Woman braindead after being hit by ciclist riding in car lane

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Pedestrians always have the right of way.



I'm amazed that cyclists are so poorly educated about the same roads they beg us to keep clean for them.

And that's as it should be. I shouldn't have to fear for my cars paint job from roving bands of cyclists, as often occur here near pch.

Yeap, and I honestly think we need to get rid of this.

If I jump out into live 75mph freeway traffic, is it the driver's fault? I had the right of way! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!???? FUCKING ASSHOLE DRIVERS!!!

^ That is the thought process of pedestrians today, except in slightly less situations. Pedestrians often are endangering their own lives as well as drivers lives because of this retarded rule we have.
 
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Really? I have 6 bicycles in my garage. Do I need to pay license and registration fees on all 6 of them even though I can only ride one at a time? How about my kid's bikes? Do I need to register and insure each of those too? Where does the money grab end? What is that money going to be used for? All the non-existent wear and tear I put on the roads?

I think we should encourage cycling as a means of transportation, not discourage it.

:thumbsdown: I am totally against this.


Of course you do, just like cars, motorcycles, boats, trailers, any any other vehicle on the road. This is quite possibly the dumbest of all the ciclist arguments, and that's saying a lot.


My proposal, which is useless because you ciclist loons refuse to work towards any agreement, is that you must have a tag/insurance if you're riding on any road with a double yellow.

This would mean it's fine to do your olympic training in a neighborhood or just about anywhere with a 25mph limit. And your kids can play in the cul-de-sac.

But, when you blaze through a red light and run some old lady with a walker into a ditch people can get your tag and call the law on you.. Which is why you nutters don't want tax/tags.


I think it's insane that you ciclists can't wrap your mind around how we tax/tag all vehicles on the road.


And you know what would help ciclists on the road? Tax/tagging all bicycles. Have 100% of the tag money go towards bike lanes. Enact laws which require ALL ciclists, even the olympians, to ride in a bike lane if available.
 

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Yeap, and I honestly think we need to get rid of this.



If I jump out into live 75mph freeway traffic, is it the driver's fault? I had the right of way! RIGHT?! RIGHT?!???? FUCKING ASSHOLE DRIVERS!!!



^ That is the thought process of pedestrians today, except in slightly less situations.


There are assholes on all sides of this argument.

That's what I'm trying to impress upon the cyclist crowd. It's like texting and driving, legal is some places illegal in others. Emailing is legal everywhere that I know of.


Life includes risk.
 

brycejones

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Ciclists want all the benefits of cars but non of the downsides. They don't want to follow the laws, they don't want to help pay for them. But they have no problem holding lanes and blocking traffic, or mauling some poor lady in a crosswalk who dares be in their way.

LOLOLOLOLOL the crazy is strong with this one.
 

TreVader

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I have no power to ban you. And being stupid has hardly been an impediment for posters here. Have you looked around P&N lately? The general rule of thumb has always been: don't want to be banned? Don't be an asshole.


Actually I was told personal attacks (i.e. Being an asshole) are allowed.


If I get banned for responding to your asshole comments and personal attacks likewise, but you get butthurt (like you did) and report me, and I don't report you (because I'm not a whiny bitch), does that make you right?


Quite the opposite I think.


Edit: also, just a side not, advocating that P&N is a great place to be stupid, but not to talk freely, may sound good to you but it doesn't to me. I thought this was a free discussion forum?
 
