Woman fired for Halloween costume

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Here's the thing about the internet age. If you did anything back in, say, 1913, and it reflected poorly on you or your employer, you got fired, and that's the last anyone ever heard about it. If you do something in 2013 that causes anyone to say, "OMG, the outrage!," that sentiment is never going away for as long as you live. This poor woman is 22 and made a choice of costume that was stupid. And now that mistake is going to be with her forever. Does she deserve to lose her job? Yeah, probably. Does she deserve to have her life ruined? I don't think anyone on Earth would argue that position. And yet, she invariably will, because this is going to be the top search result for anyone searching her name until she dies. I did idiotic things when I was 22. If you're older than 22, so did you. Do you think your idiocy at a young age should follow you forever? Because we're living in that age now. And that's an insane way to live.
 

Geosurface

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I'm going to defend this woman because I think it's the only correct and civilized response to this situation. The fact that she wore this costume and tweeted it to her friends may have been silly on her part. However, it was wrong of her to lose her job over it. She has freedom of expression in her private sphere. Also the place she worked for didn't seem to have an issue with it at the time. Finally, the people who caught wind of this picture and got all hot and bothered over it waged a massive cyber bullying campaign against her. She got punished by lynch mob rule.

To put it into perspective, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any member on this forum who hasn't posted something stupid or offensive at one time or another. How would you feel is someone took an "offensive" post you made in P&N and used it to wage a campaign to take away your job? Probably pretty bad, victimized even?

At some point, we decided as a society that mob rule it the correct rule. Which history has shown is rarely the case. Just proves you just need a couple hundred people to be sufficiently "outraged" to take away someone's living and destroy their lives. Each one of these people who attacked this woman should be charged with stalking.

Hear, hear
 

AViking

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Sep 12, 2013
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Poor judgement? Uh maybe. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. She's not in Boston. People need to grow thicker skin and stop being internet badasses. Three whole people died in Boston. I bet lots of people dressed up as Christopher Dorner and that guy killed 4 people. Where's the outrage!? Where are the death threats?! It's Halloween people!

Nudes a problem? Once again poor judgement. I don't see why she got fired though. What kind of job did she have that nudes would reflect poorly on the company and justify being fired? I can see it if she was in politics or education but this girl was probably working as a waitress. She will probably generate more business. I think we're going to end up with an entire generation of girls with nudes all over the internet pretty soon. We gonna fire them all? Shit unemployment in her age bracket is already over 50%. Might as well go all the way.

People need to really get over themselves and calm the fuck down.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Poor taste? Yes Should she have posted pics taken at work? NO...but it WAS a Halloween costume. Many are (at best) in poor taste.

Personally, I think ALL Halloween costumes should be banned from the workplace. You're there to work, not act like kids.



 

AViking

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Sep 12, 2013
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She's 22. Guys her age are going to have a hard time finding women without tattoos. Almost 40% of women have them between the ages of 18-25.

Besides she has one of those Happy Fun Time or whatever it was called Animated murder animals. How awesome is that? Sure puts me in the mood.
 

mikeford

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Jan 27, 2001
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Freedom of expression has gone down hill fast with Obama, can't make a movie about Islam, can't dress a rodeo clown as Obama, can't wear any costume you feel like on Halloween.

Its just cyber bullies flexing their muscles.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
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Poor judgement? Uh maybe. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. She's not in Boston. People need to grow thicker skin and stop being internet badasses. Three whole people died in Boston. I bet lots of people dressed up as Christopher Dorner and that guy killed 4 people. Where's the outrage!? Where are the death threats?! It's Halloween people!

Nudes a problem? Once again poor judgement. I don't see why she got fired though. What kind of job did she have that nudes would reflect poorly on the company and justify being fired? I can see it if she was in politics or education but this girl was probably working as a waitress. She will probably generate more business. I think we're going to end up with an entire generation of girls with nudes all over the internet pretty soon. We gonna fire them all? Shit unemployment in her age bracket is already over 50%. Might as well go all the way.

People need to really get over themselves and calm the fuck down.

Good point, since only 3 people died it should be okay. I think next year she should dress as World Trade Center 1 with a plane crashing into it. Its been plenty of time and only 3000+ people died.
 

AViking

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Do you see 911 as being similar to the Boston Bombing?

I think it's safe to say that dressing up as Hitler or Osama Bin Laden is not acceptable. Dressing up as Ted Bundy, the Zodiac, or even a Boston Bomber is ok. She wasn't in Boston.

You might be better off dressing up as Carthage.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
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Do you see 911 as being similar to the Boston Bombing?

I think it's safe to say that dressing up as Hitler or Osama Bin Laden is not acceptable. Dressing up as Ted Bundy, the Zodiac, or even a Boston Bomber is ok. She wasn't in Boston.

You might be better off dressing up as Carthage.

