woman blinded by acid now gets to blind attacker with acid

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43029928/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

An Iranian man found guilty of using acid to blind a woman who refused to marry him now will have the same done to him as punishment — and she'll be the one who carries out the sentence, her lawyer says.

The lawyer said that at noon Saturday, Ameneh Bahrami would drop acid in both eyes of Majid Movahedi, 30, after he is rendered unconscious at a judiciary hospital in Tehran, The Guardian newspaper reported, citing Iranian media.

Bahrami was disfigured and blinded in 2004 when Movahedi threw acid in her face as she returned home from work, the Guardian reported. After Movahedi admitted to the attack, Bahrami asked a court to order an eye-for-an-eye retribution, under the Islamic law system of "qisas."

The court did so in November 2008, calling for five drops of sulfuric acid to be placed in each of his eyes.

Iranian officials have endorsed the sentence, hoping to stop an increase in acid attacks, the Guardian said.

The Washington Post reported that human rights groups and the British government had asked Bahrami to pardon Movahedi but that she had refused.

“I have been receiving numerous phone calls from Iranian human rights organizations based abroad,” Bahrami told the Post in a phone interview Friday. “They are pressuring me to pardon him. But I won’t do that.”

Iran's government helped Bahrami, who has an electronics degree and worked in a medical engineering company before the attack, moved to Spain, where she underwent a series of unsuccessful operations.

She briefly recovered half vision in her right eye in 2007 but an infection blinded her again, the Guardian said.

Bahrami, now in her 30s, wrote a book about her ordeal, “Eye for an Eye,” which was published in Germany.
 

HAL9000

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I approve of this action. This is the only time I will say this: Well done Iran.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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I'd also approve of it if she'd pour it down his throat, as long as he has to suffer the consequences for the rest of his life too, just as she has to suffer for what he did for all her life.
 

Howard

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I would have hoped that she could find forgiveness for him, but I support her decision for revenge.
 

Perknose

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.
 

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I'm glad for her. I think all victims should have the choice to do something like this, specifically when the crime is something like this.
 

Kadarin

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.

And that revenge... Sweet does it taste.

(oh, and since she's already blind, what the fuck does she care that her attacker is also blind?)
 
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.

I agree with Perknose.
I have seen her disfigurement. I can feel her pain. But i am against her revenge. For she will not benefit from this. Revenge begets revenge begets revenge begets revenge...

No, from me he would receive another sentence. He and his family will work for her recovery under guidance. Until her face and her eyesight is restored to a level before the attack. He will be limited in freedom and his family shall be free to work. But all of them will do the work to pay for her medical treatment and any administration until she is recovered to her former self. This will be so until the day that she is at the end of her life or until she is recovered. Then she and he are truly released from the burden he caused upon her and upon him self.
If he refuses to do so, he will be locked up and one in his family must take his place. This is a much stronger message to society. The idea is not to cause hurt. The idea is to heal and to correct your mistakes.

Typical wrong behavior of the Iranian court.
She must forgive him and he must be remembered every day what he caused her and wish with his heart that he could heal her. Only then will they both be happy once again when they set each other free, the proper way... ^_^
 

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I agree with Perknose.
I have seen her disfigurement. I can feel her pain. But i am against her revenge. For she will not benefit from this. Revenge begets revenge begets revenge begets revenge...

No, from me he would receive another sentence. He and his family will work for her recovery under guidance. Until her face and her eyesight is restored to a level before the attack. He will be limited in freedom and his family shall be free to work. But all of them will do the work to pay for her medical treatment and any administration until she is recovered to her former self. This will be so until the day that she is at the end of her life or until she is recovered. Then she and he are truly released from the burden he caused upon her and upon him self.
If he refuses to do so, he will be locked up and one in his family must take his place. This is a much stronger message to society. The idea is not to cause hurt. The idea is to heal and to correct your mistakes.

Typical wrong behavior of the Iranian court.
She must forgive him and he must be remembered every day what he caused her and wish with his heart that he could heal her. Only then will they both be happy once again when they set each other free, the proper way... ^_^

I see your general idea, but I wholeheartedly disagree with making his family pay for his crime.
 

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they should make him work and check in to the police regularly, so that the woman can at least get a regular income.
Revenge doesn't bring justice.

If it serves the purpose of deterring other men from doing teh same though, it might not be totally worthless.
 
