Witness 40: Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson

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soundforbjt

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Actually I listened to a black man who didn't realize he was being recorded (Black Conseco video) just minutes after the incident describe what occurred. He confirmed that Brown turned and was coming back towards Wilson when he was shot. He described the shot volleys just as were later discovered/released in another recording. He also stated that Dorian ran by where he was so his story concerning what occurred was a lie. Then I looked at the autopsy which showed that media darlings did not see what they claimed. Finally I reviewed the police data of the scene that showed there were shell casings beyond Brown's body. All of this corroborates Wilson's story.


You on the other was sucked in by the media's false narrative yet again. Guess emotion is far stronger than intelligence/logic in your case.

LOL ! You got all your info from Breitbart's
CTH site, quit trying to make it look like it was due to your own search for the truth...It was spoon fed to you.
 

Londo_Jowo

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LOL ! You got all your info from Breitbart's
CTH site, quit trying to make it look like it was due to your own search for the truth...It was spoon fed to you.

LOL!!!! The video and evidence doesn't lie. I would be ashamed if I allowed myself to be suckered by the media's false narrative such as yourself, ivwshane, garfieldthecat, and other "so called" educated people.
 

soundforbjt

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Given how racist CTH is, I surprised you visit the place so regularly. I wouldn't be surprised to find out if witness 40 got info there or is a member.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Actually I listened to a black man who didn't realize he was being recorded (Black Conseco video) just minutes after the incident describe what occurred. He confirmed that Brown turned and was coming back towards Wilson when he was shot. He described the shot volleys just as were later discovered/released in another recording. He also stated that Dorian ran by where he was so his story concerning what occurred was a lie. Then I looked at the autopsy which showed that media darlings did not see what they claimed. Finally I reviewed the police data of the scene that showed there were shell casings beyond Brown's body. All of this corroborates Wilson's story.


You on the other was sucked in by the media's false narrative yet again. Guess emotion is far stronger than intelligence/logic in your case.

Nope, did you listen to his friends testimony? That refuted Wilson's? Guess thug kids testimony doesn't count.

And no comment on why DA's can't allow lying witnesses to testify? That would seem to be a major ethical breach of your golden DA right? Just going to kind of ignore that as usual? Anything you don't agree with, just ignore it and it never happened? Typical.

Explain why the DA allowed witnesses that he knew was lying (and the DA made it easy, he himself stated that he allowed it). That is at least an ethical breach, if not a criminal violation. Or does it fall under the black thug rule, where it's OK, since they were bums?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Given how racist CTH is, I surprised you visit the place so regularly. I wouldn't be surprised to find out if witness 40 got info there or is a member.

Given how you know more about CTH than I do I would say you visit there far more than I do. The video I mentioned was linked in the original thread in here, the autopsy was linked in here as well as released to the media by Crump & Associates, and the police incident scene drawing was linked in here as well as released to the media by the DA's office. So other than the video all were available outside of CTH however, don't let that stop from accusing someone of using a "racist" site.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Nope, did you listen to his friends testimony? That refuted Wilson's? Guess thug kids testimony doesn't count.

And no comment on why DA's can't allow lying witnesses to testify? That would seem to be a major ethical breach of your golden DA right? Just going to kind of ignore that as usual? Anything you don't agree with, just ignore it and it never happened? Typical.

Explain why the DA allowed witnesses that he knew was lying (and the DA made it easy, he himself stated that he allowed it). That is at least an ethical breach, if not a criminal violation. Or does it fall under the black thug rule, where it's OK, since they were bums?

What friend? Dorian? The witness in the video clearly stated that he ran past him. So he could not have seen what he claims and there were no shots from behind as he claims. The evidence speaks volumes and proves many of the witnesses against Wilson could not have seen what that claim nor what they claimed occurred but keep on believing the false narrative and trying to find something the DA did wrong to divert from the evidence that corroborates Wilson's story.
 

soundforbjt

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Given how you know more about CTH than I do I would say you visit there far more than I do. The video I mentioned was linked in the original thread in here, the autopsy was linked in here as well as released to the media by Crump & Associates, and the police incident scene drawing was linked in here as well as released to the media by the DA's office. So other than the video all were available outside of CTH however, don't let that stop from accusing someone of using a "racist" site.