So if you had a family member killed by Bundy and saw me wearing a costume of him, you would run right up and tell me great costume?
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Good point, since only 3 people died it should be okay. I think next year she should dress as World Trade Center 1 with a plane crashing into it. Its been plenty of time and only 3000+ people died.

I'm fine with that. People need to quit being a bunch of sensitive nancies. I couldn't hardly give a shit less about 9/11. George W Bush killed more Americans than all the "terrorist" acts in the history of the USA put together, but let's go out as a soldier for Halloween... :^S

People need to grow a skin. and grow spines.
 

MarkXIX

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Jan 3, 2010
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Modern social media response to this is little different than the old Puritan/scarlett letter of old. The problem is word is no longer limited to a geographic region, it's literally global in nature and happens in mere minutes.

While I think it was in ill taste and she should have been far more discrete with her personal lifestyle choices, it is similarly brutal that our society allows social media to ruin people in this manner.

Also, employers are far too sketchy when it comes to these things. I would like to see an employer stand up for an employee, even if they say "We agree with the public and the matter is being handled privately with the employee..." and leave the rest at that. Instead employers commonly feel the need to make a press release to defend their "brand" against the legions of social media morons out there today. Have some gumption once in a while...
 

Apple Of Sodom

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The only thing she did wrong was wear this costume too soon. I don't see why it is OK for us to dress up as murdered children, or a priest with a kid stuck to our crotch... that was a popular one circulating. I would go so far as to say that being molested by a priest probably caused a lot more emotional damage than the marathon.

Either way, Halloween costumes are tasteless. I'm not sure why we draw a line - young child with throat slit is OK; runner you was bloodied in an attack, not OK. Serial killer is OK, but this is tasteless.

Grow the fuck up.

Also, would smash. Don't dig the tattoos but I bet she is fun.
 

AViking

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Sep 12, 2013
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I've seen people wear Osama Bid Laden T-shirts around the world. It's not acceptable in the USA though. In China they sold Oba-mao shirts all over the place but that would not be acceptable in the USA.

Location is relevant.

Social media tries to ignore that though. Clearly people in Boston upset about something that happened 3 states away. Do you think I give a shit if someone in Germany dresses up as the Stockholm suicide bomber from a couple years ago? Zero fucks given.
 

MarkXIX

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Jan 3, 2010
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Do you see 911 as being similar to the Boston Bombing?

I think it's safe to say that dressing up as Hitler or Osama Bin Laden is not acceptable. Dressing up as Ted Bundy, the Zodiac, or even a Boston Bomber is ok. She wasn't in Boston.

You might be better off dressing up as Carthage.

I believe plenty of people dressed up as OBL with a bullet wound to the head that year. There's a big difference between dressing up as "healthy" Hitler or OBL or dressing up as their defeated/dead variants.

However, the issue is not CAN you do it, sure you can, it's your basic right as an American. The matter is whether or not you have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the scrutiny you'll receive. I believe in freedom of speech and expression. We celebrate comedians for the awful shit that they say but we destroy average Americans who do the same. It's bullshit and we're allowing it to happen.

Maybe we should destroy the lives of the people that publicly ostracize others in situations like this and turn the tables....or maybe we all just agree to be more civil and stop sweating the small shit in life.
 

sixone

Lifer
May 3, 2004
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Where she posted it is 100% relevant in this case so you cannot say it isn't.

I did say it, and I stand by it. Insensitivity and bad taste aren't criminal acts. There is no good reason to contact her parents or her employer - they could have found the photos on their own well before Halloween, if they chose to do so.

Threatening someone's business because of the bad taste of one employee isn't fair or reasonable.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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I did say it, and I stand by it. Insensitivity and bad taste aren't criminal acts. There is no good reason to contact her parents or her employer - they could have found the photos on their own well before Halloween, if they chose to do so.

Threatening someone's business because of the bad taste of one employee isn't fair or reasonable.

The sad part is many above post up far more insensitive items here and get all giggity how 'anon' they are.
 

sixone

Lifer
May 3, 2004
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The sad part is many above post up far more insensitive items here and get all giggity how 'anon' they are.

They'd better consider the possibility that someone will contact THEIR employer, on the same principle.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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I did say it, and I stand by it. Insensitivity and bad taste aren't criminal acts. There is no good reason to contact her parents or her employer - they could have found the photos on their own well before Halloween, if they chose to do so.

Threatening someone's business because of the bad taste of one employee isn't fair or reasonable.

What do you expect to come from a "community" based around anonymity and a no consequences system? None of the people who leaked her information will suffer anything than the scorn of a few posters on some random forums. And since nobody knows who they were, they escape and real consequences in their real lives.


Concerning the costume, I don't find it that offensive or ill taste. If it is perfectly acceptable for someone to dress up like Charles Manson or any of the Manson family, why is a Boston victim any different. There is a band called Sharon Tate's Baby.

Regardless, I am glad of what happened because that girl had some pictures released I'd have never otherwise seen. Thanks Obama!
 
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