Woman braindead after being hit by ciclist riding in car lane

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fleshconsumed

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All I can do is just laugh over SA ridiculous assumptions about bikes in the car lanes thinking this happened only because the biker was in the car lane and that this wouldn't have happened if he was in te bike lane. Let's be honest here, this is just another SA confirmation bias about bikes on the road. And I have to laugh at his unending hatred of the world, as I'm sure his hatred of all things extends well beyond bikes. I just can't imagine anyone living like that their whole lives...
 

Darwin333

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It's not clear who had the light. Those crosswalks in Central Park have lights to control vehicle and bike traffic versus pedestrians crossing.

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There is a NYP article that says he was riding a 'brakeless triathlon bike'. If he truly had no brakes, what a moron - even if he did have the right of way. All bicycles operated on a public roadway should have brakes, a bell, and lights (the latter for after dark).

At the same time, if the NYPD are going to be consistent in this case compared to their vehicle vs. pedestrian cases, this guy might just walk away with only a ticket. Rarely are charges brought up against drivers for killing pedestrians.

Wait, why would any bike not have brakes? I don't care what the hell its used for, being able to slow and stop are pretty damn important features for a vehicle. If it didn't have brakes, that should be just as negligent as if I drove a vehicle I knowingly knew didn't have brakes and killed someone.
 

Darwin333

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Why hold bicyclists to a higher standard when drivers routinely ignore the rules?

Eg: http://gothamist.com/2014/09/12/doored_cyclist_video.php
Guy on a bicycle, riding in the bike lane, has the green light, but then a cab stops illegally adjacent to it to discharge a passenger and gets doored as a result.

Illegally parked cab or not, that guy is an idiot for going that fast in an area with that much foot traffic. He damn near took out some chick in the beginning of the video and it didn't appear that he slowed down at all.
 

Darwin333

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Yes, the biker should have been a bit more aware. At the same time, that doesn't excuse the illegal actions of others in the video - pedestrians careless walking across a lane of traffic (the bike lane is a lane of traffic), the discharging of passengers in an illegal spot. Or the constant threat of cars that speed up to simply cut you off when they want to make a turn.

No it doesn't "excuse" it but I have to contend with idiot drivers doing illegal shit every single day. I don't continue about my drive pretending they aren't there because if I do get into an accident it will be their fault, I take measures to actively avoid a collision regardless of whose fault it would be. If the douche can't do that while riding a bike he shouldn't be riding a bike, I guess we are kind of lucky that he isn't driving a car considering his inability to plan for "shit happening" while dealing with a city full of the general public.
 

JulesMaximus

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Wait, why would any bike not have brakes? I don't care what the hell its used for, being able to slow and stop are pretty damn important features for a vehicle. If it didn't have brakes, that should be just as negligent as if I drove a vehicle I knowingly knew didn't have brakes and killed someone.

The bike did have brakes. Whoever wrote the story was wrong and if the NYPD really said that then they were either lying or stupid.

The bicycle isn't a fixed gear bike, which sometimes don't have brakes or just have one brake. This is a multi-gear time trial bike with both front and rear brakes.
 

moonbogg

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Idiot moron biker. Barreling around without regard like the reckless, dangerous animal he is. Fucking asshole. Look what he did. Why the fuck NOT slow down before an intersection or anywhere pedestrians might be? Why wouldn't you do that? Jesus Christ almighty these people are from another god damn planet.
I swear to god, some people truly don't give a shit about the wellbeing of others. I will never understand that as long as I live. I'll never understand why you wouldn't consider a possible pedestrian intersecting your path while using a vehicle near a crosswalk. Won't understand it. It will never happen.
 
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Darwin333

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The bike in the picture has brakes. He could have been using the middle arm rests where he doesn't have immediate access to the brake levers. And if that's the case, then he is a moron for riding like that downtown New York.

If that is the case he is negligent in my opinion. Same thing for someone who decides to stick their legs out of their car while driving and hits someone because they couldn't use their brakes fast enough. Brakes are important, m'kay.
 

