WMD - Bekaa Valley

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Lifer
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4. In his testimony, the head of the Iraq Survey Group noted that the Group
continued to look for weapons of mass destruction. He also said he did not believe
that the Survey Group had sufficient information and insight at that time to make
final judgements with confidence as to Iraq?s weapons of mass destruction
programmes and to determine the truth of their existence.
He said that more work
had to be done to gather critical information about the regime, its intentions and its
capabilities. He also pointed to a number of practical difficulties facing his team,
including security, delays in translating documentation and the continued reluctance
of Iraqi personnel to speak freely.

The same .pdf from the report.
 

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Lifer
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14. In general, from 1999 to 2002 Iraq procured a variety of dual-use biological
and chemical items and materials, including chemicals, equipment and spare parts.
To date, UNMOVIC has found no evidence that these were used for proscribed
chemical or biological weapon purposes. Although some of the goods may have
been acquired by Iraq outside the framework of mechanisms established under
Security Council resolutions, most of them were later declared by Iraq to
UNMOVIC in its semi-annual monitoring declarations.

Owned.
 

Jhhnn

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Nice link, Tylanner, except that the headline doesn't match the story, and the story doesn't substantiate Irwincur's allegation in the slightest...

All the hoopla traces back to the previously mentioned Jack Shaw, who merely claimed that blah,blah,blah.... "American Intelligence" & etc....

Oh, yeh, and satellite photos taken after the war was over show that scrap metal scavengers were taking advantage of a lawless situation, stripping Iraq clean of anything they could get across the border and sell for cash... No Sh!t, Sherlock... It in no way confirms the headline... Making the World Tribune an obvious rag...

Either somebody's reading comprehension levels are extremely poor, or the desire to believe, to trust, to have a "strong leader" is absolutely overwhelming...
 

NeoV

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Irwin, I have to ask....

if all these countries, and all these satellites, picked up images of convoys heading into the Bekaa Valley area from Iraq........um...don't you think maybe:

A) someone other than you would be pushing for the complete inspection of the area?
B) it might have been mentioned by this administration in an effort to stem the tide of criticism about all of the failures in Iraq?
C) someone would have found something there?
D) we might have found someone who saw something being buried there?
E) that the intel about the stockpiles of WMD's was wrong?

 

irwincur

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"During the last few months leading up to the Iraq war, some of Saddam's arsenal of WMDs was apparently being shipped across the Syrian border for safe-keeping. The Israelis believed that the bulk of it kept going, to be buried in Lebanon's Beka'a Valley, under Hezbollah control.

Now, our intelligence sources can disclose exclusively that the relocation of Iraq's WMD systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq. The banned arsenal, hauled in giant tankers from Iraq to Syria and from there to the Bekaa Valley under Syrian special forces and military intelligence escort, was discharged into pits 6-8 meters across and 25-35 meters deep dug by Syrian army engineers. They were sealed and planted over with new seedlings. Nonetheless, their location is known and detectable with the right instruments. Our sources have learned that Syria was paid about $35 million to make Saddam Hussein's forbidden weapons disappear.

The first part of this report matches what David Kay learned after spending several months in Iraq searching for the whereabouts of Saddam's arsenal. "We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved." The report was further corroborated by CIA satellite photos showing fleets of trucks moving from Iraq to Syria during February and March 2003. A Syrian journalist named Nizar Nayuf defected to the West in January 2004. He claimed to know of three locations in Syria where Saddam's WMDs were buried in February 2003. - Mensnewsdaily April 2004"

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IN FIRST, U.S. VOICES ASSESSMENT OF WMD TO SYRIA
WASHINGTON [MENL] -- For the first time, the U.S. intelligence community has
released an assessment that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were
transferred to neighboring Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S.-led war
against the Saddam Hussein regime.

U.S. officials said the assessment was based on satellite images of convoys
of Iraqi trucks that poured into Syria in February and March 2003. The
officials said the intelligence community assessed that the trucks contained
missiles and WMD components banned by the United Nations Security Council.

The U.S. intelligence assessment was discussed publicly for the first time
by the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency in a briefing in
Washington on Tuesday. James Clapper, a retired air force general and a
leading member of the U.S. intelligence community, said he linked the
disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks that entered
Syria before and during the U.S. military campaign to topple the Saddam
regime.

