woman blinded by acid now gets to blind attacker with acid

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dawp

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Chances are this will not ease her pain. In the end she'll feel hollow and may not get satisfaction after it's all said and done and could regret this decision.
 

zebrax2

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Chances are this will not ease her pain. In the end she'll feel hollow and may not get satisfaction after it's all said and done and could regret this decision.

^This. It will be as if she was no better than him.
 

PokerGuy

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Occasionally those nutcases in Iran get one right. What happened to her is tragic and nothing can be done to undo it, inflicting the same on him is fair.
 

PokerGuy

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It will be as if she was no better than him.

Nonsense. Attacking an innocent person and maiming them is absolutely not the same as executing lawful punishment on someone who committed a heinous crime. Equating the two is stupid.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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But i can ask you this : What do you think is better for the relatives of the victims of that dreaded day. To feel anger when they think of their lost ones ? While in the process loosing sanity and the ability to reason ? Or to feel love for their lost loved ones empowering them to make sure this will not happen again.

Hope is the key.

Do you seriously believe that the family of the victim or the victim can never be happy unless they forgive the criminal, and that forgiving him will prevent such things from happening ever again? So if everyone forgives child rapists they will never do it again, rather than abusing their freedom and doing it over and over again until someone is smart enough to put a bullet between their eyes?
 

KK

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.

That Gandhi guy was an idiot.

Whats the other gandhi quote, "There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for." Sound like some retard on atot. hmm, who could that be?
 
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AyashiKaibutsu

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Eye for an eye hearkens to days before the rule of law. Lock the guy away or kill him to remove him from society. We (humanity) don't need to operate at the level of such scum. That said I'm not going to go out of my way to stop them from doing it.
 

TanisHalfElven

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I agree with Perknose.
I have seen her disfigurement. I can feel her pain. But i am against her revenge. For she will not benefit from this. Revenge begets revenge begets revenge begets revenge...

No, from me he would receive another sentence. He and his family will work for her recovery under guidance. Until her face and her eyesight is restored to a level before the attack. He will be limited in freedom and his family shall be free to work. But all of them will do the work to pay for her medical treatment and any administration until she is recovered to her former self. This will be so until the day that she is at the end of her life or until she is recovered. Then she and he are truly released from the burden he caused upon her and upon him self.
If he refuses to do so, he will be locked up and one in his family must take his place. This is a much stronger message to society. The idea is not to cause hurt. The idea is to heal and to correct your mistakes.

Typical wrong behavior of the Iranian court.
She must forgive him and he must be remembered every day what he caused her and wish with his heart that he could heal her. Only then will they both be happy once again when they set each other free, the proper way... ^_^

thats a nice fantasy. It wouldn't happen in real life. Sometimes revenge is the only justice.
 

alkemyst

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I approve of this action. This is the only time I will say this: Well done Iran.

Wow...you aren't ok with someone using a gun to protect themselves, but you are ok with vindictive justice dealt after the fact and all parties are safe.

fucking nutter.
 
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Do you seriously believe that the family of the victim or the victim can never be happy unless they forgive the criminal, and that forgiving him will prevent such things from happening ever again? So if everyone forgives child rapists they will never do it again, rather than abusing their freedom and doing it over and over again until someone is smart enough to put a bullet between their eyes?

If you would have read the text properly, you would have understood that i would give the man to undo what he has done and help other victims as well. It does not mean he does not get punished. And if he refuses, then he would die by starvation in a cell and a family member will take his place to undo what has been done. However, the family member will not die on refusal but will publicly announce that he refuses to help the victim out of his reasons.
This sentence is for this case only as i have written in my post.

IMHO :Child rapists, forfeit all rights on freedom and will be subjects of investigation about why someone turns into a molester. For that a cure or at least a detection method can be found to rid the world of this evil.

I may sound evil because i wish to use perpetrators of serious crimes to be subjects of research why they do this. The fact is that nobody is born evil or good. Some people may just have a genetic disease which causes them to do harm. To understand is to be one day able to prevent, to heal.
And you might be surprised that some long life prisoners do not want to be turned free because they fear they will go wrong. They would accept a cure if it would exist. But they have come to the understanding and the acceptance that they do not wish to cause harm upon others. Thus they do not want to be turned free, some would even rather die.