Darwin333

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The bike did have brakes. Whoever wrote the story was wrong and if the NYPD really said that then they were either lying or stupid.

The bicycle isn't a fixed gear bike, which sometimes don't have brakes or just have one brake. This is a multi-gear time trial bike with both front and rear brakes.

Can you post a link to these bikes that don't have brakes? I just can't imagine why the hell anyone would buy or even sell a bike that doesn't have brakes. My kids tricycle has brakes and it doesn't go very fast.
 

JulesMaximus

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If that is the case he is negligent in my opinion. Same thing for someone who decides to stick their legs out of their car while driving and hits someone because they couldn't use their brakes fast enough. Brakes are important, m'kay.

It takes no time to move your hand from one part of the bar to where the brake levers are. It's akin to moving your hands from the tops of the bar on a drop bar bike to the hoods to activate the brakes or from bar ends on a mountain bike to the grips to activate the brakes. He probably was covering the brakes when he saw her step off the curb anyway... I know I would.
 

moonbogg

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Can you post a link to these bikes that don't have brakes? I just can't imagine why the hell anyone would buy or even sell a bike that doesn't have brakes. My kids tricycle has brakes and it doesn't go very fast.

I know a guy who has one. Its a fad or trend or something and these bikes are dangerous as fuck. The gears turn with the wheel, like the old school bikes but worse, because the pedals keep spinning and you cant stop them. You slow down by putting resistance on the pedals, but with too much speed stopping will take a long time or you won't be able to at all since the pedals will go out of control on your ass. Anyway this guys bike wasn't like that I guess.
 

JulesMaximus

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Can you post a link to these bikes that don't have brakes? I just can't imagine why the hell anyone would buy or even sell a bike that doesn't have brakes. My kids tricycle has brakes and it doesn't go very fast.

A fixed gear bike has no changeable gears, it is a single speed bike that has the cranks in direct connection with the rear wheel so when the bike is moving the pedals are moving. You can apply resistance with your legs as reverse rotation to slow the bike. Companies that make and sell fixed gear bikes sell them with front and rear brakes but sometimes people remove them or just leave the front brake because they can use their legs to slow the rear wheel by resisting the rotation of the cranks. They used to be used only for velodrome track racing so brakes weren't something you really needed for that type of racing. About 10-12 years ago they started becoming popular with the hipster crowd and people started customizing their bikes and riding them around in the cities. I rode an old track bike once many years ago. It was interesting for sure, very light, very responsive but I didn't like the fact that it had no brakes and that I couldn't freewheel.

Fixed gear bike with front brake.


This is very similar to the bike the guy was riding in this incident.
 
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senseamp

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This story needs more information, but it seems from what we know so far, the woman entered the street without looking left, otherwise she would have seen the biker, especially since he was in the car lane, which is safer because it gives pedestrians more time to see a biker before they step into his path. She then proceeded to ignore his oral heads up warnings. At that point her luck ran out. It seems she is at least partially to blame for her circumstances. He could also be partially to blame, depending on his actions. Was he riding in the aero bars in a place where it was ill advised? Does he have brake levers on aero bars, hard to tell from the picture. Did he attempt to brake or just yell at her to get out of the way. Based on the fact that there is no visible damage to his front wheel, it's likely he may have tried some evasive maneuver but ended up hitting her with her body instead of his bike. It's something investigators can also establish from tire marks. In any case, this appears like a cause for civil action against him, not vehicular manslaughter situation for the DA to investigate, unless he was riding intoxicated.
 

