Woman has affair, gets caught by husband. She says she's being raped and her husband shoots and kills the man.

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NuroMancer

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Originally posted by: OsoVerde
Originally posted by: Dean
What I am wondering is, at what point did he pull out the gun?

Did he pull it out before she yelled rape? Did the woman yell rape thinking she was going to get capped? Was the husband going to cap both of them until she yelled rape? Did the guy drive off possibly after she yelled rape knowing the guy was going to shoot him in an attempt to get away?

If she yelled rape in a direct response to her husband brandishing a gun, in an instinctive attempt to save her own life, should she be charged? Or the Husband for taking out the gun? Her trial will bring it all out I guess.

Good questions.

Yes and no, If he thought that everything was fine in the marrage and comes home to that, I think he is right to ASSUME something is very wrong. Think about it, if you are convinced in your mind the you have a happy marrage, then your first reaction would be that your spose is in trouble and to do something to help her.

"Tracy Roberson, 35, was also indicted on a charge of making a false report to a police officer" If she honestly believed that her husband was going to kill her, she would have told the police then and there, not filed a police report about being raped.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Originally posted by: OsoVerde
Originally posted by: Dean
What I am wondering is, at what point did he pull out the gun?

Did he pull it out before she yelled rape? Did the woman yell rape thinking she was going to get capped? Was the husband going to cap both of them until she yelled rape? Did the guy drive off possibly after she yelled rape knowing the guy was going to shoot him in an attempt to get away?

If she yelled rape in a direct response to her husband brandishing a gun, in an instinctive attempt to save her own life, should she be charged? Or the Husband for taking out the gun? Her trial will bring it all out I guess.

Good questions.

Yes and no, If he thought that everything was fine in the marrage and comes home to that, I think he is right to ASSUME something is very wrong. Think about it, if you are convinced in your mind the you have a happy marrage, then your first reaction would be that your spose is in trouble and to do something to help her.

"Tracy Roberson, 35, was also indicted on a charge of making a false report to a police officer" If she honestly believed that her husband was going to kill her, she would have told the police then and there, not filed a police report about being raped.

Stupid cheating whores don't think or care about the damage they will end up causing to other's lives when they play their manipulative and deceptive games of self indulgence.

What is it about being sneaky and playing games that gets these women off anyway? I've never EVER heard of a woman ending a current relationship before starting the next one. Insecure much?
 

deerslayer

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Jan 15, 2001
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The only unfortunate thing about this story is that he didn't hit his wife with a stray bullet.
 

Chunkee

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Jul 28, 2002
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this is very sad...the guy who died had children... adultery should not be punished by death...

she is a POS...

just friggin horrible.


jC
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

You are mistaken.

Give me a gun and make me think you are hurting/abducting my child.


damn right. hell i would even take it so far as hurting/abducting one of the neighbor kids.

I know if someone was messing with one of my kids and the guy or the older boys across the street seen it they would put a world of hurt on them. I live in a small town and everyone knows everyone.
 

bcterps

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I feel bad for the family of the guy that died. Yes he was cheating, but he didn't deserve to die. While I guess I can "applaud" the fact that the husband is not being charged, if indeed he was an innocent part in this, no one is better off for what has happened.
 

dmw16

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Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I feel for the SO and kids of Devin LaSalle... he left 3 kids behind.

Police: "Mrs. LaSalle... I regret to inform you that your husband (BF) was killed today. Gun shot to the head."

Mrs. LaSalle: "Oh...Oh, Oh God!!!"

Police: "Um yeah...it gets worse. He was apparently shot after he rapped and tried to abduct a woman."

Can you imagine having to hear that news... I think I'd vomit and then just die on the spot.

But he wasn't. He was having an affair with the woman.

That said, this is sad, but the shooter did nothing wrong. He was acting to protect his wife, but is EXACTLY what any man should do.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

Murder by definition is never justified. Killing for a justified reason however, is not murder. Learn the difference.

Unless you are one of those people who believe causing harm or death is something that nobody should ever do. We shouldn't have to and it would be nice not to, I can agree with you there, but sometimes it cannot be helped.

