah blah blah.

BTW, from the research I've been doing, Wisconsin is not in the "Driver's License Compact" where states share driving record information with one another. These lawyer letters specifically state that the speeding violation will be reported to Illinois.Anyone have experience in this area?

Your research is flawed....
States that report traffic tickets to your home state

The Interstate Drivers License Compact (DLC) requires member states to report tickets received by motorist to the state where they received a license to drive so as to receive points and get an insurance hike. Also when a state suspends the license of a driver who is from out-of-state, the state where the motorist received a license to drive will also suspend their license as well.

Wisconsin, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, and Michigan are all Non-compact states and don't share Drunk Driving (DUI and DWI) conviction information. This can change in the future however, even after you've gotten a conviction.

States not members of the Drivers License Compact:
?Georgia
?Massachusetts
?Wisconsin
?Michigan
?Tennessee
Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin will report tickets to your home state even though they are not members of the compact.

where'd you find this?