Woman Claims She was Disabled by Flu Shot Reaction

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
there's always a small percentage of people who have negative reactions. She just happens to be one of those.

You're assuming that there is a connection between the shot and what happened to her.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: First
Point blank; you're not very well informed or intelligent if you're wary of vaccinations. The science is so open, simple, and well accepted around the world (not just Western medicine, any well respected medical science) that it's extraordinarily dangerous not to vaccinate yourself or your children. The science is in on this one and thinking otherwise is, more or less, like being a 9/11 Truther. That may hurt to hear for some, but it's true and it's not really debatable.

So, you'll be first in line for the AIDS vaccine, right?

Are you one of those crack babies that thinks you get the flu from flu vaccines? For what it's worth I would get any potential vaccine for AIDS in a heartbeat.

 

[DealMonkey]

Oh yay! Another moron confusing correlation for causation! :roll:

 

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: NeoV
There are a handful of people every year that die in the chair while dentists are doing work on them - should we be 'wary' of dental work too?

There's more a handful of people that fatally blow a coronary while sitting straining on their crapper - should we therefore also be 'wary' of defecating?

This is an idiotic thread. There's no evidence whatsoever that vaccines are dangerous in any way. That some people suffer reactions or even die in conjunction with taking vaccines is usually just a matter of statistics; lots of people annually get vaccinated, a tiny percentage will come down with some symptom or other for some reason, and it's not neccessarily because of the vaccine, but merely happenstance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pulsar

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: vhx
She took the vaccine. The vaccine caused her to come down with the flu. Then the flu gave her adverse reactions. So technically all the flu shot did was cause her to come down with the flu.

It's sad what happened to her. But still, young people who take flu shots, wtf?

The science is so open, simple, and well accepted around the world.

Worst argument ever.

What? Can you tell me how a dead virus can infect someone? It can't.

Worst argument ever.

Some vaccines use dead virus, some used weakened live virus that are damaged so they can not reproduce. In either case, the vaccine cannot give you the flu. It may well be she was already infected, or contracted soon after she got the vaccine before her immune system could react.

I know you can't get it, but someone will say "Life finds a way" and wander away looking at chaotic attractors if it's attenuated, not killed. In her case it the virus was dead, so unless we change "life to "zombies" even those who don't get it will have a tough time inventing new scientific principles unencumbered by data.

 

[Ozoned]

How do you count the number of people that didn't die or get sick because they did get a flu shot?

 

[mizzou]

I have never had a flu shot before, and according to some of you, that's the equivalent of starving myself?

Can someone explain to me, of people who get the flu shot, what % actually get a benefit from it?

 

[fallout man]

Now if she only had a gun and a Bible, this would have never happened to her. Damn liberal flu!

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Now if she only had a gun and a Bible, this would have never happened to her. Damn liberal flu!

You're thinking of the Gay Plague.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: First

Point blank; you're not very well informed or intelligent if you're wary of vaccinations. The science is so open, simple, and well accepted around the world (not just Western medicine, any well respected medical science) that it's extraordinarily dangerous not to vaccinate yourself or your children. The science is in on this one and thinking otherwise is, more or less, like being a 9/11 Truther. That may hurt to hear for some, but it's true and it's not really debatable.

So, you'll be first in line for the AIDS vaccine, right?

It's simple arithmetic. Until there's a cure, AIDS is guaranteed death if you're poor and a guaranteed, very, very expensive, very, very hassled existence every of the rest of your shortened life if you happen to be wealthy enough to afford the best available treatments.

If you know you're in an at risk group for AIDS, and there's a well tested vaccine with published information about a low risk of side effects, you'd be a fool not to get vaccinated.

 

[mizzou]

lol, are we talking about the freaking flu "vaccine" here or are we talking about meningitis etc..

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh yay! Another moron confusing correlation for causation! :roll:

I know someone who contracted polio from vaccine. So, there is a fucking risk, fuckhead.

 

[sciwizam]

another vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM

She can walk backwards and can run forwards normally

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JKing106

I know someone who contracted polio from vaccine. So, there is a fucking risk, fuckhead.

From polio vaccine or another?

Even when there's a finite risk, it's the right thing to do if the consequences of getting the disease are catastrophic and chances of getting the disease are higher without vaccination. Polio is exactly that kind of disease.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh yay! Another moron confusing correlation for causation! :roll:

I know someone who contracted polio from vaccine. So, there is a fucking risk, fuckhead.

Fuckhead? I'm happy to see that we continue to only bring the best and brightest into P&N :roll:

Influenza vaccine != polio vaccine.

Influenza vaccine (not the nasally administered one) is a dead virus - essentially virus antigens; they get your immune system to create antibodies for the influenza potentially floating around that year. Those virus parts cannot spontaneously assemble and magically create influenza RNA and start a new infection de novo

The Polio vaccine, non-orally administered, is an inactivated virus, much like the influenza vaccine.

There is an oral vaccine for polio, which uses an attenuated virus which is supposed to be non-infectious. There are documented cases of the attenuated virus spontaneously reverting to its native form and becoming infectious, albeit rare.

