Woman dies in ER lobby as 911 refuses to help

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Maybe the ER was "refusing" service (aka ignoring her or taking an inordinate amount of time to see her) because she wasn't insured? Happens all the time.

If they were, that will get your hospital shut down too. Thats against the law.

Either way you slice it, this hospital NEEDS to close. Thats horrid and would never happen in the ER I work in. We would rushed her into the back, maybe as a medical code, and probably had her in surgery in under an hour.

THATS what NEEDED to happen and thanks to these incompetent staff, it didnt.

Everybody in Los Angeles knows that King-Drew is horrible and nobody in their right mind would be willingly taken there. Again, this story is just one of many. Of course, every time the subject of closing it comes up the minority leaders and politicians get up in arms over it being in the a minority community and where are they going to go if that hospital is closed. It's located in a sh!thole of an area and it needs to be shut down since nobody can seem to operate it effectively.

This isn't the first time someone has died as a result of the incompetence there.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I do not know anything more about this story than what I just read, however, I just want to point something out:

"Relatives reported she died as police were wheeling her out of the hospital after the officers they had asked to help Rodriguez arrested her instead on a parole violation."

The source for the actions of the police are the relatives. Until I see confirmation (and not just a repeat of the above without confirmation) that the police actually arrested her, I will withhold my judgment regarding the police actions.

BTW, King-Drew is a deathtrap.

MotionMan

Well, that did not take long:

Confirmed.

Also sheds a little more light on why the hospital staff was (wrongly) a little fed up with the woman.

I am sure that people who work in the medical field can confirm that bad medical staff will label patients who actually insist on care and their rights as "trouble" patients or "complainers".

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Maybe the ER was "refusing" service (aka ignoring her or taking an inordinate amount of time to see her) because she wasn't insured? Happens all the time.

If they were, that will get your hospital shut down too. Thats against the law.

Either way you slice it, this hospital NEEDS to close. Thats horrid and would never happen in the ER I work in. We would rushed her into the back, maybe as a medical code, and probably had her in surgery in under an hour.

THATS what NEEDED to happen and thanks to these incompetent staff, it didnt.

Everybody in Los Angeles knows that King-Drew is horrible and nobody in their right mind would be willingly taken there. Again, this story is just one of many. Of course, every time the subject of closing it comes up the minority leaders and politicians get up in arms over it being in the a minority community and where are they going to go if that hospital is closed. It's located in a sh!thole of an area and it needs to be shut down since nobody can seem to operate it effectively.

This isn't the first time someone has died as a result of the incompetence there.

The irony is that those same minority leaders then are front and center when someone dies and is seeking millions in compensation. King-Drew has been a big money-maker for some families.

MotionMan

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

This isn't P&N, and national healthcare doesn't have to give a penny to hospitals (good or bad). You can easilly give national healthcare by giving a tax credit (to a reasonable limit) that matches your health insurance premiums. There would be no government control of insurance companies, no government control of hospitals, no direct money to hospitals, no direct money to morons like this. Only people with legal standing who file their taxes get covered. Etc.

I'll settle for just being able to deduct premiums from my taxes, like people who get insurance through their employer and pay pre-tax.

 

[alrocky]

Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, who represents the district in which Martin Luther King/Drew is located, declared, "I'll tell you this: That hospital will be closed over my dead body."People have been dying there for years. The US Army used to send new Army doctors there because there were plenty of people there suffering from gun shot wounds et al. A target rich locale.

LA area cops and firemen tell their partners and buddies: "if I'm ever wounded and unconscious, don't take to MLK/D."

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: alrocky
Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, who represents the district in which Martin Luther King/Drew is located, declared, "I'll tell you this: That hospital will be closed over my dead body."People have been dying there for years. The US Army used to send new Army doctors there because there were plenty of people there suffering from gun shot wounds et al. A target rich locale.

LA area cops and firemen tell their partners and buddies: "if I'm ever wounded and unconscious, don't take to MLK/D."

Yeah, I hope someone kills her and then closes the hospital because the lawsuits are costing everyone who lives in Los Angeles money every time they kill someone because of their incompetence.

She's an idiot.

 

[da loser]

so did they refuse to help her because she had come in before, and figured she was just a crazy person?

reading that article i get the impression the nurse knew the lady and figured she was just a drama queen.

sorta like the boy the cried wolf

or is it because it's a poor people's hospital that gets the worst managements/doctors/etc.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Yep because the system isn't already destroying itself on its own. I willing to put money on the fact that they didn't treat the woman because she didn't have health insurance.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Exactly. Private industry can ALWAYS be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the customer. I mean, if they weren't trustworthy, we'd need all kinds of safety regulations in place to ensure that the customer's interests and safety are protected.


Oh, wait.