This may seem as a radical insight but it is not.
In some countries this is sort of already happening. Just not at the scale i wish it to be.

Killing a perpetrator is always an option. But it should always be the last option to resort to. A man or womans obligation is to create, not to destroy.

You know this phrase ?
"
I keep my friends close.
But i keep my enemies closer.
"

In essence it is a variety on a simple strategy : Know your enemy.

Addendum :
But who or what is your enemy ?
In the old days it was a fallen angel.
Since science and modern medicine (the possibility that tiny creatures exist that cannot be seen by the naked eye actually was thought of during the Islamic golden age before fundamental religious freaks and oversexed Caliphs took over.)
 
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thats a nice fantasy. It wouldn't happen in real life. Sometimes revenge is the only justice.

True. But revenge is justice these days because a lot of people find it cheaper.
And in their eyes, cheaper means more efficient. It is the same standard short term thinking that will destroy once in a while a whole lot of lives.
So those who selected this kind of justice can enjoy more of their plastic tits and other fake pleasures. But it always will return.
 

PlasmaBomb

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Revenge isn't justice, it's just revenge.

Justice involves the punishment of breaches of ethics, morality and/or law.

The accused has been found guilty of breaches of ethics and morality and law due to the nature of his crime, and a sentence has been passed.

You could argue that the punishment is too harsh, but it sounds like the Judicial process worked...
 

nublikescake

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True. But revenge is justice these days because a lot of people find it cheaper.
And in their eyes, cheaper means more efficient. It is the same standard short term thinking that will destroy once in a while a whole lot of lives.
So those who selected this kind of justice can enjoy more of their plastic tits and other fake pleasures. But it always will return.



WTH...is this guy the new neckbeard?
 
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rasczak

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the big question is, Why does he get be unconscious? The fucktard deserves every bit of pain she had to go through.
 

rasczak

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Chances are this will not ease her pain. In the end she'll feel hollow and may not get satisfaction after it's all said and done and could regret this decision.

Or she'll feel justice has been served and the fucker is as blind as she is. Too bad he won't be feeling the same pain she felt when he tossed the acid on her.
 
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the big question is, Why does he get be unconscious? The fucktard deserves every bit of pain she had to go through.

That is something i ask myself as well.
They want to punish him by taking his eyes only. Yet his face stays proper and he is unconscious. It is nonsense. Make him contribute to a good cause, i say. It is much better in the long run. If he needs to be punished like that, harvest the cornea for people who need them at least. Some people are so incredibly simple minded. I find it disturbing.
 
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chusteczka

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William Gaatjes has gone through much effort to write his opinion and I agree with him. His proposal of repayment is much better than revenge since it provides both parties an opportunity to heal with time and effort on the part of the attacker.

She does not need to forgive him, in fact it would be better if she did not. At least in the beginning. Blind forgiveness solves nothing. But this was a minor point that was made amongst better reasoning.


Occasionally those nutcases in Iran get one right. What happened to her is tragic and nothing can be done to undo it, inflicting the same on him is fair.
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Nonsense. Attacking an innocent person and maiming them is absolutely not the same as executing lawful punishment on someone who committed a heinous crime. Equating the two is stupid.

Unfortunately, you seem to be missing some deeper issues. Set aside the primitive instinct for revenge for a moment and you may hopefully see it better the attacker spend the rest of his life in repayment. Creating a similar fate results in two maimed individuals in pain. Putting the attacker in a position of repayment will create financial and physical hardship for a good that may eventually result in the attacker realizing genuine guilt and repentance.

America has a system of payment setup in the name of "Alimony" for dissolved marriages. A similar system could be setup for such harmful and criminal actions that directly hurt someone.

Additionally, carrying out this revenge will leave an additional emptiness in the heart and mind of the victim that will only add to the pain already present with no opportunity for later healing.
 

Capt Caveman

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I would have hoped that she could find forgiveness for him, but I support her decision for revenge.

Forgive for having put thru hell(and probably still going thru it) and ruining one's life forever? There were points where she probably wish she had been killed instantly instead.

I hope the court changes it's mind I hope this is performed while the man is awake and the screams of his agony give her some solace.
 
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santz

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Whether or not anyone agrees with this punishment, This will surely prevent others from doing the same- CRIME deterrent
 
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