You, yourself linked to CTH in the main thread here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37013237&postcount=6043

 

Londo_Jowo

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You, yourself linked to CTH in the main thread here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37013237&postcount=6043


Yes, I did but it had already been linked in the thread months before and the only place hosting the data.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36672210&postcount=3076

Here's where it was mentioned first. As I said all the information I reviewed had either been posted in the forum and/or released to the media. I still bet you've spent more time on CTH than I have. I also bet you're one of those who watch FoxNews to see what they're saying while bitching about their influence/ratings.
 
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shira

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I do recall quoting the article not quoting Fox News.

Fox News asserted Witness 40 proved Wilsons side of the story.

My entire contention is there are enough witnesses who's testimony conflicts to the degree where it should have gone to trial and that's where their credibility gets sorted out.

It is improper to do this in a probable cause hearing (GJ)
The DA determines whether or not to bring the case before the grand jury. If the DA is pretty sure that the prosecution cannot win a conviction in the case, the case won't be brought before the grand jury.

In the Ferguson case - given the physical evidence and the conflicting eyewitness testimony, it's pretty clear that a finding by a jury of "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" was a pipe dream. And under normal circumstances the DA would simply have decided not to proceed with the case. But given the incredible anger and media attention surrounding this case, can you imagine what would have happened if the DA had done that?

So it's abundantly clear that the DA brought the case before the grand jury in order to be "transparent." Unfortunately, that's resulted in it own problems. Really, there was no good way of handling a case like this.

The existence of one more "liar eyewitness" does nothing to alter the conclusion that there is simply too much exculpatory hard evidence and too much exculpatory testimony to allow a verdict of "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt." No reasonable jury on Earth would convict. So why on earth should this case have been brought to trial?
 

ivwshane

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The DA determines whether or not to bring the case before the grand jury. If the DA is pretty sure that the prosecution cannot win a conviction in the case, the case won't be brought before the grand jury.

In the Ferguson case - given the physical evidence and the conflicting eyewitness testimony, it's pretty clear that a finding by a jury of "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" was a pipe dream. And under normal circumstances the DA would simply have decided not to proceed with the case. But given the incredible anger and media attention surrounding this case, can you imagine what would have happened if the DA had done that?

So it's abundantly clear that the DA brought the case before the grand jury in order to be "transparent." Unfortunately, that's resulted in it own problems. Really, there was no good way of handling a case like this.

The existence of one more "liar eyewitness" does nothing to alter the conclusion that there is simply too much exculpatory hard evidence and too much exculpatory testimony to allow a verdict of "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt." No reasonable jury on Earth would convict. So why on earth should this case have been brought to trial?


Except the grand jury isn't required to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, that's what a trial is for.

Burden of proof. Petit juries decide whether defendants are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Grand juries decide whether probable cause exists to believe suspects guilty and issue indictments (that is, to charge suspects with crimes).

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-are-grand-juries.html


This will be the second time I've posted this and I've corrected this falsehood multiple times now.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Except the grand jury isn't required to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, that's what a trial is for.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-are-grand-juries.html

This will be the second time I've posted this and I've corrected this falsehood multiple times now.

That's not what Shira said, he was talking about had the case made to a trial jury and not the grand jury.

In the Ferguson case - given the physical evidence and the conflicting eyewitness testimony, it's pretty clear that a finding by a jury of "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" was a pipe dream.
 

ivwshane

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That's not what Shira said, he was talking about had the case made to a trial jury and not the grand jury.

Fail! Again, right in the first scentence of his post!