We can only make our own good choices, but we have no control over the poor choices of others. The dilemma is when we are faced with the poor choices of another individual intent on causing harm or death to you or another person whom you are capable of defending.

Do you just sit there and die, or do you act against your will to defend yourself from unjust and unlawful aggression? The other person has made a decision that someone is going to die. If you allow yourself to be killed because you don't believe it is right to kill anyone under any circumstances or you simply can't stomach the idea of hurting someone, you are essentially violating your own belief anyway by killing yourself. How is that different from killing the person who is trying to kill you?

Religious reasons? In most religions, God will not judge a person who kills in self defense, as the difference between murder and otherwise is clearly differentiated. In fact, in the Christian/Catholic religion, the original commandment was 'thou shall not commit murder', but the lefties of the day intentionally mistranslated it to 'thou shall not kill' in their never ending quest to quench any sense of the individual self acting in free will.

Someone is going to die and there is nothing you can do about it because someone else has made that decision. The question is, is it you that is going to kill justly, or will you allow the other person to kill you, your family, or another person unjustly?

Even sheep have the self preservation instincts to bite, claw, and buck with lethal intent, however futile the attempt may be, when cornered by a predator with no alternative. Most animals will prefer to run, but most will defend themselves to the death when cornered in their home, their final safe haven and the last vestige of retreat, esp. when protecting a mate or offspring. Even animals like democrats who have their eyes on the sides of their head instead of in the front...
 

ShellGuy

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My main issue with this is that if the truck was moving away from him unless the guy had taken his wife he was no longer in fear for anyones life nor were they bing harmed how can he be justified to shoot him in the head...



Will G.
 

nweaver

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Jan 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: ShellGuy
My main issue with this is that if the truck was moving away from him unless the guy had taken his wife he was no longer in fear for anyones life nor were they bing harmed how can he be justified to shoot him in the head...



Will G.

This has been covered ad nauseum....if someone had your wife in their truck, and you thought they may have been trying to rape her, and now may be kidnapping her, it IS justified. A person has the right, and a duty, to defend and protect their family. You better believe if you are driving off with my wife while she screams rape that I'm putting one in your head.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?

 

exdeath

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Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?


Yes actually, it was murder, because the woman lied that she was being raped. She was not in fact being raped, nor was she ever in danger.

The husband may have been the one to pull the trigger that resulted in this mans death, but the murder is on the hands of the wife, who in her finite wisdom and cunning, negligently failed to consider the consequences of her actions.
 

exdeath

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Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: ShellGuy
My main issue with this is that if the truck was moving away from him unless the guy had taken his wife he was no longer in fear for anyones life nor were they bing harmed how can he be justified to shoot him in the head...



Will G.

This has been covered ad nauseum....if someone had your wife in their truck, and you thought they may have been trying to rape her, and now may be kidnapping her, it IS justified. A person has the right, and a duty, to defend and protect their family. You better believe if you are driving off with my wife while she screams rape that I'm putting one in your head.

According to the reports, everything the man did while shooting was in compliance with laws regarding the use of force.

For all we know he merely TRIED to drive away and the shooter fired into the window from a distance of a few feet as he was peeling out of the driveway, with no chance of missing or hitting other property or a bystander.

Why does everyone here always assume that 'shooting at a moving vehicle' automatically means 'wildly shooting at a fast moving 45 mph vehicle 3 blocks away' ?
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: TheNinja
He fired at a moving vehicle that had his wife in it? Sounds to me like this guy may have known something fishy was going on and went on a rampage. He probably didn't care who he hit at the time, and now he's jumping for joy at what has unfolded.


I agree. I imagine that he had suspicions about an affair by this point. He has a good lawyer who has a good story for him.

I wouldn't think that it's normal for people to walking around with handguns, but it's Texas. Rationality is not a quality of that state

Either way, the wife is a c**t and deserves the maximum sentence. I still find it negligent to absolve the husband of any responsibility though. I'd be interested to see if the defense can put together some evidence proving that he was suspicious of, or fully aware of the affair.

