woman blinded by acid now gets to blind attacker with acid

[sixone]

I could never put acid into anyone's eyes.

But if someone did to me what that guy did to her, I sure the hell would spend three years letting him worry about it. And as soon as he was unconscious, I'd be asking the doctor to swap the acid for something that would make him temporarily blind and make his eyes hurt for a few days after he woke up. I have no scruples whatsoever about scaring the pee wadding out of him.

 

[davmat787]

I could never put acid into anyone's eyes.

But if someone did to me what that guy did to her, I sure the hell would spend three years letting him worry about it. And as soon as he was unconscious, I'd be asking the doctor to swap the acid for something that would make him temporarily blind and make his eyes hurt for a few days after he woke up. I have no scruples whatsoever about scaring the pee wadding out of him.

I like this! And after he would still be able to financially support her.

 

[JimW1949]

The woman is blind and disfigured for the rest of her life, unless some medical miracle comes along and can restore her eyesight, which is pretty doubtful given what happened. She will no doubt need round the clock help in order to survive. If she goes anywhere she will need help, if she does anything she will no doubt need help. I know that blind people can be fairly proficient in their own home, but it takes quite awhile to get proficient at knowing exactly where everything is and how to navigate without sight. Keep in mind she wasn't blind from birth and therefore is used to it. She is a grown woman who is used to be being able to do things and now she is enclosed in a veil of darkness for the rest of her life.

I highly doubt the jerk that did this to her would be able to earn enough money to support her, unless he has one hell of an income. Since she will need someone to be with her practically all the time, if that person is paid for their services, that means 24 hours per day 7 days per week someone is collecting a paycheck. If you think about it, that's 168 hours per week. Now I don't know how much money people earn in Iran, but whatever the wages are, the jerk would have to earn enough money to pay for round the clock care for the woman, as well as be able to support himself. I just don't think that would happen. That's why I think having the jerk work and pay her support is a little ridiculous because it is highly doubtful he could earn enough to support her.

Now I suppose you could say that at least he could pay for part of her support, and that would be better than nothing. I guess that's true, and by the same token I could pay something toward the National Debt, but do you think it would really make a difference?

Pouring acid into the jerk's eyes will not bring back the eyesight of the woman. At present, nothing can do that. Perhaps in the future medical science may have a way to do it. I don't think that will happen, but it is about the only hope she has. From what it sounds like, Iranian law allows the "eye for an eye" concept to be used if the victim wishes for it to be done. Apparently she does. I am not overly thrilled with the idea because all it will do is make another person blind and someone will have to take care of him. That seems rather counter productive. But if that is the law in Iran, then I guess that is the law.

 

[davmat787]

The woman is blind and disfigured for the rest of her life, unless some medical miracle comes along and can restore her eyesight, which is pretty doubtful given what happened. She will no doubt need round the clock help in order to survive. If she goes anywhere she will need help, if she does anything she will no doubt need help. I know that blind people can be fairly proficient in their own home, but it takes quite awhile to get proficient at knowing exactly where everything is and how to navigate without sight. Keep in mind she wasn't blind from birth and therefore is used to it. She is a grown woman who is used to be being able to do things and now she is enclosed in a veil of darkness for the rest of her life.

I highly doubt the jerk that did this to her would be able to earn enough money to support her, unless he has one hell of an income. Since she will need someone to be with her practically all the time, if that person is paid for their services, that means 24 hours per day 7 days per week someone is collecting a paycheck. If you think about it, that's 168 hours per week. Now I don't know how much money people earn in Iran, but whatever the wages are, the jerk would have to earn enough money to pay for round the clock care for the woman, as well as be able to support himself. I just don't think that would happen. That's why I think having the jerk work and pay her support is a little ridiculous because it is highly doubtful he could earn enough to support her.

Now I suppose you could say that at least he could pay for part of her support, and that would be better than nothing. I guess that's true, and by the same token I could pay something toward the National Debt, but do you think it would really make a difference?