"I think personally that the [Iraqi] senior leadership saw what was coming
and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the
evidence," Clapper said. "I'll call it an educated hunch." - Middle East Newsline, 10/29/03

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml

http://www.nationalreview.com/geraghty/geraghty200401120834.asp

http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/secure/2004/5_25/me.asp?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/28/inter...1085457600&en=085ab29b91f15c17&ei=5070


Wow, it took me a whole ten minutes to find those. Liberals here have been complaining for weeks that there is no evidence, this is simple proof that they never looked. They decided to live in their hate Bush, fluffy bunny world instead of trying to comprehend facts and evidence. Is this a surprise, hell no. I have never met a liberal that really lived full time in the real world.
 

Darkhawk28

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Just thought of something. Maybe Bush's spell is starting to wear off.

I think Bush-supporters are starting to have their consciouses leak out. They're so desperate to find those WMD's, so VERY desperate, in an effort to ease their conscious over the support of an illegal war, the death of 1500 American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
 

NeoV

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I'll again ask the question for those of you still clinging to the hope of this war being justified....

If we knew where the WMD's were shipped to and buried, why start the war? Why not just go to this place, take it over, and grab the WMD's? Why not bomb these truck convoys? Why not have a UN inspection team sent there? Why haven't we been to this valley yet? Why hasn't Bush, Powell, Rice, or Cheney, all of whom are no stranger to grasping at straws, tried to mention this as a possible answer to the 'where are the WMD's?' question?

Who exactly are the "worldnewsdaily"'s intelligence sources? You?

The whole thing is really quite pathetic - get over it, there were no WMD's, we either had really bad intel or we didn't care and wanted to invade anyway - you can pick one of those, but please stop trying to tell us the WMD's are out there.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: irwincur
What was illegal about it... It was mandated by the UN after all.
BULLSH8! The U.S. invasion of Iraq was NEVER mandated by the U.N. :|
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: irwincur
What was illegal about it... It was mandated by the UN after all.
BULLSH8! The U.S. invasion of Iraq was NEVER mandated by the U.N. :|

Can you tell me what the proper response to twelve years of "fuck you" is?

I think the Bush admin made a mistake in selling this as a "new" war. They should have gone about it as a renewal of hostilities because Saddam wouldn't hold up his end of the ceasefire.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: irwincur
What was illegal about it... It was mandated by the UN after all.
BULLSH8! The U.S. invasion of Iraq was NEVER mandated by the U.N. :|

Can you tell me what the proper response to twelve years of "fuck you" is?

I think the Bush admin made a mistake in selling this as a "new" war. They should have gone about it as a renewal of hostilities because Saddam wouldn't hold up his end of the ceasefire.

But, but, but..

Some would say that the UN was jerking Saddam around for the those thelve years.
He was just mis-understood and was not a threat to anyone.

The US pushed him over the edge. He was just minding his own business and trying to be the baddest boy on the block.

 

NeoV

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so the UN inspectors are meaningless, but the UN resolutions that were violated aren't?

Can't have it both ways, can you?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: NeoV
so the UN inspectors are meaningless, but the UN resolutions that were violated aren't?

Can't have it both ways, can you?

He did violate many resolutions, but that doesn't mean you need to spend $250 Billion and effect the lives of thousands.
 

StageLeft

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Yeah right, I've heard this now for a few years. I'm not biting anymore. If they find WMD, great, but I'm not holding my breath.
Then point out where the UN mandated an Iraqi invasion.
According to the UN, yes it was illegal. By US law it was not, so it depends who you go by
 

irwincur

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The UN CLEARLY AUTHORIZED serious consequences for not complying. Just because France, Russia, and China were so ar in Saddam's pockets to be honest does not mean that this resolution did not exist. Serious consequences really only mean one thing.

However, as liberals always do, you will rewrite the history texts, forget about these 'small' details and portray America as a nasty evil imperialist power. All along sucking up our resources and welfare.


Need I also inform you that Saddam had never complied with the original treaty making it totally null and void. We (including the UN) were still at war. Once again if France, Russia, and Germany were not busy cashing in and trying to protect their filthy a**es, that would have also seen it this way.

But, alas, the corruption of the UN failed to uphold its very rules, laws, and regulations. Big surprise there considering it is run by perhaps the most corrupt ring of thugs and dictators ever assembled and given power on the planet. Good job liberals. You have created a deadbeat super group.

Fuck*ng losers.



Reason #8056548096 why liberals suck a**.
 

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irwincur,
For the 100000000 time I tell you guys this "serious consequences" is not the wording to authorize the use of force, that wording is "by any means necessary", this is a fact, and dont try to rewrite the facts
 

MoFunk

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