unions are thugs. my dad was threatened because he worked for a non-union company, and union workers were mad because they lost bids due to their inefficiency and high costs
unions are thugs. my dad was threatened because he worked for a non-union company, and union workers were mad because they lost bids due to their inefficiency and high costs
Just more of the usual anti-democratic aspects of the right wing. Union workplaces are created by a majority vote of workers. They do that because of a perceived need for more power to deal with management. In right to starve states, it doesn't work nearly as well for workers overall because there are always plenty of boneheads who believe that management sees them as something special rather than as replaceable units in a machine. By refusing to participate, they weaken the bargaining power of the union and thus worsen their own circumstances. They can't see that, of course, because freedumb is more important to them.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-wisconsin-right-to-work-20150306-story.html
Exactly right. The old industrial age thinking is going away as it should. For those that want to cling to it, fine have your union but don't force others to pay for it.
And before some idiot comes in and starts talking out of his ass about the union being forced to represent non-union members - try again. The union doesn't have to be formed as an exclusive unit, they have the option not to. Look it up and educate yourself...
Win for Wisconsin and a win for worker freedom!
unions are thugs. my dad was threatened because he worked for a non-union company, and union workers were mad because they lost bids due to their inefficiency and high costs
Yup, and we (rightly) regulate the formation and M&A of corporations.
"Our wages and benefits are 'competitive.'"...
"Having worked construction in California for 25 years, I saw the "best non-union companies" in the region...they consistently paid their workers $10-$15/hr less than their unionized counterparts...and usually with either zero benefits, of minimal benefits."
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I always found it interesting that conservatives supported laws like this so much, considering that they are simply the government stepping in and limiting the kind of business deals that two private parties can make.
Why are you guys so against government interfering in the private sector except for when it involves unions?
Right to work laws are a violation of freedom of association. I'm fine with regulating this sort of economic behavior, I just find it interesting that conservatives apply their doctrine of freedom so selectively in this case.
It is an attempt to take away Unions altogether. Stop with the doublespeak already.
Then opt-out. As s state employee, you have the right to become an "agency employee." You'll no longer be a union member...but WILL have to pay the agency fees
Of course, if you do...and for whatever find yourself NEEDING union representation...it might not be quite as good as you would get as a union member...
Ahh, more Union busting doublespeak. The Worker has now been butt fucked and left to the whims of Employers to do as they please.
In other words unions have to demonstrate that they provide a value to their members rather relying on the use of government to force everyone who seeks employment to join their ranks. Of which this view isn't anti-union but PRO-CHOICE for the worker.
No, it is not a violation of freedom of association, everyone is free to associate and join the union if they choose. They are given the choice, not prevented from joining the union.
i eagerly await your endorsement of regulations that allow people to benefit from the work of those corporate conglomerates without investing in them.
Right to work laws are a violation of freedom of association. I'm fine with regulating this sort of economic behavior, I just find it interesting that conservatives apply their doctrine of freedom so selectively in this case.
On the flip side... lets look at a state like Michigan where the headquarters of GM is lcoated. If it were not for the Federal government... unions would have led to the destruction of GM.
They are not allowing two private entities to associate in whatever way they see fit. It's unquestionably a violation of freedom of association.
There's a reason why a lot of conservatives oppose right to work laws as fundamentally incompatible with conservative values.
How so? If the union adds value, the workers are free to join. Either the union is beneficial to the workers or not. Are you saying workers are incapable of making that decision themselves, that government needs to force them to join? Or, are you saying unions are in fact not beneficial to the workers, so they won't join, so removing the laws forcing them to join is doing away with unions?
I don't see the logic. If a union could increase my benefits, offer me protection and be an overall benefit, why would anyone need to force me to join? In reality I would not join a union because I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
Then opt-out. As s state employee, you have the right to become an "agency employee." You'll no longer be a union member...but WILL have to pay the agency fees, since you will still enjoy the benefits of collective bargaining...wages, fringe benefits, etc...or do you think you should get all that without having to pay for it? Kind of like a form of welfare...freeloaders abound in the state worker pool.
Of course, if you do...and for whatever find yourself NEEDING union representation...it might not be quite as good as you would get as a union member...
-Bash the unions.
-Vote for more trickle down.
-Complain about the middle class disappearing.
It's the American way.
That is like saying we should have no minimum wage because workers are free to go else where.
My union requires you to Opt-out every year in the narrow window. I said I tried to opt out just over a month after I joined, the union refused saying I am required to opt-out within 30 days of employment. The union lied to people by making them think we opt in already or we can opt out at any time. That is a lie, we have days to hand deliver an optout letter.
There is no reason why there is an automatic opt in when you join and each year after.
New employees are not informed of the right to opt out and they are not informed of the limited window to opt out, which ranges from 14 to 30 days.
What is funny, you can opt in at any time. There us no opt in window just an opt out window. The union never informs people if you opt in, it can't be undone. It is permanent until the opt-out period. Each year everyone is automatically opted-in.