Witness 40: Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson

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On Oct. 23, the grand jury heard a tape of investigators picking apart McElroy’s story and then listened to her testify in person, as prosecutors asked questions that poked additional holes in her claims.

McElroy said she knew that prosecutors were trying to discredit her. “They were trying to discredit me because of my racial slurs,” she said.

The prosecutors actually made W40 look bad in front of the GJ.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_4cf83e2e-5241-50ce-a3e5-0097eb9b31dc.html
 

Svnla

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Are you unable to separate the actions of the legitimate protesters from the actions of the illegitimate looters? Do you really want society to get to a point where attacking the government becomes a reality?

And without the "protests", there would be NO looting, burning, and destroying businesses because the cops would squash them like lowlife bugs that they are. The looters/rioters would not dare to take on anyone with a gun. See examples of Katrina and LA riot.

It's an unfortunate consequence of what happens when people reach their tipping point.

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses for lawless behavior. Are we still a nation of law and order or are we a nation of anarchy/rioting/looting?
 

ivwshane

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And without the "protests", there would be NO looting, burning, and destroying businesses because the cops would squash them like lowlife bugs that they are. The looters/rioters would not dare to take on anyone with a gun. See examples of Katrina and LA riot.



Excuses, excuses, and more excuses for lawless behavior. Are we still a nation of law and order or are we a nation of anarchy/rioting/looting?

Lol! That's kind of the point isn't it? We have citizens who are expected and required to follow the law and then we have another group who seem to be above the law and aren't held responsible for their actions.

What did you think was going to happen?
 

ivwshane

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Svnla

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Lol! That's kind of the point isn't it? We have citizens who are expected and required to follow the law and then we have another group who seem to be above the law and aren't held responsible for their actions.

What did you think was going to happen?

The GJ had spoken. You can whine and bitch and make excuses all you want. My point is still valid. Peaceful protest = yes. Riot, loot, destroy businesses = NO. Period.
 

ivwshane

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So everyone in ferguson was rioting and looting? Or was it a smaller group? Or are you just painting everyone with a wide brush just to make a point?
 
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Excellent! You wouldn't happen to know where about in the transcripts the prosecutors question her do you?


I still don't understand why, witnesses with faulty stories, were allowed to give testimony. An indictment isn't the time to put forth both sides of the story, that's what a trial is for.

The theory is that the Prosecutor has a close relationship with the Police so he intentionally threw in "witnesses" that he knew were weak to distract the Jurors.
You could also say that it was a weak case to begin with so he didn't want it to advance because he had more important items to deal with.
 

TreVader

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The GJ had spoken. You can whine and bitch and make excuses all you want. My point is still valid. Peaceful protest = yes. Riot, loot, destroy businesses = NO. Period.


A grand jury can be reconvened at any time if the prosecutor decides there is evidence to indite. The rioting was punishment for the prosecutor for refusing to do his job.


I wish they had destroyed all of Missouri. What a trash state.
 

soundforbjt

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Probably won't happen...but

If Maura McShane, the Presiding Judge of the 21st Circuit, agrees with this assessment, she could appoint a new prosecutor and effectively restart the case against Darren Wilson.
Under Missouri law (MO Rev Stat § 56.110) the presiding judge of the court with criminal jurisdiction — in this case Judge McShane — can appoint another prosecutor if the prosecuting attorney demonstrates a conflict of interest or bias. Courts have interpreted this provision broadly to include “conflicts that reveal themselves through the prosecutor’s conduct in the case.” In State v. Copeland, a 1996 case, a Missouri court replaced the prosecutor because the judge “sensed that [the prosecutor’s] sympathies for [the defendant] may have prevented him from being an effective advocate for the state.” The judge “found the adversarial process to have broken down in that [the prosecutor] appeared to be advocating the defendant’s position.”







http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...could-restart-the-case-against-darren-wilson/
 

TreVader

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No duh it won't happen.


At this point I would guess that if a uniformed police officer summarily executed no less than 10 white children they might consider indicting the officer. On film of course. And it would have to be 1080p 60fps no console BS.
 
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A grand jury can be reconvened at any time if the prosecutor decides there is evidence to indite. The rioting was punishment for the prosecutor for refusing to do his job.


I wish they had destroyed all of Missouri. What a trash state.
Have you been tested?
 

HomerJS

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The theory is that the Prosecutor has a close relationship with the Police so he intentionally threw in "witnesses" that he knew were weak to distract the Jurors.
You could also say that it was a weak case to begin with so he didn't want it to advance because he had more important items to deal with.

That may be the case so why not turn it over to special prosecutor? Community already has impression system is rigged.

Even if result turned out the same the case would have been "prosecuted".
 

blankslate

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Nor will there ever be a trial.

That is because a local prosecutor with ties to local police officers apparently wasn't really invested in seeking an indictment.

I've seen and heard some lawyers remarking on TV and radio remarking that it's rare that a grand jury doesn't indict

the information presented in this article supports those lawyers who say that it is extremely rare that a Prosecutor doesn't get a Grand Jury to indict and allow a trial to go forward.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/
Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.