Pouring acid into the jerk's eyes will not bring back the eyesight of the woman. At present, nothing can do that. Perhaps in the future medical science may have a way to do it. I don't think that will happen, but it is about the only hope she has. From what it sounds like, Iranian law allows the "eye for an eye" concept to be used if the victim wishes for it to be done. Apparently she does. I am not overly thrilled with the idea because all it will do is make another person blind and someone will have to take care of him. That seems rather counter productive. But if that is the law in Iran, then I guess that is the law.

So what your saying is they should do nothing?

 

[JimW1949]

So what your saying is they should do nothing?

I never said they shouldn't punish the bastard. For all I care they can take the no-good SOB out and shoot him. I just don't see how blinding the guy is going to benefit anybody, and making him pay support is really pointless unless he makes an awful lot of money.

 

[Sea Moose]

Listen very carefully, for i shall say this only once.

I respect the iranian justice system at this point

 

[William Gaatjes]

And do you honestly not see how you're simply taking "knowledge" and applying the same age old principle of "survival of the fittest" with that rather than strength?

You pretend that you're not a lion establishing the order, when really, that's all you're doing. You just change the playing field is all, well that and thinly veil attacks and insults at people all the while pretending to scorn the truths of life.

I don't know why I'm feeding this troll...

I do not even know why i respond to people like you. You are one of those limited in cognitive skills who never knew real poverty as well. I will admit i do not know poverty either. I always had a roof above my head, a safe place to sleep, food and time for education. However, i try to be empathic because for me it was a weakness.

First of all, i am not surviving when i make this claim. You do not understand what survival means. Surviving is living for the moment. That is something you do not understand.

For example both of us live in nature and we struggle for our next meal while also on the lookout for predators.
When i need to survive, and you come close to me, you are dead if i do not find any use for you. And i can assure you that with your state of mind, i will not even think twice of letting you live. Surviving is thinking of myself first and then about others. Thinking of my offspring first and then to think about your offspring. That is survival in nature. It is cruel and cold. It is egoistic because i do not have any choice. It is you or me and then i will choose myself. As will everybody else.

What you mumble about survival of the fittest is only part of the picture.
And i cannot mention enough that it is survival of the fittest at the moment.

However, i am not surviving in nature. I am living in a world thinking about a future not only for myself but also where i wish the best for others.
I hope that one day you will understand what so many humans on this planet are seeing, understanding and feeling. There is no need for survival now if we wish it to be. If we make the proper choices.

Religion is a tool. It was used to educate people but power hungry idiots used it for their own benefits. Without religion humans would never have come as far as we are now. Now since everybody can get an education, religion has moved to the background. The social structure of people caring for each other was another function of religion. But this function as well was abused by power hungry people. But luckily being social is something that is still a strong part of civilized humanity. Being social, being altruistic, being able to look into the future and laying out a path not only for yourself but for others you never will know is part of being a civilized enlightened human being.
And that is something people like you do not understand.

You are only able to look at a given situation from your own point of view, never choosing to go beyond that. If you can never get beyond that point, i truly feel sorry for you.

 

[sixone]

Pouring acid into the jerk's eyes will not bring back the eyesight of the woman. At present, nothing can do that. Perhaps in the future medical science may have a way to do it. I don't think that will happen, but it is about the only hope she has. From what it sounds like, Iranian law allows the "eye for an eye" concept to be used if the victim wishes for it to be done. Apparently she does. I am not overly thrilled with the idea because all it will do is make another person blind and someone will have to take care of him. That seems rather counter productive. But if that is the law in Iran, then I guess that is the law.

I have to wonder whether you read the article, where it said that the kinds of attacks that this bozo is guilty of are becoming more and more common in Iran. I wish there were a better deterrent for jerks who might be contemplating such action, but I don't see one. Do you?

