“[There were] nine [Department of Natural Resources] agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth,” Mr. Schulze told WISN 12. “It was like a SWAT team.”
The agents were there to retrieve a baby deer named Giggles that was dropped off by a family worried she had been abandoned by her mother, the station reported. Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.
“I said the deer is scheduled to go to the wildlife reserve the next day,” Mr. Schulze told the station. “I was thinking in my mind they were going to take the deer and take it to a wildlife shelter, and here they come carrying the baby deer over their shoulder. She was in a body bag. I said, ‘Why did you do that?’ He said, ‘That’s our policy,’ and I said, ‘That’s one hell of a policy.’”
Department of Natural Resources Supervisor Jennifer Niemeyer told WISN 12 that the law requires DNR agents to euthanize wild animals because of their potential danger.
Most of the people in the police force are either ex-military or adrenaline and authority junkies. The act of getting suited up and rolling out is a major high to these people, any time there is a deployment they are chomping at the bit to go out fully decked out. This is why so many warrants are being served via "dynamic entry", busting down doors, flashbangs, guns out, screaming "Police! on the ground!" It's a thrill and these guys crave it.
Imagine no one in the U.S. was vaccinated against some lethal disease with no known cure, and some aliens took one of us and stuck us in the middle of a country where that disease was spreading, with plans to move us back into the U.S. Any idea what the impact would be if that person was carrying that disease? That's what the risk is like to the deer herds.
As I pointed out in the other thread. They moved the deer into an area where there is a lethal disease spreading among the deer population & they had planned to move that deer into another area.
Imagine no one in the U.S. was vaccinated against some lethal disease with no known cure, and some aliens took one of us and stuck us in the middle of a country where that disease was spreading, with plans to move us back into the U.S. Any idea what the impact would be if that person was carrying that disease? That's what the risk is like to the deer herds.
Me: I'm able to set aside the image of the cute cuddly precious little baby deer that has everyone saying, "awwww", and instead, think rationally about it.
im good with that. what im not good with is sending 9 jack booted thugs in to put a bullet in a fawns head. and the Wildlife chick making some analogy about using max force against drug dealers... it just turned into bizzaro land.
This has nothing to do with police. It was DNR agents.
Exactly, send two or three agents in, have them calmly explain the situation and the reason; confiscate the deer or have the shelter staff euthanize it in their presence and be on their way.
No need for the SWAT team stuff unless they refuse to go about things the nice way.
As I pointed out in the other thread. They moved the deer into an area where there is a lethal disease spreading among the deer population & they had planned to move that deer into another area.
Imagine no one in the U.S. was vaccinated against some lethal disease with no known cure, and some aliens took one of us and stuck us in the middle of a country where that disease was spreading, with plans to move us back into the U.S. Any idea what the impact would be if that person was carrying that disease? That's what the risk is like to the deer herds.
Me: I'm able to set aside the image of the cute cuddly precious little baby deer that has everyone saying, "awwww", and instead, think rationally about it.
On the other hand, look at how much publicity this case got. You think some other bleeding heart is going to say, "ohhh, look at the cute Bambi! Let's take it home!" before thinking, "hmmm, or maybe not."
When we treat crimes with a little pat on the wrist, others see no reason not to try to get away with the same thing. Look at things like people committing welfare fraud - worst case is usually they simply have to pay restitution. "Let's see - I can steal thousands of dollars from the system. I'll probably not get caught. But, if I do get caught, I'll just have to pay it back. But, I can't pay it back, so there's nothing they can do."
On the other hand, look at how much publicity this case got. You think some other bleeding heart is going to say, "ohhh, look at the cute Bambi! Let's take it home!" before thinking, "hmmm, or maybe not."
Exactly, send two or three agents in, have them calmly explain the situation and the reason; confiscate the deer or have the shelter staff euthanize it in their presence and be on their way.
No need for the SWAT team stuff unless they refuse to go about things the nice way.
You are still going to have idiots that do that no matter the publicity or not.
Most shelters operate on shoestring budgets, the last thing they want is to be in trouble with the law and have to deal with potential fines or lawyer fees to defend itself.
Dealing with the situation in a rational manner would have allowed them to put rules in place for the future to deal with that type of scenario without the SWAT stuff or the bad PR that goes with it. Everyone wins.
It has to do with the adrenaline rush. Federal agents, DNR, police. All the same.
These guys literally get off on suiting up and rolling out.
No. These show of force events don't make a statement, they piss people off.
They've been trying to 'make a point' the same way about drugs. Let's put our foot down and make a statement to strike some fear into those druggies!
40 years later..
What if there are 5 people inside who would sooner be willing to part with their lives than give up the deer?
That is why you need to double their number + some (13 agents sounds good), have guns cocked, locked and ready to rock, and be ready for anything. DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO ROLL OUT!
I want some more details on "It was like a SWAT team" means.
These guys work/volunteer at a no-kill animal shelter, which generally means they are left/liberal leaning, therefore hate guns and are afraid of them. They could have seen one rifle and were like "OMG MACHINE GUNS!!!"