 

[RelaxTheMind]

Actually, being around hospitals all my life, I believe they are getting more run by the book. Not necessarily hiring people who dont care but people who eventually grow in to heartless beings where patients are numbered customers.

Im wondering why other countries are getting taxes/health care right, while we lag behind because American standards are so stubbornly set in.

We debate about this at work from time to time. (we get full "free" medical as a benefit) $15 copay of course though

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Exactly. Private industry can ALWAYS be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the customer. I mean, if they weren't trustworthy, we'd need all kinds of safety regulations in place to ensure that the customer's interests and safety are protected.


Oh, wait.

Read what happened carefully. There was no private industry involved in what happened here.

As for regulations, those are whole other issues, the discussion of which would probably be way over your head. We already have numerous criminal laws against theft and fraud, why does corporate industry get off easy with mere regulations?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
Actually, being around hospitals all my life, I believe they are getting more run by the book. Not necessarily hiring people who dont care but people who eventually grow in to heartless beings where patients are numbered customers.

Im wondering why other countries are getting taxes/health care right, while we lag behind because American standards are so stubbornly set in.

We debate about this at work from time to time. (we get full "free" medical as a benefit) $15 copay of course though

It's inevitable regardless if you ask me. Dehumanization is the most common way of dealing with a constant assault of a highly unpleasant reality. It's like how cops and military think in terms of the "bad guys" while they're herding human beings into prisons or even killing them.

Other countries don't get taxes/health care right. That's a myth based on propaganda and abused statistics. The actual truth is that we have the finest health care system in the world (if you can afford it), and simultaneously the highest percentage of population in the world that takes really crappy care of their health (obesity, etc.).
But dying while waiting for health care is a not uncommon occurrence in those other countries who are "getting it right."

 

[Siddhartha]

never mind

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

Maybe the ER was "refusing" service (aka ignoring her or taking an inordinate amount of time to see her) because she wasn't insured? Happens all the time.

If they were, that will get your hospital shut down too. Thats against the law.

Either way you slice it, this hospital NEEDS to close. Thats horrid and would never happen in the ER I work in. We would rushed her into the back, maybe as a medical code, and probably had her in surgery in under an hour.

THATS what NEEDED to happen and thanks to these incompetent staff, it didnt.

Everybody in Los Angeles knows that King-Drew is horrible and nobody in their right mind would be willingly taken there. Again, this story is just one of many. Of course, every time the subject of closing it comes up the minority leaders and politicians get up in arms over it being in the a minority community and where are they going to go if that hospital is closed. It's located in a sh!thole of an area and it needs to be shut down since nobody can seem to operate it effectively.

This isn't the first time someone has died as a result of the incompetence there.

I used to live in that area and that Hospital is the worst hospital I have ever seen. I'm glad I never got hurt when I lived around there or I probably wouldn't be here typing this.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: da loser
so did they refuse to help her because she had come in before, and figured she was just a crazy person?

reading that article i get the impression the nurse knew the lady and figured she was just a drama queen.

sorta like the boy the cried wolf

or is it because it's a poor people's hospital that gets the worst managements/doctors/etc.

From the second story linked, it sounds like she had been there once before that day (or thereabouts), and once before that within the past few days, all for the same problem.

Now, if she'd received a thorough exam, and the doctor had determined that her problem should be handled by the medication she received and a doctor's appointment at some point in the future, I could see how the nurses would wait before re-admitting her to the ER.

However, my guess is that the exam she received was subpar, she was misdiagnosed, and thus when the medication didn't help with her pain, she returned and was deemed to be a complainer.

I will point out, though, that in the hospital ER were I used to work (as well as ones in which both of my parents have worked), the loudness and/or frequency with which a person b!tches does nothing to change the quality of care they receive.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
That is awful

However ER's can be a strange place.

When I went to the ER 2 years ago after I broke my ankle and sprained my other one at the same time, it was packed. My friends literally carried me into the ER and put me on a wheel chair. My ankles were swollen beyond believe and I knew my ankle was broken. However there were other people waiting in line, but they were people with colds and fevers and nothing nearly as bad as me. Everyone was even looking at me because I was trying to hold in my emotions cause of the pain and they knew I needed help quick.

It took them a long time to even get me ice. So I was sitting there in pain for like 45 mins and not making any progress. I called my father who does surgery in another hospital that was like 5 miles away, and he pulled some strings and got it so that I could go there and be seen right away. So I get there and 15 minutes later I'm on the X-Ray table. Also the ER at this other hospital was virtually empty. I went in front of 2 other people but they didn't seem to be in any serious pain or having a problem that neededimmediate attention.

And on top of this, the ER at the hospital I was xrayed at screwed up. They told me my right ankle (the one I KNEW was broken) was just fractured, because they put the L sticker (for left ankle) on that Xray, and the R sticker on the other one. However since my other ankle wasn't hurting that much they just didn't even bother to look at that Xray.

