wolverine

[CasioTech]

guess who

 

[Atlantean]

I didn't like that they had Juggernaut as a mutant... and he is Charles Xavier's half brother in the comics.

 

[SZLiao214]

Im still reading the profiles at the marvel site. Its been an hour

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: Atlantean
I didn't like that they had Juggernaut as a mutant... and he is Charles Xavier's half brother in the comics.

yes he is. I remember that for sure.

 

[hdeck]

he can't get diseases. his healing power is way too aamzing!

 

[torpid]

Juggernaut was not born as a mutant but did they ever establish that his powers were not based on the x-factor mumbo jumbo and simply caused by the crystal? If the phoenix force avatar is a mutant why can't juggernaut be considered one?

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: torpid
Juggernaut was not born as a mutant but did they ever establish that his powers were not based on the x-factor mumbo jumbo and simply caused by the crystal? If the phoenix force avatar is a mutant why can't juggernaut be considered one?

Because it's totally bastardizing the story of one of Marvel's most popular (on again, off again) supervillians?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: torpid
Juggernaut was not born as a mutant but did they ever establish that his powers were not based on the x-factor mumbo jumbo and simply caused by the crystal? If the phoenix force avatar is a mutant why can't juggernaut be considered one?

Because it's totally bastardizing the story of one of Marvel's most popular (on again, off again) supervillians?

Well, in the Ultimate Universe for the X-Men, Juggernaut is a mutant. He just becomes more powerful because of the crystal.

That said, I enjoyed X3 but didn't like how they spun some things. Example: I was really hoping to see the Phoenix from the comic books like was alluded to at the end of X2 but all we got was Jean Grey as a super vampiress/zombie thing staring menacingly for the last half of the movie.

Colossus was little more than a good-guy version of a nameless thug, the Kitty/Iceman/Rogue sidestory was weak, Angel's sidestory started out great but was never developed as was Leech.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: jimbob200521
How was Wolverine created? Gov't project? For some reason I don't think he was a natural born mutant, but created by Striker. Can someone clear this up?

I thought he was the only born mutant?

Wolverine was born a mutant (born in 1800's) but the Project X err project is what made Logan Wolverine. it grafted the admantium to his bones . there are others that are part of Project X also.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: OrByte

I admit I spent alot of money on comics too, Xmen in particular! I wish they could keep making these movies until all the storylines have been done. Morlock Massacre, Mr. Sinister, Apocolypse, The Reavers and Australia, Sentinels...and my favorite, Genosha.

Alot of money I dropped into comics

[/quote]

I didn't buy any of the comics but I also wish they continued the stories! LOVED the animated cartoon series. The one pre the xmen kid things or whatever the hell that was!

Koing

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: waggy
Wolverine was born a mutant (born in 1800's) but the Project X err project is what made Logan Wolverine. it grafted the admantium to his bones . there are others that are part of Project X also.

Kelly Hu :heart:

 

[Zerhyn]

I just saw the movie. I never read any of the comic books, i had seen a few cartoons, but i don't remember anything. I really enjoyed the first two movies. But after this one it left me with a very empty feeling. I felt like I missed a lot of what was going on, they jumped around to much i think.

I don't know if this was their aim, I never planned to read the comics, but i just ordered all of these to try and make this icky feeling go away.

Essential Uncanny X-Men Vol. 1
Essential Classic X-Men Volume 2 (X-Men (Graphic Novels))
Essential X-Men Vol. 1
Essential X-Men Volume 2 TPB (Essential)
Essential X-Men Vol. 3

 

[thraashman]

Ok, I'll lend my geekery here. Wolverine was born sometime in the late 1800's in Canada. He was in his early teens when he discovered he was a mutant. His claws were the first thing he discovered. In some storylines they've said that the reason Wolverine's memory is mostly gone is because his healing factor heals over mental scars, thus preventing him from going insane if he ever does anything too bad (like the fact he accidentally killed the woman he loved in his early 20's). Wolverine is notably short, but the adamantium adds about 200lbs to his body weight. When Magneto ripped the adamantium from Wolverine's body, the healing factor overworked itself to save his life and was gone for a while. When it finally came back it was supercharged because it was no longer fighting the constant metal poisoning in his body. Also at this time Wolverine became more dangerous because being on the most proficient martial artists who is now 200 lbs lighter and heals faster than ever made him near unstopable. And yes eventually Wolverine got back the Adamantium back.

And as far as Juggernaut, in the Marvel 616 universe (616 is the number designation for the standard universe in Marvel) Juggernaut is not a mutant. Cain Marko was Professor Xavier's step brother, and he managed to find the Gem of Cytorrak. The gem gave him the powers of the Juggernaut. His technical power is that he is unstoppable. Technically the gem made Juggernaut the avatar of the god Cytorrak. So no he's not a mutant, his powers are magical.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ricochet
Also in the movies Magneto can jack up Wolverine anytime he wishes because of his Adamantium skeletin. Not so in the comics I've read (but I haven't read any of the old ones). I don't remember Adamantium being a ferrous metal that Magneto can manipulate. Can somebody confirm this?

eh? wrong!

in fact megnato pulls out the admantium OUT of wolverine.