 

[HeXen]

I I just don't see how blinding the guy is going to benefit anybody, and making him pay support is really pointless unless he makes an awful lot of money.

i just don't see how him blinding her to begin with benefited anybody either:\
but that's what happened just like her blinding him should be allowed to happen the same.
life's a bitch, get used to it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I have to wonder whether you read the article, where it said that the kinds of attacks that this bozo is guilty of are becoming more and more common in Iran. I wish there were a better deterrent for jerks who might be contemplating such action, but I don't see one. Do you?

I wish deterrents worked against crimes of passion then you might have a point. The vast majority of people who commit crimes either don't even consider the consequences or assume they won't get caught.

 

[JimW1949]

I have to wonder whether you read the article, where it said that the kinds of attacks that this bozo is guilty of are becoming more and more common in Iran. I wish there were a better deterrent for jerks who might be contemplating such action, but I don't see one. Do you?

I read the article twice and yes, the part about this type of behavior becoming more common is sickening. Maybe you are right, it may serve as a deterrent. But there have been periods when we had the death penalty in this country and it didn't seem to act as a deterrent, although some people seem to think it did.

I don't really have a definitive answer to your question. I sat down and wrote something about this, I am not certain what I wrote applies directly to your question, but maybe in a round about way it does.

In every society you have those individuals who refuse to conform to the standards of the rest of society. Depending upon what these "non-conformists" do, their actions may or may not be allowed to happen. If "non-conformists" are holding a peaceful demonstration, that is one thing. If they bring guns to the demonstration and start shooting people, that is another thing altogether and that type of behavior cannot be allowed to continue.

Suffice it to say that sometimes the actions of the "non-conformists" are so heinous the perpetrators of the deed need to be put someplace where they cannot harm anybody else. Prison is an option, in certain cases the death penalty is an option, and there are no doubt a myriad of other options available to prevent "non-conformists" from continuing to harm others. I suspect in the eyes (no pun intended) of the Iranian Court, blinding the SOB is one way of preventing him from repeating this type of behavior again. Who knows, it may even serve as a deterrent to others.

Personally, I don't agree with the Judge's decision to impose this particular punishment. If the judge had decided to execute the SOB, I would agree with the decision. In my opinion any person who would do something like this doesn't deserve to live. But I am not the Iranian Judge and therefore I don't get to make that decision. In any case, my opinions on the issue are completely irrelevant to the Iranian Judge.

I guess in the final analysis what it all boils down to is, if the judge followed all the rules and protocols of Iranian Law when he handed down the sentence, then whatever we may think about his decision really doesn't make any difference.

 

[sixone]

I wish deterrents worked against crimes of passion then you might have a point. The vast majority of people who commit crimes either don't even consider the consequences or assume they won't get caught.

First of all, this wasn't a "crime of passion". The guy had to make a plan, get the acid, and lie in wait. This was a crime of premeditation.

Second, the people who DO consider consequences or DO assume they'll get caught are, by definition, not included in the pool of people who commit crimes. Those are the people that deterrents work for.

 

[JimW1949]

i just don't see how him blinding her to begin with benefited anybody either:\
but that's what happened just like her blinding him should be allowed to happen the same.
life's a bitch, get used to it.

Obviously, what the guy did benefited no one except it may have fulfilled some sick and depraved notion he had. If he was to be executed I wouldn't have a problem with that. As far as I am concerned, he doesn't deserve to live.

 

[William Gaatjes]

First of all, this wasn't a "crime of passion". The guy had to make a plan, get the acid, and lie in wait. This was a crime of premeditation.

Second, the people who DO consider consequences or DO assume they'll get caught are, by definition, not included in the pool of people who commit crimes. Those are the people that deterrents work for.

