Wisconsin to be 25th RTW state!

[CADsortaGUY]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-wisconsin-right-to-work-20150306-story.html

"Today's a great day for individual liberty," said Republican Rep. Dan Knodl, of Germanton, at a news conference just prior to debate starting.

Vos argued during debate that right to work will make unions stronger because they will have to be more responsive to members to make them feel like it's worth it to pay their dues.

Exactly right. The old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your union but don't force others to pay for it.
And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the union being forced to represent non-union members - try again. The union doesn't have to be formed as an exclusive unit, they have the option not to. Look it up and educate yourself...

Win for Wisconsin and a win for worker freedom!

 

[sandorski]

Ahh, more Union busting doublespeak. The Worker has now been butt fucked and left to the whims of Employers to do as they please.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Ahh, more Union busting doublespeak. The Worker has now been butt fucked and left to the whims of Employers to do as they please.

You mean the union is left to the whims of it's members now? Maybe the unions should have thought about the repercussions of becoming what they used to fight against instead of fighting to hold on to power and money.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-wisconsin-right-to-work-20150306-story.html


Exactly right. The old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your union but don't force others to pay for it.
And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the union being forced to represent non-union members - try again. The union doesn't have to be formed as an exclusive unit, they have the option not to. Look it up and educate yourself...

Win for Wisconsin and a win for worker freedom!

Do you get paid for being a shill?

I hope so, because that's the only way that spreading such propaganda is in your own self interest.

http://www.wrongforeveryone.com/more-facts-on-right-to-work/

 

[berzerker60]

Time to get rid of vaccines! People don't get rubella or measles anymore! That old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your vaccines but don't force others to have them. And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the vaccinated being important for people other than themselves - try again.

To paraphrase a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsberg, getting rid of unions because management doesn't fuck over workers quite at much as in the 19th century is like getting rid of an umbrella in a rainstorm because you're not getting wet. Unions protect against management abuses even for those who aren't in the unions. Really short-sighted and damaging.

 

[DCal430]

I have seen how awful unions are with taking my money for politicians against my will. Money I have to pay taxes on.

 

[DCal430]

Time to get rid of vaccines! People don't get rubella or measles anymore! That old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your vaccines but don't force others to have them. And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the vaccinated being important for people other than themselves - try again.

To paraphrase a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsberg, getting rid of unions because management doesn't fuck over workers quite at much as in the 19th century is like getting rid of an umbrella in a rainstorm because you're not getting wet. Unions protect against management abuses even for those who aren't in the unions. Really short-sighted and damaging.

Unions fuck over workers all the time. My union did, taking money from may pay check without permission and giving it to politicians I don't support.

 

[sandorski]

Unions fuck over workers all the time. My union did, taking money from may pay check without permission and giving it to politicians I don't support.

That's fucking over Workers? Your bar seems misaligned.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

That's fucking over Workers? Your bar seems misaligned.

I'd call forcibly taking money from workers by a 3rd party they want nothing to do with "fucking over workers". You don't?

 

[brycejones]

Next up the freedom from minimum wage act, hot on the heals of the internet freedom act.

Right to Work should be renamed to "Right to give up all bargaining power and get reamed". Unions can and do go to far at times with stupid work rules however flat out union busting laws like this one are going to far the other direction.

 

[glenn1]

Time to get rid of vaccines! People don't get rubella or measles anymore! That old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your vaccines but don't force others to have them. And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the vaccinated being important for people other than themselves - try again.

To paraphrase a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsberg, getting rid of unions because management doesn't fuck over workers quite at much as in the 19th century is like getting rid of an umbrella in a rainstorm because you're not getting wet. Unions protect against management abuses even for those who aren't in the unions. Really short-sighted and damaging.

Wisconsin didn't ban unions outright so I don't see why you're posting these hysterics. Even in right-to-work states employees can still be required to pay union dues to cover costs of collective bargaining and the like. Now the union is simply required to make an actual value proposition why employees should become full members of the union instead of legally obligating them to be.

 

[sandorski]

I'd call forcibly taking money from workers by a 3rd party they want nothing to do with "fucking over workers". You don't?

Unions bring Workers better Wages, Benefits, and Working Conditions. If that's fucking them over, then we have differing definitions of what fucking in this context is. No one is being forced into a Union Job.

