Witness 40: Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson

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ivwshane

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Ha! From the group who believes looting, rioting, burning, arson is okay, scapegoating is okay, lying in order to "prove" police are racist bastards, just so "the big picture" is taken care of.

What is "the big picture"? A system that needs a little tweaking? It's not perfect? It's a system run by humans. It will never be perfect. The only way you are achieving perfection is to have multiple sets of recording devices recording everything everywhere, controlled by multiple independent entities.

Or is it the school system? or the lack of jobs?

No, it's white police officers hunting black kids for sport! The non-indictment of Wilson means that black lives have no value in this country! It's open-season to hunt blacks without any repercussions!

The people involved in the riots don't even know what "the big picture" is. And those in leadership positions who do know "the big picture" are not informing the angry what that big picture is, they are stoking the anger by perpetuating the false myths that keep them angry.

You've flip-flopped so often it's not funny.

The big picture is that the system is not perfect? It's controlled by humans. And whether it's controlled by white, black, brown, yellow skinned people, there will always be flaws.

When the Congressional Black Caucus makes the statement that the non-indictment confirms black lives have no value, seriously, what is the big picture? Is that the big picture? It's not my job to coddle you and say they are totally right, when they are wrong.


I don't think many on "your side" understand "the big picture" either. I don't see a whole lot of agreement on specifics. Certainly not from those in position to use and manipulate your anger for their personal gain. Have fun being a puppet rather than actually doing anything productive Go shout racism some more around this forum, see if it actually makes your life any better. My guess is it doesn't


More straw man from you and linking me to some other group I don't associate with.

Dishonesty seems to be your thing, have fun with that
 

SMOGZINN

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Ha! From the group who believes looting, rioting, burning, arson is okay, scapegoating is okay, lying in order to "prove" police are racist bastards, just so "the big picture" is taken care of.

No one believes that, that is your strawman that you are trying to beat to make it easier for you to believe that the system that favors you is not broken.

All that is going on because people are angry, when the common man gets angry he starts to break shit because he knows no other way to express it. That is what you need to pay attention to. They are angry, and we have to do something about it.

What is "the big picture"? A system that needs a little tweaking? It's not perfect? It's a system run by humans. It will never be perfect. The only way you are achieving perfection is to have multiple sets of recording devices recording everything everywhere, controlled by multiple independent entities.

The system is broken right now. It is a system that starts with the assumption that some people are guilty and others are innocent, based mostly on race and/or class. It is a system that is starting to look a lot like a plutocracy.
 
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Witness FOURTY.... understand this young child.

The jury had to go through all kinds of grueling shit to come to their conclusion, and you are basing some kind of re-trial on some witness that supposedly wasn't present?

Yes, we know. If one thing was for certain, it was OBVIOUS that witness' are the last thing you should trust in cases like this. More so AGAINST Wilson than for him. This is quite possibly the dumbest fucking thread you could have made when talking about how much false evidence comes from witness'.

But like most things, you liberals love your cherry pickin'
 

SMOGZINN

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The jury had to go through all kinds of grueling shit to come to their conclusion, and you are basing some kind of re-trial on some witness that supposedly wasn't present?

There can't be a re-trial because there was never a trial.
 

shortylickens

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Was the kid a criminal? Yes.

Honestly, I find it hard to be upset about there being one less criminal on the streets.

While I do believe that in some cases the police are overstepping their jurisdiction (mostly in the "war on drugs") and while I don't condone vigilantism, I simply can't be upset about taking a gangbanger lowlife being off the streets.


I dont care if he was an alter boy.

He attacked a cop and got shot. Thats it. Thats all this really is.


Everything else is fucking window dressing for a bogus political agenda that never had much merit to begin with. If people hadnt started protesting I dont think the news would have even covered it. This is such a minor issue compared to everything else going on in America and I am sad so many people wasted time and energy and attention on it while real problems went ignored.
 

Riparian

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I dont care if he was an alter boy.

He attacked a cop and got shot. Thats it. Thats all this really is.


Everything else is fucking window dressing for a bogus political agenda that never had much merit to begin with. If people hadnt started protesting I dont think the news would have even covered it. This is such a minor issue compared to everything else going on in America and I am sad so many people wasted time and energy and attention on it while real problems went ignored.

While the protesters in Ferguson chose a poor champion for their cause, it does not mean their cause does not have merit. It is quite apparent that police are becoming ever more militarized against civilians and particularly against civilians in low income neighborhoods. Ivwshane is correct in his condemnation of how there seems to be two justice systems, but the answer is to make it more stringent for there to be indictments instead of allowing prosecutors to easily indict on an extreme charge to force a plea deal.
 
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ivwshane

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While the protesters in Ferguson chose a poor champion for their cause, it does not mean their cause does not have merit. It is quite apparent that police are becoming ever more militarized against civilians and particularly against civilians in low income neighborhoods. Ivwshane is correct in his condemnation of how there seems to be two justice systems, but the answer is to make it more stringent for their to be indictments instead of allowing prosecutors to easily indict on an extreme charge to force a plea deal.

Thank you!

For a minute I thought I was speaking a foreign language because people kept blabbing about some point I was never making.
 

shortylickens

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I agree their grievances are legit, the problem is they handled in the worst way. And now their legit grievances will be ignored for years. They did not help themselves at all.

They should have marched on the state capital or something.
 