Which almost elminated his mutant ability to heal fast. Prior to when Magneto ripped out the adamantium Wolverine's healing ability was as quick as portrayed in the movies..

wait...we are talking about a COMIC book here.. Hugh Jackman is the perfect Wolverine. Now I don't think anyone can pull it off but him.

What? That's not right at all.

After he healed from having the adamantium pulled out, his healing ability was actually INCREASED, since his body wasn't always fighting the adamantium metal on his bones. It was just that he was weaker and couldn't take as big of a hit... ie get hit by a car.

Makes sense...broken bones are pretty much the most serious injury you can get, outside of organ damage...and with an indestructable skeleton that kind of stuff never occured.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BDawg
Nobody else bothered by Wolverine being 6' tall and taller than Beast?

well that did bother me at the start. considering wolverine was 5'2" (or around there) and like 300lbs (with admintium). but i have ot admit be hard to find someone like that.

Glenn Danzig? They actually picked him first, he's 5'5" and muscular.

Actually, Dougray Scott was originally cast to be Wolverine. Schedule conflicts with MI:2 forced a recast to Hugh Jackman.

Danzig was never officially cast as Wolverine but he was a fanboy favorite.

u mean this guy?

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
u mean this guy?

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[DaShen]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
Ok... I never remember wolverine of the xmen (comics) to be nearly indestructable as his hollywood counterpart. The guy they portray is nearly invincible. With an 'unbreakable' skeleton and near instantaneous regenerative abilities, he is simply way to powerful. I remember when he got injured, it would take him quite some time to recover in the comics, but in X3, he heals instantly, just like superman.




Edit: Also, when he stabs someone and gets their blood on his claws, then retracts him, doesn't he face the possibility of getting AIDS? Or does his 'healing' abilities prevent him from getting any STD's?

Yeah, in the movie he heals too fast. But it makes for a more cool mutant power.

And yes, his immune system can take care of any disease, I am guessing. But since HIV is specifically gaged to attack T Cells, who knows? Maybe his physiology and immune system are so totally different that the virus couldn't effect him or other mutants. Maybe his immune system is so drastically different that HIV wouldn't stand a chance. There are people out there in the world that are immune to HIV.

 

[torpid]

Yeah technically juggernaut is not a traditional mutant where the x-factor activates and blah blah. But we don't know how the gem works really, maybe it is like a retrovirus that activates mutant gene stuff. That was my point. Jean Grey was somewhat ambiguous as a mutant too at times. Sometimes it was just that her "ability" was to channel the phoenix force, but other times they wrote it as if the phoenix force was using her as a vessel. How does that make her a mutant?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: torpid
Yeah technically juggernaut is not a traditional mutant where the x-factor activates and blah blah. But we don't know how the gem works really, maybe it is like a retrovirus that activates mutant gene stuff. That was my point. Jean Grey was somewhat ambiguous as a mutant too at times. Sometimes it was just that her "ability" was to channel the phoenix force, but other times they wrote it as if the phoenix force was using her as a vessel. How does that make her a mutant?

Wiki

 

[Night Blade]

I always thought Jack Nicholson would make a killer Wolverine, but that was years ago, he's too old for the role now :|.

 

[Eddieo]

Edit: Also, when he stabs someone and gets their blood on his claws, then retracts him, doesn't he face the possibility of getting AIDS? Or does his 'healing' abilities prevent him from getting any STD's?


His body would instantly build immunity to it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: torpid
Yeah technically juggernaut is not a traditional mutant where the x-factor activates and blah blah. But we don't know how the gem works really, maybe it is like a retrovirus that activates mutant gene stuff. That was my point. Jean Grey was somewhat ambiguous as a mutant too at times. Sometimes it was just that her "ability" was to channel the phoenix force, but other times they wrote it as if the phoenix force was using her as a vessel. How does that make her a mutant?

Wiki

That does not make the issue any more clear. It says basically the same thing I did. She's a "mutant" but might be a "mutant" because of the phoenix force, or she might be the phoenix force because she's a mutant.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

in the 1st xmen he did take a while to recover after rogue touched him, but yeah...hes gotten quicker with every movie. xmen2 .... bout 30 seconds to reover from a head shot

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BDawg
Nobody else bothered by Wolverine being 6' tall and taller than Beast?

well that did bother me at the start. considering wolverine was 5'2" (or around there) and like 300lbs (with admintium). but i have ot admit be hard to find someone like that.

Glenn Danzig? They actually picked him first, he's 5'5" and muscular.

yeah i remember when they were talking about that. he would have fit the size. bu ti have to say Jackman while taller does make a great wolverine.

its coz hes an aussie

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Night Blade
I always thought Jack Nicholson would make a killer Wolverine, but that was years ago, he's too old for the role now :|.

I thought the same thing with Angela Bassett as Storm.