Woman faces possible 10 MILLION in fines for selling on ebay

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WALNUTPORT, Pa. - Mary Jo Pletz was really, really good at eBay. But now the former stay-at-home mother and gonzo Internet retailer fears a maximum $10 million fine for selling 10,000 toys, antiques, videos, sports memorabilia, books, tools and infant clothes on eBay without an auctioneer's license.

An official from the Department of State knocked on Pletz's white-brick ranch here north of Allentown in late December 2006 and said her Internet business, D&J Virtual Consignment, was being investigated for violating state laws.

"I was dumbfounded," said Pletz, who led the dark-suited investigator to a side patio area, where he grilled her. "I told him I would just shut down," she said.

The Pletz case has unleashed a political storm in Harrisburg over what - if anything - should be done about regulating Internet auctions in Pennsylvania.

Two bills have been introduced. One would require Internet sellers who run a business to get an electronic auctioneer's license that would cost about $100 a year. The other would leave Internet auctions as the Wild West of retail.

Thousands of jobs and the fate of a new-economy industry in Pennsylvania could be at stake. There are 400 so-called Internet retail drop-off stores in Pennsylvania, according to state officials, and 14,000 state residents who earn most of their annual income selling on Internet auctions.

EBay opposes state regulatory action on Internet auctions around the nation and warns that it could threaten the livelihood of an estimated 430,000 people who "earn a substantial portion or all of their incomes selling on eBay."

Some Pennsylvania officials now acknowledge that Pletz, with her heart-tugging story, was not the best person with whom to make a legal point.

The 33-year-old opened her Internet business in 2004 so she could stay home with her 6-month-old daughter, Julia, who was diagnosed with a hypothalamic hamartoma brain tumor.

She cooperated when told it was illegal and works at dental offices in Allentown, Bethlehem and Lehighton as a hygienist to help pay the bills at home. Julia, whose health stabilized on medication, is enrolled in day care. Pletz also has a son, Douglas, 7.

Doing the math
But the state has not dropped prosecution. It sent Pletz a complaint in April and an amended complaint in December. The complaint says she could be fined $1,000 for each violation of the state law. The April complaint noted 10,000 sales. Pletz and her attorney, Joseph V. Sebelin Jr. of Palmerton, did the math - $10 million in possible fines. The second complaint does not list a number.

A July hearing was canceled; a new one has not been scheduled.

In an e-mail Monday, a Department of State spokeswoman said Pletz faced a $2,000 maximum fine because of two counts listed in the complaint.

"Well, it's nice they told you, because they haven't let me know," Pletz said.

Because of the complaint, Pletz worries the state also could revoke her dental hygienist's license, which she earned by attending community college for seven years at night.

"I really wish that they will walk away from that one and prosecute somebody else," said State Rep. Michael Sturla (D., Lancaster), who is chairman of the House Professional Licensure Committee. "There is every reason in the world that if she is found guilty, she should be exonerated," he said.

Auctioneer's license
Sturla has proposed the bill to create the electronic auctioneer's license. The license would require the Internet seller to buy a $5,000 bond for about $40 a year. This would protect consumers, he said.

Sen. Rob Wonderling (R., Montgomery), who labeled the Pletz case "bureaucracy run amok," has introduced a bill that would exempt eBay sellers from auctioneer's licensing.


Barry Fallon, in the Harrisburg area, is the only other person in Pennsylvania to face an investigation for selling on eBay without an auctioneer's license, according to officials. He closed his three-employee iSold It franchise store after the investigator showed up last year.

Fallon, 61, said an auctioneer offered to represent him for a commission of $1 per sale so that he could keep his business. "It's like the buggy-whip manufacturer's deciding whether these newfangled automobile manufacturers can do it without a buggy-whip license," he said.

"It's breaking new ground," Department of State spokeswoman Leslie Amoros said of the Pletz and Fallon cases. People who sell their own goods on eBay are exempt from the auctioneer's licenses, she said.

Pletz launched her business in 2004, when she realized she couldn't work full time because of Julia's medical tests and doctors visits.

In the hills around Walnutport, the word spread of D&J Virtual Consignment and Pletz's talent for selling on eBay. Many people in the area were not computer-savvy. Pletz's husband, John, 38, is a computer technician. Some people were uncomfortable supplying the Internet auction giant with banking information. Pletz was not. Customers, she said, paid a 30 percent sales commission.

"There were a lot of surprises," she said. A novel pull-along toy puppy sold for $600. A pull-along toy duck from the same seller sold for $200. "We were paying the bills. We weren't making a lot of money. I was able to stay home with Julia." She declared the income from the auctions on her taxes, Pletz said.

A few days after Christmas 2006, the state investigator drove up. She recalls his warning that the state was "drawing a line in the sand."

"I don't know how I won this lottery," she added, with her German shepherd, Ripley, running crazily around the kitchen, and Julia holding onto her leg. "I guess they wanted to go after somebody who was good at what they do. We were very good."

D&J Virtual Consignment had 11,000 feedback comments on eBay and 14 were negative, Pletz said, giving her a 99.9 percent satisfaction rating.

Amoros, the state spokeswoman, said investigations were a "complaint-driven" process but those complaints are confidential.

Pletz stayed off eBay for months.