SMOGZINN

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I agree their grievances are legit, the problem is they handled in the worst way. And now their legit grievances will be ignored for years. They did not help themselves at all.

They should have marched on the state capital or something.

They have been making this complaint for decades, they HAVE marched on the capital. This is the same complaint that the L.A. riots in 1992 were over. Nothing is going to change until people are mad enough to force a change. We are getting to that point.
 

Riparian

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I agree their grievances are legit, the problem is they handled in the worst way. And now their legit grievances will be ignored for years. They did not help themselves at all.

They should have marched on the state capital or something.

I agree the Ferguson protests were a disaster but I don't believe their grievances are being ignored. If anything, it seems like their grievances are only picking up in steam. While ATPN is not indicative of the wider world, just look at how many police brutality threads there are. Look at the nearly unanimous desire by just this one forum for on body cameras for law enforcement. While the protests in Ferguson have detracted a bit from their message, the message, in my humble opinion, still seems to be spreading. The saddest part about all of this is that it takes so long for things to hit a tipping point before there's enough activism to try and push for a change.
 

Svnla

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While the protesters in Ferguson chose a poor champion for their cause, it does not mean their cause does not have merit. It is quite apparent that police are becoming ever more militarized against civilians and particularly against civilians in low income neighborhoods. Ivwshane is correct in his condemnation of how there seems to be two justice systems, but the answer is to make it more stringent for there to be indictments instead of allowing prosecutors to easily indict on an extreme charge to force a plea deal.

And how looting, burning, and destroying innocent local businesses (some of them were own by black owners) help their case? If they have a problem with the police, go burn, loot, and destroy the po po place if they dare. Oh, too chicken shit and don't want to get shot to death on the street, eh?
 

DCal430

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Sickening, hope they arrest this woman. With all of crap, the governor needs to step on and an independent prosecutor needs to indict Wilson on murder. The current prosecutor needs to be disbarred, and charged with obstruction of justice.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Sickening, hope they arrest this woman. With all of crap, the governor needs to step on and an independent prosecutor needs to indict Wilson on murder. The current prosecutor needs to be disbarred, and charged with obstruction of justice.

Agree, the woman and other witnesses who lied should be charged and tried. As far assigning a new prosecutor to indict Wilson can not and will not happen, the grand jury already decided and the case is over.
 

DCal430

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Agree, the woman and other witnesses who lied should be charged and tried. As far assigning a new prosecutor to indict Wilson can not and will not happen, the grand jury already decided and the case is over.

You are wrong a grand jury decision isn't final nor is it subject to double jeopardy. The fact is the prosecutor could call a new GJ or indict him directly now.
 
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ivwshane

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And how looting, burning, and destroying innocent local businesses (some of them were own by black owners) help their case? If they have a problem with the police, go burn, loot, and destroy the po po place if they dare. Oh, too chicken shit and don't want to get shot to death on the street, eh?

It's an unfortunate consequence of what happens when people reach their tipping point.
 

LegendKiller

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It's an unfortunate consequence of what happens when people reach their tipping point.

No, its a reaction when they are too engrained in their institutionalized ignorance to realize that there is a life beyond ghetto talk, wear, and behavior. There is life beyond 70% single mothers and black-on-black crime. When they stop blaming externalities for their problems is the day they actually improve their lot in life.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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No, its a reaction when they are too engrained in their institutionalized ignorance to realize that there is a life beyond ghetto talk, wear, and behavior. There is life beyond 70% single mothers and black-on-black crime. When they stop blaming externalities for their problems is the day they actually improve their lot in life.


No, that's what you want to believe, anything else would require you to ignore American history with regards to riots.
 

LTC8K6

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Sickening, hope they arrest this woman. With all of crap, the governor needs to step on and an independent prosecutor needs to indict Wilson on murder. The current prosecutor needs to be disbarred, and charged with obstruction of justice.

The GJ was aware of the lying witnesses, so their testimony cannot have played much of a part in the GJ decision not to indict, imo.

I doubt a new GJ would make a different decision.
 

Riparian

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And how looting, burning, and destroying innocent local businesses (some of them were own by black owners) help their case? If they have a problem with the police, go burn, loot, and destroy the po po place if they dare. Oh, too chicken shit and don't want to get shot to death on the street, eh?

Are you unable to separate the actions of the legitimate protesters from the actions of the illegitimate looters? Do you really want society to get to a point where attacking the government becomes a reality?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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The GJ was aware of the lying witnesses, so their testimony cannot have played much of a part in the GJ decision not to indict, imo.

I doubt a new GJ would make a different decision.

I wasn't aware the grand jury was made aware of falsified testimony and yet the prosecutor still allowed it?

Do you have a link to back up that claim?
 
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I wasn't aware the grand jury was made aware of falsified testimony and yet the prosecutor still allowed it?

Do you have a link to back up that claim?

So far I've only seen the prosecutor admitting to knowing that various witnesses (for both narratives) were lying but I haven't seen anything claiming that information was told/explained to the grand jury.
 
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LTC8K6

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I wasn't aware the grand jury was made aware of falsified testimony and yet the prosecutor still allowed it?

Do you have a link to back up that claim?

It's pretty clear in the GJ transcripts, imo.

She admits that her testimony is full of things she heard and read.

She told the GJ that she suffers from memory issues.
 
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LTC8K6

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If you read the transcripts, it's pretty clear that W40 was not believed, imo.
 
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