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I see your general idea, but I wholeheartedly disagree with making his family pay for his crime.

Well, the idea is that society must take care of each other. If i can hold you responsible for the actions of your brother or sister, you will make sure that he or she does not make mistakes. You will make sure that you ask for help when he or she will go wrong. If he or she has fundamental or idiotic cultural idea's about hurting other people, you will make sure you will try to prevent him or her. Even with the help of your neighbors, other family members and so on. What he did was wrong. And what he did, he did not just invented himself. There must have been signals. This is not the first case of acid attacks in Islamic countries. That is why i selected the sentence as i did. You have to understand that there are people within his close proximity who agree with him. If they agree, they must share his fate. But his fate must not be to be punished for ever in "hell". His fate must be able to accept that his views where wrong and that he must undo what he has done. Or karma will happen and the cycle of violence will continue. I chose my sentence because there is a strong social control, and that is good when used properly.

A ruling in a court is on a case to case basis when properly done.
This sentence may not work for another person with another crime and thus must not happen for that case. I agree i do not know all details. But if i understand the way of life a bit there, the family knew the girl as well. And if they know the girl, they must have known what that guy was up to. If they did not, then their fate is a warning for other families.
 
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Skyclad1uhm1

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She must forgive him and he must be remembered every day what he caused her and wish with his heart that he could heal her. Only then will they both be happy once again when they set each other free, the proper way... ^_^

Why would you demand that she forgives the one ruining her life? He deserves punishment (and just to be remembered of what he thought was a good idea to do in the first place isn't punishment), she deserves closure in one way or another. But she doesn't deserve to be told that she has to forgive him.

This way he will indeed feel her pain and 'see' that what he did was wrong.

Would you say that Bin Laden's victims should have forgiven him and that he should have gotten away with what he did, just to be reminded every day of what he thought was a good deed? Bin Laden 'celebrated' the deaths of those he killed, just like this guy was happy enough to do what he did, and what the effects were.
 

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I am all for blinding him in the same manner that she was blinded....so why are they putting him under before the drops are administered. She wasn't.

Also, I am also for making him support her financially forever.
 
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Why would you demand that she forgives the one ruining her life? He deserves punishment (and just to be remembered of what he thought was a good idea to do in the first place isn't punishment), she deserves closure in one way or another. But she doesn't deserve to be told that she has to forgive him.

This way he will indeed feel her pain and 'see' that what he did was wrong.

Would you say that Bin Laden's victims should have forgiven him and that he should have gotten away with what he did, just to be reminded every day of what he thought was a good deed? Bin Laden 'celebrated' the deaths of those he killed, just like this guy was happy enough to do what he did, and what the effects were.

I do not demand it. I never would. But placed myself in her position with her experiences. Ask yourself this : What would be better for her. To go on with her life or to constantly be reminded of her forced upon fate(in his eyes a curse) and get frustrated about it and very possibly distract her from the tasks she still is able to do or,and enjoy ? Giving her less of a life she already has. Redemption is not always that easy. With the proper sentence she may one day have a normal life and from the technology created other victims will benefit as well. But also people from accidents at work or fires. Also the sentence is a stimulation for other people to help if they wish to. A shared burden is a lighter burden...

For Bin Laden, i would have given a different sentence if i would know all the details. Because what happened at 2001 September 11 is of a different matter. Bin Laden is not the only guilty one. You will find more perpetrators on US soil who where aware of the coming attack. As you will find more perpetrators on Saudi Arabia soil. Of course punishment is on order. But i would have given him a different kind of punishment. For he enforced his personal views upon others by abusing the old ways. He would have carried a punishment according to the old way. Far more severe then what he would have received now. And his fellow perpetrators will pay for the reconstruction and the separation they have caused among people.

But i can ask you this : What do you think is better for the relatives of the victims of that dreaded day. To feel anger when they think of their lost ones ? While in the process loosing sanity and the ability to reason ? Or to feel love for their lost loved ones empowering them to make sure this will not happen again.

Hope is the key.
 
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I do not know if this is from Aristotle.

"
When friendship happens :
Two souls to become united.
Is to have one stronger soul shared within two bodies.
Is to conquer quests a single body or soul cannot do
"
 

xSauronx

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.

I do not disagree...but I also do not have a problem with this.
/humans suck, dont see that changing anytime soon, unfortunately
 
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