"Maybe around October or November, I started again," she said. An aunt was downsizing into a smaller home and had items. "I thought, I'm going to sell. Now, did I take a commission for it? No."

 

Queasy

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Three rules of government.

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

And people want to turn our health care over to morons like this.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Three rules of government.

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

And people want to turn our health care over to morons like this.

I have no idea why you think unviersal healthcare has anything to do with the state government of Pennsylvania or why you trust big business to take care of you.
 

Winchester

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The seller is not the auctioneer. eBay is the "entity" that actually auctions the item. Sellers basically give consignments to eBay to sell it.

This case has no merit.
 

KK

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Someone should put a bullet in that sturla's ass for being a fvcking retard.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Queasy
Three rules of government.

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

And people want to turn our health care over to morons like this.

I have no idea why you think unviersal healthcare has anything to do with the state government of Pennsylvania or why you trust big business to take care of you.

You think this line of thinking is limited to just the state government? Wrong. It rolls all the way up to the federal government.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Three rules of government.

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

And people want to turn our health care over to morons like this.

If you guys think Ed Rendell is bad in pennsylvania... wait till he gets into the whitehouse...
 

Minjin

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As the auction law currently stands and it has been in place for a LONG time, Ebayers CAN be charged. Thats why the bills have been introduced to reduce or eliminate this unintended consequence of auction law. This is not news. I contacted my local representative, Senator Vance, 4 months ago to bring it to her attention, and as a result, she has become a supporter of the bill. I can't see it not getting passed.
 

Epic Fail

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Originally posted by: Minjin
As the auction law currently stands and it has been in place for a LONG time, Ebayers CAN be charged. Thats why the bills have been introduced to reduce or eliminate this unintended consequence of auction law. This is not news. I contacted my local representative, Senator Vance, 4 months ago to bring it to her attention, and as a result, she has become a supporter of the bill. I can't see it not getting passed.

The writing of the article is really bad, it doen't explain the current auction law that is in place already and makes the new bills sound like new regulations.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Queasy
Three rules of government.

If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

And people want to turn our health care over to morons like this.

I have no idea why you think unviersal healthcare has anything to do with the state government of Pennsylvania or why you trust big business to take care of you.

You think this line of thinking is limited to just the state government? Wrong. It rolls all the way up to the federal government.

Yep. I was just thinking Penn must be under some sort of socialist majority or leadership. Seriously, the more radical really are pissed off that all of this non taxed consumerism is going on. It burns their ass that you can purchase something on ebay or amazon and not be taxed to hell.

Edit: in light of George's post I have switched from bashing libs to bashing politicians in general.
 

DrPizza

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I think the threatened amount of fines are excessive. However, I really don't have a problem with requiring someone who runs a business out of their own home to pay $50 a year to the gov't for that. There's a difference between selling your own crap, and running a business selling other people's crap.

If I decided to open a consignment shop and sell stuff locally, I couldn't do so without going through a little bit of red tape - at the very least, I'd need authority to collect on sales tax. A $50 annual fee doesn't sound like it's out of line.

edit: that works out to 1/2 a cent per auction.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
I think the threatened amount of fines are excessive. However, I really don't have a problem with requiring someone who runs a business out of their own home to pay $50 a year to the gov't for that. There's a difference between selling your own crap, and running a business selling other people's crap.

If I decided to open a consignment shop and sell stuff locally, I couldn't do so without going through a little bit of red tape - at the very least, I'd need authority to collect on sales tax. A $50 annual fee doesn't sound like it's out of line.

$50 probably isn't out of line, but what's the government's interest in someone's home based auction business? Is it consumer protection? Regulation just for regulations sake? I'd rather not have anyone just blindly accept fees and regulation from the man.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I think the threatened amount of fines are excessive. However, I really don't have a problem with requiring someone who runs a business out of their own home to pay $50 a year to the gov't for that. There's a difference between selling your own crap, and running a business selling other people's crap.

If I decided to open a consignment shop and sell stuff locally, I couldn't do so without going through a little bit of red tape - at the very least, I'd need authority to collect on sales tax. A $50 annual fee doesn't sound like it's out of line.

$50 probably isn't out of line, but what's the government's interest in someone's home based auction business? Is it consumer protection? Regulation just for regulations sake? I'd rather not have anyone just blindly accept fees and regulation from the man.

I would imagine for consumer protection - to make it harder for someone to simply take the money and run. And, it would probably work in her favor as well - it would make her business appear more legitimate. Who would you rather do business with - a stranger working from their own home? Or a stranger working from their own home and was registered with the state?

 

Kelemvor

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I thought this would be because she didn't declare the income on her taxes... But she did. ANd they are still going after her? WTF is up with that state? I'd move if I was her and this continues.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Wow, this turned into a P&N pissing shitting contest faster than I expected.
That's right. People need to vote for Ron Paul!

RON PAUL!!!
 

Winchester

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Originally posted by: Minjin
As the auction law currently stands and it has been in place for a LONG time, Ebayers CAN be charged. Thats why the bills have been introduced to reduce or eliminate this unintended consequence of auction law. This is not news. I contacted my local representative, Senator Vance, 4 months ago to bring it to her attention, and as a result, she has become a supporter of the bill. I can't see it not getting passed.

Until a vote comes up and she votes in your favor... she has not become a supporter. :roll:
 
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