 

[DCal430]

You know federal workers lack collective bargaining powers, they cannot strike either. Yet federal workers do very well.

 

[DCal430]

Unions bring Workers better Wages, Benefits, and Working Conditions. If that's fucking them over, then we have differing definitions of what fucking in this context is. No one is being forced into a Union Job.

They can do those things without stealing money from employees to give to politicians.

If you think it is OK for unions to do this then you should have no problem with private companies taking their employees money, money they pay taxes on, to give to republicans. Because no one has to work at any job.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Time to get rid of vaccines! People don't get rubella or measles anymore! That old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your vaccines but don't force others to have them. And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the vaccinated being important for people other than themselves - try again.

To paraphrase a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsberg, getting rid of unions because management doesn't fuck over workers quite at much as in the 19th century is like getting rid of an umbrella in a rainstorm because you're not getting wet. Unions protect against management abuses even for those who aren't in the unions. Really short-sighted and damaging.

vaccines? really? you think that even remotely fits this discussion? warped analogy IMO.

Ginsberg is from the industrial era of thinking so no doubt she thinks that. Also, RTW doesn't disallow unions - it just allows workers the choice. If unions have value then workers will pay the extortion money... er dues and will want to join. no?

 

[DCal430]

Obama talks of workers rights, but he still denies federal workers collective bargaining rights. Obama could issue an executive order to restore their collective bargaining rights.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Unions bring Workers better Wages, Benefits, and Working Conditions. If that's fucking them over, then we have differing definitions of what fucking in this context is. No one is being forced into a Union Job.

It doesn't always bring better wages, benefits, and conditions - sometimes it brings layoffs, outsourcing, etc.
Also, you are correct in RTW states. no one will be forced to join a union if they apply for/take a job they want to do. It's freedom for workers! You know... "choice" sort of like allowing workers to have a say in how they spend thier paycheck

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Next up the freedom from minimum wage act, hot on the heals of the internet freedom act.

Right to Work should be renamed to "Right to give up all bargaining power and get reamed". Unions can and do go to far at times with stupid work rules however flat out union busting laws like this one are going to far the other direction.

lol, obamanet might just make an "internet freedom act" a necessity... but that's a diversion from this thread.

Non-RTW states should be called "right to extort money from workers by a 3rd party" states.

 

[sandorski]

They can do those things without stealing money from employees to give to politicians.

If you think it is OK for unions to do this then you should have no problem with private companies taking their employees money, money they pay taxes on, to give to republicans. Because no one has to work at any job.

Private Companies take the result of their Employees labour and support Politicians that Workers may or may not support already.

 

[sandorski]

It doesn't always bring better wages, benefits, and conditions - sometimes it brings layoffs, outsourcing, etc.
Also, you are correct in RTW states. no one will be forced to join a union if they apply for/take a job they want to do. It's freedom for workers! You know... "choice" sort of like allowing workers to have a say in how they spend thier paycheck

More doublespeak. Unions don't Outsource or Layoff. Freedom for Workers just means removing their bargaining power and submitting their employment to the whims of the Employer.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Private Companies take the result of their Employees labour and support Politicians that Workers may or may not support already.

An employer and employee exchange time/labor for money. If either isn't happy with the arrangement they can terminate the relationship. So no, your little attempt to whine about companies supporting politicians doesn't compare to unions(a 3rd party) forcing workers to pay.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

More doublespeak. Unions don't Outsource or Layoff. Freedom for Workers just means removing their bargaining power and submitting their employment to the whims of the Employer.

They can cause a company to have to make that decision if labor costs are too high for the market they are in.
A worker can still join a union in a RTW state so no, it's no "removing" anything from the worker - it's giving them a CHOICE.

 

[senseamp]

Unions are a last century construct, like the American middle class.

 

[sandorski]

They can cause a company to have to make that decision if labor costs are too high for the market they are in.
A worker can still join a union in a RTW state so no, it's no "removing" anything from the worker - it's giving them a CHOICE.

Like I said, if a Worker despises Unions, they already have the choice of joining a non-Union workplace. No freedom has been gained.

 

[DCal430]

Private Companies take the result of their Employees labour and support Politicians that Workers may or may not support already.

That is nothing like taking from the employees pay check
Again money they pay taxes on, and giving it to union
What unions do is no different than raiding my bank account.