Of course it is obvious that people who do this are not the most sane persons. And there lies the danger. Yes these people premeditate the crime.
But do so from "crime passionnel". Maybe the anger or fear of rejection takes away whatever reason they had left. For example :

This is about Katy Piper. A young girl in Britain whose deranged and insane ex-lover Daniel Lynch treated her to an acid bath. This guy was known for being unusually violent before she met him but she found out to late. However, his partner in crime is just as insane to do what he was asked to do : Stefan Sylvestre.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...s-face-disfigured-boyfriend-Daniel-Lynch.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Piper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Piper#Assault_and_acid_attack

 

[sixone]

I read the article twice and yes, the part about this type of behavior becoming more common is sickening. Maybe you are right, it may serve as a deterrent. But there have been periods when we had the death penalty in this country and it didn't seem to act as a deterrent, although some people seem to think it did.

The difference is in context. We're talking about Iran. They see corporal and capital punishment quite differently than we do, with our entitlement mentality.

I don't really have a definitive answer to your question. I sat down and wrote something about this, I am not certain what I wrote applies directly to your question, but maybe in a round about way it does.

In every society you have those individuals who refuse to conform to the standards of the rest of society. Depending upon what these "non-conformists" do, their actions may or may not be allowed to happen. If "non-conformists" are holding a peaceful demonstration, that is one thing. If they bring guns to the demonstration and start shooting people, that is another thing altogether and that type of behavior cannot be allowed to continue.

Suffice it to say that sometimes the actions of the "non-conformists" are so heinous the perpetrators of the deed need to be put someplace where they cannot harm anybody else. Prison is an option, in certain cases the death penalty is an option, and there are no doubt a myriad of other options available to prevent "non-conformists" from continuing to harm others. I suspect in the eyes (no pun intended) of the Iranian Court, blinding the SOB is one way of preventing him from repeating this type of behavior again. Who knows, it may even serve as a deterrent to others.

Again, context. Seems like men would be much more frightened of being made dependent on others than of death itself.

I'm all for removing dangerous criminals from society, by whatever means necessary. I'd rather see some more creative solutions than death alone, myself.

Personally, I don't agree with the Judge's decision to impose this particular punishment. If the judge had decided to execute the SOB, I would agree with the decision. In my opinion any person who would do something like this doesn't deserve to live. But I am not the Iranian Judge and therefore I don't get to make that decision. In any case, my opinions on the issue are completely irrelevant to the Iranian Judge.

I guess in the final analysis what it all boils down to is, if the judge followed all the rules and protocols of Iranian Law when he handed down the sentence, then whatever we may think about his decision really doesn't make any difference.

But it does make a difference. Sharia law is making inroads into western societies in Europe, and we're going to have to deal with it here in the US, sooner or later. The more info we have, the better.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

First of all, this wasn't a "crime of passion". The guy had to make a plan, get the acid, and lie in wait. This was a crime of premeditation.

Second, the people who DO consider consequences or DO assume they'll get caught are, by definition, not included in the pool of people who commit crimes. Those are the people that deterrents work for.

Yea, I'm sure as the guy was getting acid to maim her he was fully rational. You think whether this guy would have gotten 10 years, 20 years, life, or death or maiming would have affected his decision to do what he did?

 

[sixone]

Yea, I'm sure as the guy was getting acid to maim her he was fully rational. You think whether this guy would have gotten 10 years, 20 years, life, or death or maiming would have affected his decision to do what he did?

Of course he was "fully rational". He was doing what his society told him was acceptable.

I don't believe that death or imprisonment would have deterred him. Until his society makes that action unacceptable, this kind of crap will continue.

But given the society he lives in, perhaps the threat of being rendered less of man, of being rendered dependent on others, will be more likely to succeed. God knows traditional western punishments have clearly failed.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Of course he was "fully rational". He was doing what his society told him was acceptable.

I don't believe that death or imprisonment would have deterred him. Until his society makes that action unacceptable, this kind of crap will continue.

But given the society he lives in, perhaps the threat of being rendered less of man, of being rendered dependent on others, will be more likely to succeed. God knows traditional western punishments have clearly failed.

You have much to learn about people, their emotions, and what motivates/demotivates them.

 

[sixone]

You have much to learn about people, their emotions, and what motivates/demotivates them.

I have much to learn about lots of things. Thank you for providing a specific, rational explanation as to why you think so. :\