The DA determines whether or not to bring the case before the grand jury. If the DA is pretty sure that the prosecution cannot win a conviction in the case, the case won't be brought before the grand jury.

Do you know what a grand jury is?
 

Londo_Jowo

Lifer
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Fail! Again, right in the first scentence of his post!

Do you know what a grand jury is?

He's still not saying what you want so badly to make it to be so you can "Be right!!!!".

You've been wrong throughout this case and will continue to be so. The only way you can be right is to put words in other peoples mouths or twist their words.
 

shira

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Fail! Again, right in the first scentence of his post!



Do you know what a grand jury is?
LJ is correct about what I was saying. A DA brings a case before a grand jury in order to move forward with the prosecution. If a DA doesn't believe that a conviction can be won during a criminal trial, it's pointless and a waste of taxpayer money for him/her to seek an indictment before a grand jury.
 

Darwin333

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What friend? Dorian? The witness in the video clearly stated that he ran past him. So he could not have seen what he claims and there were no shots from behind as he claims. The evidence speaks volumes and proves many of the witnesses against Wilson could not have seen what that claim nor what they claimed occurred but keep on believing the false narrative and trying to find something the DA did wrong to divert from the evidence that corroborates Wilson's story.

Lying to a grand jury is perjury. A DA knowingly allowing someone to lie to a grand jury is called suborning perjury and is a felony.

He admitted knowing that a witness lied to the grand jury, the only question right now is when he knew. If he knew beforehand then he committed a crime.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Lying to a grand jury is perjury. A DA knowingly allowing someone to lie to a grand jury is called suborning perjury and is a felony.

He admitted knowing that a witness lied to the grand jury, the only question right now is when he knew. If he knew beforehand then he committed a crime.

Now all you have to do is prove when he knew. None the less, it's doesn't change the fact the "No bill" decision was the right one based on the evidence in the case.
 

Darwin333

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Now all you have to do is prove when he knew. None the less, it's doesn't change the fact the "No bill" decision was the right one based on the evidence in the case.

That would probably come out during the trial of the already known case of perjury. Oh but you know what, I bet for some odd reason that despite his own admission to knowing of a crime that no charges have or will be brought.

Would you like to speculate why that is, especially in a town that issues something like 3 arrest warrants per household (or resident, something absurd) in the jurisdiction per year. Not like they are against charging and arresting people for petty bullshit, I would think blatant perjury and attempting to subvert justice would be a tad more important than arresting someone who didn't pay their traffic ticket. How about you?
 

Greenman

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I think the cop (forgot his name) should start dating George Zimmerman, then marry him and adopt a black child.

I think heads would actually explode.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Now all you have to do is prove when he knew. None the less, it's doesn't change the fact the "No bill" decision was the right one based on the evidence in the case.

Man, you really must love that DA to let him get away with so much unethical activity.

He lets white cops off for lying to the GJ? No problem for you. Only killed some black bums.

Admits to letting known liars testify? No problem as well. You got the result you wanted.

Your post is quite telling and speaks to what is important to you...white cop gets off, so it's all good. Everything else is irrelevant.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Man, you really must love that DA to let him get away with so much unethical activity.

He's innocent until proven otherwise


He lets white cops off for lying to the GJ? No problem for you. Only killed some black bums.

I have no control of what happened 14 years ago and pissing/moaning now will not change what occurred

Admits to letting known liars testify? No problem as well. You got the result you wanted.

He also allowed those that lied against Wilson testify as well (Piaget, Tiffany, Dorian, and a few others)

Your post is quite telling and speaks to what is important to you...white cop gets off, so it's all good. Everything else is irrelevant.

I could care less what color a person is, they are to be considered innocent until proven guilty.

There's no evidence that Wilson committed a crime, the evidence corroborated Wilson's sequence of events that occurred that day, and the grand jury got it right with their "No bill" decision. I'm sorry you're so blinded by race that you can't see the truth.
 
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