But back to the point -

How do you know that said person contracted polio from the vaccine? They could have been exposed prior to vaccination or before vaccination effects kicked in; it takes time to build an immunity. Polio has an incubation period of 6-20 days (first exposure to first symptoms), with a max range of 3-35 days. And if innoculated using the inactivated polio vaccine, there is a chance that you can contract reverted polio (from a person who contracted iatrogenic polio - reverted from the attenuated virus) or wild type polio.

Correlation does not imply causation and a single case with another disease does not make a good argument against the vaccines of an unrelated disease.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/hea...shot_reaction_dystonia

WASHINGTON, D.C. - An Ashburn, Virginia woman is in the fight of her life after suffering a very rare side effect to the seasonal flu shot.

The vast majority of doctors say flu shots are safe. In this case, the FDA says they found nothing wrong with this particular batch, but sometimes there are complications.

That's apparently what happened to Desiree Jennings, and now her life will never be the same.

At 26 years old, Desiree Jennings was the picture of health. She's a Washington Redskins cheerleader and an avid runner. Her life changed forever on August 23 when she says she got a seasonal flu shot at a local grocery store.

"I was training for a half marathon then," said Jennings, crying. "It just all went so fast."

Ten days after receiving the shot, she came down with the flu. After that, her health spiraled downwards. She started passing out and had to be hospitalized twice.

"We went to an urgent care place and they wouldn't even let her get out of my truck because she was seizing in the back so bad, so they called an ambulance immediately," says her husband, Brendan Jennings.

Doctors at Fairfax Inova and Johns Hopkins diagnosed her with a rare neurological disorder called dystonia. They think it was caused by a severe reaction to the flu shot.

Desiree now has difficulty speaking, walking, and even eating. During an interview with FOX 5, she had several seizures. The effects are irreversible.

"The symptoms will get worse if I use my voice or walk when the brain signals are misfiring," says Jennings.

Desiree reported her health problems to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) thinking there might have been something wrong with her vaccine. We also contacted the FDA and we were told they found no problems with the particular lot of flu vaccines that Desiree received, and the agency has not received any other reports of adverse effects from this lot.

Health experts stress that overall, extreme side effects are rare.

"The flu shot is safe for the majority of the public, and as I said before, your heart goes out to someone that experiences this sort of thing-- thinking that they are doing something great for their wellness and their general health, but it does happen in extremely rare cases," says Rachel Lynch with Fairfax Inove Health System.

For Desiree, she just happened to be one of those rare cases.

"I just don't want this to happen to anyone else," says Jennings.

Desiree and her husband plan to visit the Mayo Clinic in Arizona in November. They're hoping to get more answers about this disease and how they live with it.

Desiree has received flu shots before in 2007 and 2008.

More info and articles here:
http://www.generationrescue.org/desiree_jennings.html

This is a direct response to another thread on the forum but I thought it warranted a thread of its own. This is very sad and shows that folks have a right to be wary of vaccinations.

A couple of problems with this. Flu shots do not cause the flu so I am curious how they can say she came down with the flu 10 days after the shot. The virus in the vaccine is dead so it cannot infect you. Also the doctors THINK it may have been caused by a severe reaction to the vaccine although it is well known that dystonia occurs for no identifiable reason in otherwise perfectly healthy adults.

This whole vaccinations will cause all manner of horrible conditions attitude is insane. I have a sister in law who is refusing to have her children ages 3-7 vaccinated because she is convinced it will cause them all kinds of health problems. Sorry but they already have asthma and chronic allergies. Their 3 yr old cousin was diagnosed with autism before she ever had a vaccination. It is a numbers game there are definately very rare cases of reactions from some vaccines. On the otherhand there is some pretty solid historical data having to do with child mortality rates before vaccines were commonly available that is far more terrifying than the extremely rare vaccine reaction.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh yay! Another moron confusing correlation for causation! :roll:

I know someone who contracted polio from vaccine. So, there is a fucking risk, fuckhead.

There, there, JKing, show us where the vaccination touched you inappropriately.

 

[dmcowen674]

So much FAIL in this thread

 

[whylaff]

I?m in my 20s and I got my shot a month before I developed severe heart failure and found out I had cardiomyopathy. The shot must have caused it, because I was healthy before and people never get sick unexpectedly.

 

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[ScottyB]

The flu isn't AIDS or Polio or Small Pox. A flu vaccination is unnecessary for most people. Get over it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
The flu isn't AIDS or Polio or Small Pox. A flu vaccination is unnecessary for most people. Get over it.

Gotta love the media coverage of the flu. Makes me sick.

 

[SirStev0]

Could you please update the OP? There have been many updates in this story, the most significant being Neurologists discrediting her claim that it was "caused" or "triggered" by immunization.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Could you please update the OP? There have been many updates in this story, the most significant being Neurologists discrediting her claim that it was "caused" or "triggered" by immunization.

No surprise there.

I've never understood how people can't see the benefits of getting vaccinated. Sure, there are small (very small) risks, but I think what people fail to consider is that if everyone decided against getting vaccinated, we'd have some pretty horrible diseases running rampant through our society. While getting vaccinated might slightly increase your risk of some negative side-effect, it's important for the general well-being of our society.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Could you please update the OP? There have been many updates in this story, the most significant being Neurologists discrediting her claim that it was "caused" or "triggered" by immunization.

Uh-oh, we better get Richard Heene, "Science Detective" on the case, stat!