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that is an interesting case.

the laws are there to protect her from being killed but i don't think she sees it that way.

refusing to drive on what looks like a paved shoulder makes it seem like she is trying to prove a point.

a point that is moot when she is run down by a kia and the driver of the car is prosecuted for murder or whatever when the cyclist was given instructions by a judge to get on the shoulder.

i don't know, the shoulder on that road looks pretty fucked up.

it's hard to have a solid opinion on that case. I believe some accomodations need to be made for people who will bicycle (in terms of building bike paths). Where I lived in San Diego, there were separate bike lanes everywhere and it was fairly good. (though bikers still got killed. 2x I came close to getting creamed... Once by a truck turning into a gas station across my lane, and once by a minivan turning out of a gas station across my lane.) Where I live near Washington, D.C., there are paved bike paths everywhere, so for my commute to work (~4.5 miles), i'm on actual road maybe .5 miles.
 

bradley

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Allegedly this is where the accident took place.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.770...!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sylxsfAK_RZVO41EYQaBDVw!2e0!3e5

This crosswalk has a traffic light, not a stop or a yield. There's even a yellow caution sign at the crosswalk, letting pedestrians know to be careful of cars.

Some are stating that Marshall had the green light, but was outside the bike lane and speeding. He often bragged about going faster than Central Park's 25mph speed limit, sometimes approaching speeds of 35mph.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Allegedly this is where the accident took place.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.770...!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sylxsfAK_RZVO41EYQaBDVw!2e0!3e5

This crosswalk has a traffic light, not a stop or a yield. There's even a yellow caution sign at the crosswalk, letting pedestrians know to be careful of cars.

Some are stating that Marshall had the green light, but was outside the bike lane and speeding. He often bragged about going faster than Central Park's 25mph speed limit, sometimes approaching speeds of 35mph.

So in other words the woman who was struck was at fault.
 

Darwin333

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Really? I have 6 bicycles in my garage. Do I need to pay license and registration fees on all 6 of them even though I can only ride one at a time? How about my kid's bikes? Do I need to register and insure each of those too? Where does the money grab end? What is that money going to be used for? All the non-existent wear and tear I put on the roads?

I think we should encourage cycling as a means of transportation, not discourage it.

:thumbsdown: I am totally against this.

Improved bike lanes with a physical barrier from other traffic and pedestrians?
 

senseamp

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Allegedly this is where the accident took place.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.770...!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sylxsfAK_RZVO41EYQaBDVw!2e0!3e5

This crosswalk has a traffic light, not a stop or a yield. There's even a yellow caution sign at the crosswalk, letting pedestrians know to be careful of cars.

Some are stating that Marshall had the green light, but was outside the bike lane and speeding. He often bragged about going faster than Central Park's 25mph speed limit, sometimes approaching speeds of 35mph.

I doubt he was going faster than 25 unless it was downhill. And riding outside of bike lane is not a big deal, actually should have given the lady more time to see him. Plus it's not a real bike lane, there are pedestrians using it, so it was the safe and legal thing for him to do to be in the car lane if he was riding 25mph. If he had the green light, it was entirely her fault and he should sue her estate for any injuries he sustained, physical or psychological, and damage to his bike.
 

bradley

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So in other words the woman who was struck was at fault.

Theoretically yes. However, I'm sure Jason Marshall's Strava page (which logged the bicycle trip, including speeds) will be used as evidence if charges are indeed brought against him. Seems as though his logging a faster time included the foolish decision to swerve instead of brake, which could have cost this woman her life.

http://www.strava.com/athletes/3168825

Marshall, a studio session saxophonist, told cops he couldn’t say how fast he was pedaling down the park’s West Drive when he slammed into Tarlov, source said.

“We don’t know how fast he was going,” one frustrated investigator conceded Friday night.

But Marshall, 31, of East Harlem, likes to go very fast — and boasts about it online almost every day.

He uses a GPS and other software to track his maximum and average speeds during his often twice-daily rides through the park, The Post has found.
His blazing speeds are uploaded — precise to the 10th of a mile per hour — onto a competitive running and cycling Web site.

“New Chain, brakes and RD(7800gs),” he had boasted earlier Thursday on the Strava site, referring to a new rear derailleur for his bike. “All systems go.”

Hours before he slammed into Tarlov, Marshall had logged 32.2 miles of cycling during a predawn spin through the park, the site says — and listed his top speed for that ride at 35.6 mph, well over the 25 mph speed limit for bikes and cars.

His maximum speed during five sprints on that same downhill stretch of West Drive during his Thursday-morning ride was 28.9 mph, his data on Strava says.