Wilson’s case was heard in state court, not federal, so the numbers aren’t directly comparable. Unlike in federal court, most states, including Missouri, allow prosecutors to bring charges via a preliminary hearing in front of a judge instead of through a grand jury indictment. That means many routine cases never go before a grand jury. Still, legal experts agree that, at any level, it is extremely rare for prosecutors to fail to win an indictment.

“If the prosecutor wants an indictment and doesn’t get one, something has gone horribly wrong,” said Andrew D. Leipold, a University of Illinois law professor who has written critically about grand juries. “It just doesn’t happen.”

It is enough to make some wonder if the prosecutor in Ferguson really wanted an indictment of Officer Wilson.



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SMOGZINN

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It is enough to make some wonder if the prosecutor in Ferguson really wanted an indictment of Officer Wilson.

There should be no question. If he wanted an indictment all he had to do was show one or two pieces of evidence supporting Wilson being guilty to the Grand Jury, or better yet direct indict without going to a Grand Jury at all. This was all a show in the hope that interest would die down, or failing that to have a scapegoat so the DA's office didn't take all the heat.
 

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There should be no question. If he wanted an indictment all he had to do was show one or two pieces of evidence supporting Wilson being guilty to the Grand Jury, or better yet direct indict without going to a Grand Jury at all. This was all a show in the hope that interest would die down, or failing that to have a scapegoat so the DA's office didn't take all the heat.

IMO, the fact that the DA's father was a police officer made it highly unlikely that the DA would have sought an indictment.
 

TreVader

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in other words, mob justice.

get a life troll.


Says the 49yo in his moms basement with 30,000 posts yet inexplicably no good ideas...



Ferguson didn't hold its officers accountable and they are paying for it now. We all are.
 

cabri

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A grand jury can be reconvened at any time if the prosecutor decides there is evidence to indite. The rioting was punishment for the prosecutor for refusing to do his job.


I wish they had destroyed all of Missouri. What a trash state.

What then was his job? To have a trial of a person that should not be tried to satisfy bloodlust?

Ferguson didn't hold its officers accountable and they are paying for it now. We all are.

Accountable for what; doing their job, trying to protect the public?
 

cabri

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The theory is that the Prosecutor has a close relationship with the Police so he intentionally threw in "witnesses" that he knew were weak to distract the Jurors.
You could also say that it was a weak case to begin with so he didn't want it to advance because he had more important items to deal with.

Has any witness come forward to disprove the evidence?

the DA office provided anyone that claimed to have information and let the GJ decide; no filtering.
 

cabri

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There should be no question. If he wanted an indictment all he had to do was show one or two pieces of evidence supporting Wilson being guilty to the Grand Jury, or better yet direct indict without going to a Grand Jury at all. This was all a show in the hope that interest would die down, or failing that to have a scapegoat so the DA's office didn't take all the heat.

That may be the case so why not turn it over to special prosecutor? Community already has impression system is rigged.

Even if result turned out the same the case would have been "prosecuted".


His job is to serve the public interest; not railroad an innocent person for political and/or racial cover.

We saw what happened with Zimmerman; and you want to put the country through this again just because you want someone to swing even though they are innocent and were being setup by thugs, charlatans and politicians.

Had a special prosecutor been appointed and decided to not charge, the result would have been the same.

If there was any evidence of wrongdoing, the Feds would be on Wilson.

People are still showing that they are so butthurt because the system worked this time and they want something based on race, not fairness.
 
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I agree the Ferguson protests were a disaster but I don't believe their grievances are being ignored. If anything, it seems like their grievances are only picking up in steam. While ATPN is not indicative of the wider world, just look at how many police brutality threads there are. Look at the nearly unanimous desire by just this one forum for on body cameras for law enforcement. While the protests in Ferguson have detracted a bit from their message, the message, in my humble opinion, still seems to be spreading. The saddest part about all of this is that it takes so long for things to hit a tipping point before there's enough activism to try and push for a change.
And, regardless of any of the "witness" testimony, the physical evidence - the stuff that doesn't lie, all points to it being a justifiable shooting. Why would he want to indict a man when all of the physical evidence supports his innocence? Anyone with a lukewarm IQ who has read about all of the physical evidence knows that there's no way in the world an honest jury would find him guilty of any crime.
 

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His job is to serve the public interest; not railroad an innocent person for political and/or racial cover.

Do you think the public interest was served? Do you think the shopkeepers who's store was looted feels that the public interest was served? Do you think that the protesters or looters feel that the public interest was served? Do you think that Browns parents feel that the public interest was served? Only the Wilson and the police feel that the public interest was served.

And, regardless of any of the "witness" testimony, the physical evidence - the stuff that doesn't lie, all points to it being a justifiable shooting. Why would he want to indict a man when all of the physical evidence supports his innocence? Anyone with a lukewarm IQ who has read about all of the physical evidence knows that there's no way in the world an honest jury would find him guilty of any crime.

If we got a trial, open and in the public, then everyone would be able to see that as a defense attorney did his job to explain how the evidence proves that Wilson is innocent. Wilson would have been acquitted and the protests and rioting would have been much less.

But instead we got a secret sort-of-trial with one person who might have been biased towards siding with wilson, that got to decide what was and was not evidence. All of it told to us afterwards in a very dense document that we have to trust is accurate and not altered by the very people that the protesters are claiming are corrupt.
 
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