The following day my father calls me at 7am and was like "your ankle is clearly broken, im looking at your xray right now" and i went in to see a doctor he recommended. Yes it was clearly broken. The thing is, it had swollen up so bad I couldn't get surgery at that time. I had to wait 2 more days for the swelling to go down in order to get surgery. Had they not screwed up the night before, I would have been in surgery after my Xray's because the swelling was not that bad at that time.

fractured = broken

 

[CrazyShiz]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: purbeast0
That is awful

However ER's can be a strange place.

When I went to the ER 2 years ago after I broke my ankle and sprained my other one at the same time, it was packed. My friends literally carried me into the ER and put me on a wheel chair. My ankles were swollen beyond believe and I knew my ankle was broken. However there were other people waiting in line, but they were people with colds and fevers and nothing nearly as bad as me. Everyone was even looking at me because I was trying to hold in my emotions cause of the pain and they knew I needed help quick.

It took them a long time to even get me ice. So I was sitting there in pain for like 45 mins and not making any progress. I called my father who does surgery in another hospital that was like 5 miles away, and he pulled some strings and got it so that I could go there and be seen right away. So I get there and 15 minutes later I'm on the X-Ray table. Also the ER at this other hospital was virtually empty. I went in front of 2 other people but they didn't seem to be in any serious pain or having a problem that neededimmediate attention.

And on top of this, the ER at the hospital I was xrayed at screwed up. They told me my right ankle (the one I KNEW was broken) was just fractured, because they put the L sticker (for left ankle) on that Xray, and the R sticker on the other one. However since my other ankle wasn't hurting that much they just didn't even bother to look at that Xray.

The following day my father calls me at 7am and was like "your ankle is clearly broken, im looking at your xray right now" and i went in to see a doctor he recommended. Yes it was clearly broken. The thing is, it had swollen up so bad I couldn't get surgery at that time. I had to wait 2 more days for the swelling to go down in order to get surgery. Had they not screwed up the night before, I would have been in surgery after my Xray's because the swelling was not that bad at that time.

fractured = broken

Wrong.

From someone who has both fractured and broken his ankles numerous times, I can tell you that there is a difference.

 

[hemiram]

I was nearly a victim of this kind of thing when I was 12, a long time ago. I was having bad stomach pains all day, and we ended up going to the ER at one of the 2 biggest local hospitals. Our family doctor had called ahead, thinking, correctly, it was appendicitis from the way I yelled when my mother did what he asked her to do, and poked my in the lower right abdomen. We got there at 715pm, they took blood, and they handed me a puke pan, and let me sit and sit and sit. Finally at 1115, they let me come into the exam room, and I said, "I feel better all of a sudden!". The doctor comes in, and asks me some questions, and pokes me, and it hurt, but not nearly as bad as it did before. He mutters, "Oh S**t!", and off I go to the OR, where they took out what was left of my ruptured appendix. They found what appeared to be a very old peanut in it, and that was what caused the infection.

I developed Peritonitis pretty quickly, and they took my stitches out and put this hot pack thing on my stomach to heat it up to make it "drain". On the 14th day I was in there, I suddenly felt a whole lot better than I had since I came in. I went to sleep and woke up at 4am, covered in pus! It was disgusting, there was literally gallons of it! It was in my hair like I had put melted butter iin it! After I got cleaned up, my doctor, who is one of those guys that gets up at 4am, shows up, and says, "OK, you can go home!". I called my parents at 7am, and woke them up. They didn't get me out of there until 3PM!! I spent two more weeks at home, and then went back to school. It was another month before I could stand up straight.

Did we sue? Nope! They never even thought about it!
Did my folks pay the hospital bill? Hell yes!
Would I have sued today? You bet!

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: da loser
so did they refuse to help her because she had come in before, and figured she was just a crazy person?

reading that article i get the impression the nurse knew the lady and figured she was just a drama queen.

sorta like the boy the cried wolf

or is it because it's a poor people's hospital that gets the worst managements/doctors/etc.

She had been there before, but came back as per the instructions they gave her on her discharge slips. She kept falling out of her chair, in pain, and writhing on the floor. So they labeled as a dramatic problem patient and basically ignored her after that.

 

[antillean]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

This isn't P&N, and national healthcare doesn't have to give a penny to hospitals (good or bad). You can easilly give national healthcare by giving a tax credit (to a reasonable limit) that matches your health insurance premiums. There would be no government control of insurance companies, no government control of hospitals, no direct money to hospitals, no direct money to morons like this. Only people with legal standing who file their taxes get covered. Etc.

Private health insurance is a lot more expensive than national healthcare.