Kadarin

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Regardless of who was legally at fault, I feel that ultimately it's the responsibility of the pedestrian to maintain a high state of alertness whenever crossing the road, whether in a crosswalk with right of way, or otherwise. That alertness could very well have saved the victim in this case.
 

werepossum

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Regardless of who was legally at fault, I feel that ultimately it's the responsibility of the pedestrian to maintain a high state of alertness whenever crossing the road, whether in a crosswalk with right of way, or otherwise. That alertness could very well have saved the victim in this case.
That's a good point. Just assuming that there is nothing to hurt you because you have the right of way is a good way to collect a Darwin Award.
 

zinfamous

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Regardless of who was legally at fault, I feel that ultimately it's the responsibility of the pedestrian to maintain a high state of alertness whenever crossing the road, whether in a crosswalk with right of way, or otherwise. That alertness could very well have saved the victim in this case.

That's a good point. Just assuming that there is nothing to hurt you because you have the right of way is a good way to collect a Darwin Award.

Oh man, you guys should spend some time in Berkeley. The confluence of extremely liberal cycling laws and roadways, ultra supreme power granted to pedestrians anywhere, anytime, on any road, and the high percentage of elderly Asian and Indian drivers...

This place is hilarious.

(OK, well it would be if I didn't fear for my life every time I approach an intersection as a pedestrian, or driver)
 

werepossum

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Oh man, you guys should spend some time in Berkeley. The confluence of extremely liberal cycling laws and roadways, ultra supreme power granted to pedestrians anywhere, anytime, on any road, and the high percentage of elderly Asian and Indian drivers...

This place is hilarious.

(OK, well it would be if I didn't fear for my life every time I approach an intersection as a pedestrian, or driver)
Pretty sure I'd be lynched in Berkeley. lol

I did a theater in Corvallis, OR years back. That was pretty insanely liberal as well. The local AHJs forced us to put speaker's controls (data and power) down by the screens because "we want the option of using it as a convention center." Um . . . You DO know it isn't yours, right? They also forced us to make a really fancy interior, to their taste, and to provide lockable bicycle racks for 1/3 of the building capacity - and half of those had to be covered, with a covered path into the building. 'Cause if you ride your bicycle to the movies in the rain and snow, you're gonna want a place to keep it dry while you watch the movie . . .
 
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DCal430

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Central Park is LOADED with bicycles, skaters, roller bladers, skate boarders, horse carriages, rick shaws,.. etc. And, all of these things are usually never on any pedestrian paths.

And, no one obeys the lights in the parks. Not even the pedestrians that cross the roads.

I am saddened to hear she was hurt, but she should have been more alert.

If he ignored the light then he needs to be charged. If their is no light, he also needs to be charged.
 

drebo

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This poor woman was crossing the road via crosswalk as she was creamed by yet another mouth breathing lance armstrong wanna-be ciclist.

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Fairfield-woman-hit-by-bicycle-in-NYC-s-Central-5765942.php

Just another example of why ciclists in the car lanes is not a solution.

It's really no wonder that many cities and residents are fed up with these mouth breathing ciclists.

We build them bike lanes (paid for via vehicle tax/tag/licensing) to get them off the road and they insist on riding in the roadway because pebbles bend their delicate wheels and non lance armstrongs hold up their olympic training sessions.

It's really no wonder why these people get no respect on the road. Between blazing through redlights, intentionally and needlessly holding up traffic, refusing to brake when needed... This is what happens when an entire group behaves this way.

My sister almost got nailed crossing the street while it was her turn by an asshole riding a bike blowing through his red light.

Never a cop when you need one.
 

mikegg

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Anyone been to San Francisco lately? The cyclists literally stop for no one and nothing. They will ride through red lights and stop signs. They will ride super slow in car lanes.
 
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What I haven't seen reported in the thread yet (may have missed it):

"Police say the 31-year-old saxophone player remained on the scene. It is not clear who had the right-of-way.

Police say Marshall was in the bicycle lane and swerved to avoid hitting other pedestrians.

Witnesses said he yelled for Tarlov to get out of his way but apparently she didn’t hear him."

http://pix11.com/2014/09/19/woman-struck-by-bicyclist-in-central-park-in-critical-condition/
 

Vic

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Why should anything different happen to the cyclist than if a driver had done the same?
Which would be nothing BTW.
 
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