Marshall — who appeared to have logged every one of his 9,000 miles ridden so far this year — left no record of the one afternoon ride that put Tarlov in the hospital.

After the crash, he admitted to cops he was in the wrong lane but insisted he wasn’t speeding, had the green light and had shouted to warn Tarlov as he approached, law-enforcement sources said.

But so far, witnesses have told cops that Marshall appeared to be going at a high rate of speed and had tried to swerve rather than brake.
 
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bradley

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I doubt he was going faster than 25 unless it was downhill. And riding outside of bike lane is not a big deal, actually should have given the lady more time to see him. Plus it's not a real bike lane, there are pedestrians using it, so it was the safe and legal thing for him to do to be in the car lane if he was riding 25mph. If he had the green light, it was entirely her fault and he should sue her estate for any injuries he sustained, physical or psychological, and damage to his bike.

In NYC, riding a bicycle outside the bicycle lane is a ticketable offense, even though it's not technically illegal. I've also seen people easily clock 30mph+ on level ground with those bikes. This will be a very interesting case.

Additionally, the entire stretch of Central Park's West Drive is downhill, from about W90 and beyond. At West 68th street the elevation is 89ft and drops to 57ft a block before W43.
 

Darwin333

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Fuck you for having no life and no friends, and being angry at every person who does.


Or is that not what you're REALLY angry about, engineer

My friends call me when they want to talk to me and they know I'm driving (which they will after I reply with an auto-text) because, well frankly because they are my friends and they want to continue being my friend. That gets a bit tougher if I'm dead because my dumbass was trying to text or even worse pound out an email while driving on the interstate/highway or damn near anywhere.

Perhaps your friends don't really like you nearly as much as you think they do.
 

Darwin333

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Are you a cyclist? Because they constantly endanger the safety of people on the road.


Unlike you, however, I'm not a foaming psychopath bent on making everyone follow my rules.


And you're not the one laughing, I am, so who cares if you think it's funny? Not me.

Are you an organ donor?
 

Darwin333

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Interesting statistics, so 16:1 ratio of car to bycicle injuries.

I wonder what the ratio is of bikes to cars on NYC roads? I would guess that it would actually be close to that 16:1 number. If it's lower, then bikes are actually even worse than cars!

Your statistics paint a grim picture of bike to pedestrian interaction in NYC. None of those 1000 people NEEDED to be injured. They ( the cyclists) could've taken the fucking bus!


But they didn't, and that's ok. There is a certain possibility there is some cyclists headlight waiting to break my neck when I step out the door, but I take that risk. There is a risk I'll get hit by somebody texting in a supremely ironic way, but I take that risk too.

You aren't very good at math either...

Per the numbers cited, its closer to 30:1.
 

Zaap

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Lance Armstrong wannabe?

What, caught cheating and booted out of the sport?
 

TreVader

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I don't actually use it for texting as much as I do email (which is probably worse tbh)


It's not like I want to answer emails in stop and go traffic for an hour before and after work. It's part of my job to be available so I am.

Maybe if my state built roads that could accommodate the daily traffic, this wouldn't be an issue. Because when the car is actually moving at speed I leave the phone alone and use Siri.
 

JulesMaximus

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Consider how much you drive, and how much you talk. Now imagine you do both at much higher frequency (because you live in Southern California and have to drive to work and back in hours of traffic, or whatever). What is your solution then? Pull over on the 405 in rush hour traffic? Not answer calls, emails, or texts for 1-2hrs? Sometimes that's not a fucking option.



You guys talking shit about texting probably live in Idaho and work at home.


And i have a Bluetooth headset retard. I'm taking about emails and to a lesser degree texts. I mostly email in my car when I break the law.

I live in San Diego, lived in Los Angeles for 7 years and commuted all over that area, and I can honestly say that you are a fucking dumbass. I see shitheads like you texting while driving all the time and I just want to smash your window, grab that fucking phone out of your worthless hands and throw it across the freeway.
 
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