 

[BUTCH1]

The ER's in my area are always busy, it's not uncommon to wait hours to get treatment.
Not a knock at the staff's at all, if you don't have insurance the ER is were you go. A lot
of the patients are illegals and some work at jobs that just don't offer insurance. The end
result is overtaxing available facility's I think a better plan would open a free clinic to treat
minor problems (flu, small lacerations ect) so the ER's trained trauma staff can use their
expertise at the more serious conditions.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: antillean

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: JS80
And Obama/Clinton wants to nationalize healthcare and give more money to these morons and ruin the fragile healthcare as it is?

This isn't P&N, and national healthcare doesn't have to give a penny to hospitals (good or bad). You can easilly give national healthcare by giving a tax credit (to a reasonable limit) that matches your health insurance premiums. There would be no government control of insurance companies, no government control of hospitals, no direct money to hospitals, no direct money to morons like this. Only people with legal standing who file their taxes get covered. Etc.

Private health insurance is a lot more expensive than national healthcare.

Not for me it isn't.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: purbeast0
That is awful

However ER's can be a strange place.

When I went to the ER 2 years ago after I broke my ankle and sprained my other one at the same time, it was packed. My friends literally carried me into the ER and put me on a wheel chair. My ankles were swollen beyond believe and I knew my ankle was broken. However there were other people waiting in line, but they were people with colds and fevers and nothing nearly as bad as me. Everyone was even looking at me because I was trying to hold in my emotions cause of the pain and they knew I needed help quick.

It took them a long time to even get me ice. So I was sitting there in pain for like 45 mins and not making any progress. I called my father who does surgery in another hospital that was like 5 miles away, and he pulled some strings and got it so that I could go there and be seen right away. So I get there and 15 minutes later I'm on the X-Ray table. Also the ER at this other hospital was virtually empty. I went in front of 2 other people but they didn't seem to be in any serious pain or having a problem that neededimmediate attention.

And on top of this, the ER at the hospital I was xrayed at screwed up. They told me my right ankle (the one I KNEW was broken) was just fractured, because they put the L sticker (for left ankle) on that Xray, and the R sticker on the other one. However since my other ankle wasn't hurting that much they just didn't even bother to look at that Xray.

The following day my father calls me at 7am and was like "your ankle is clearly broken, im looking at your xray right now" and i went in to see a doctor he recommended. Yes it was clearly broken. The thing is, it had swollen up so bad I couldn't get surgery at that time. I had to wait 2 more days for the swelling to go down in order to get surgery. Had they not screwed up the night before, I would have been in surgery after my Xray's because the swelling was not that bad at that time.

fractured = broken

Wrong.

From someone who has both fractured and broken his ankles numerous times, I can tell you that there is a difference.

There is no medical term "broken." What laypersons refer to as broken is a displaced fracture where the bone is disrupted all the way through and the pieces seperated and/or shifted. What most refer to as fractured is a "nondisplaced fracture". Both are fractures. If there is no finding of boney disruption it is assumed that the injury is in the soft tissues, ligaments and tendons and therefore a sprain, which can be mild with stretching of the structure to severe where the structure has been torn into 2 pieces, and grades between.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: purbeast0
That is awful

However ER's can be a strange place.

When I went to the ER 2 years ago after I broke my ankle and sprained my other one at the same time, it was packed. My friends literally carried me into the ER and put me on a wheel chair. My ankles were swollen beyond believe and I knew my ankle was broken. However there were other people waiting in line, but they were people with colds and fevers and nothing nearly as bad as me. Everyone was even looking at me because I was trying to hold in my emotions cause of the pain and they knew I needed help quick.

It took them a long time to even get me ice. So I was sitting there in pain for like 45 mins and not making any progress. I called my father who does surgery in another hospital that was like 5 miles away, and he pulled some strings and got it so that I could go there and be seen right away. So I get there and 15 minutes later I'm on the X-Ray table. Also the ER at this other hospital was virtually empty. I went in front of 2 other people but they didn't seem to be in any serious pain or having a problem that neededimmediate attention.

And on top of this, the ER at the hospital I was xrayed at screwed up. They told me my right ankle (the one I KNEW was broken) was just (this should be sprained), because they put the L sticker (for left ankle) on that Xray, and the R sticker on the other one. However since my other ankle wasn't hurting that much they just didn't even bother to look at that Xray.

The following day my father calls me at 7am and was like "your ankle is clearly broken, im looking at your xray right now" and i went in to see a doctor he recommended. Yes it was clearly broken. The thing is, it had swollen up so bad I couldn't get surgery at that time. I had to wait 2 more days for the swelling to go down in order to get surgery. Had they not screwed up the night before, I would have been in surgery after my Xray's because the swelling was not that bad at that time.

fractured = broken

Oh crap I screwed up ... I meant to put sprained heh.

 

[Rudee]

If she was young and pretty this mike make CNN or Nancy Grace.