Then again...I'm not sure if his involvement can even be brought into play if she is the one facing charges. A strange case, this one. I smell Law & Order episode next season...
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: ShellGuy
My main issue with this is that if the truck was moving away from him unless the guy had taken his wife he was no longer in fear for anyones life nor were they bing harmed how can he be justified to shoot him in the head...



Will G.

This has been covered ad nauseum....if someone had your wife in their truck, and you thought they may have been trying to rape her, and now may be kidnapping her, it IS justified. A person has the right, and a duty, to defend and protect their family. You better believe if you are driving off with my wife while she screams rape that I'm putting one in your head.

According to the reports, everything the man did while shooting was in compliance with laws regarding the use of force.

For all we know he merely TRIED to drive away and the shooter fired into the window from a distance of a few feet as he was peeling out of the driveway, with no chance of missing or hitting other property or a bystander.

Why does everyone here always assume that 'shooting at a moving vehicle' automatically means 'wildly shooting at a fast moving 45 mph vehicle 3 blocks away' ?


Very true, but even if he was at the drivers window, aiming straight at his head, he was still putting his wife's life in danger. I doubt he was in a proper mental state at this point to gaurantee an accurate shot. No one--the Victim, the Mife, and the husband--could have been acting rationally at this stage.

When actions are committed in such an irrational situation, the margin for human error increases dramatically.

It would be interesting to see if the defense can swing prior intent on the husband, to kill one (or even both of them), in order to reduce her sentence, or even get her off the hook...Who's to say that her action wasn't intended as self-preservation if she had reason to believe that he was willing to kill both of them? I still think she's a c**t...but it seems like a reasonable argument.
 

nweaver

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Jan 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: ShellGuy
My main issue with this is that if the truck was moving away from him unless the guy had taken his wife he was no longer in fear for anyones life nor were they bing harmed how can he be justified to shoot him in the head...



Will G.

This has been covered ad nauseum....if someone had your wife in their truck, and you thought they may have been trying to rape her, and now may be kidnapping her, it IS justified. A person has the right, and a duty, to defend and protect their family. You better believe if you are driving off with my wife while she screams rape that I'm putting one in your head.

According to the reports, everything the man did while shooting was in compliance with laws regarding the use of force.

For all we know he merely TRIED to drive away and the shooter fired into the window from a distance of a few feet as he was peeling out of the driveway, with no chance of missing or hitting other property or a bystander.

Why does everyone here always assume that 'shooting at a moving vehicle' automatically means 'wildly shooting at a fast moving 45 mph vehicle 3 blocks away' ?


Very true, but even if he was at the drivers window, aiming straight at his head, he was still putting his wife's life in danger. I doubt he was in a proper mental state at this point to gaurantee an accurate shot. No one--the Victim, the Mife, and the husband--could have been acting rationally at this stage.

When actions are committed in such an irrational situation, the margin for human error increases dramatically.

It would be interesting to see if the defense can swing prior intent on the husband, to kill one (or even both of them), in order to reduce her sentence, or even get her off the hook...Who's to say that her action wasn't intended as self-preservation if she had reason to believe that he was willing to kill both of them? I still think she's a c**t...but it seems like a reasonable argument.

They take you through stuff like this when you are in a decent CCW class, just like a police officer. If this man had been a police officer, I promise you that the thought of "what is behind my target" would have come into his mind. Who is to say a CCW, who is current on training and works these things is not the same way? I know my friends who are CCW go through these once a year..."if I'm in this situation, I would do this, I need to think about this". Sure that MAY go out the window, but if you have talked/thought about it before hand, it's easier to think about it when it's crunch time. Why do you teach kids to stop, drop, and roll? How many really need to know that? It's because if you drill it into the mind, it will come back when needed.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: TheNinja
He fired at a moving vehicle that had his wife in it? Sounds to me like this guy may have known something fishy was going on and went on a rampage. He probably didn't care who he hit at the time, and now he's jumping for joy at what has unfolded.


I agree. I imagine that he had suspicions about an affair by this point. He has a good lawyer who has a good story for him.

I wouldn't think that it's normal for people to walking around with handguns, but it's Texas. Rationality is not a quality of that state

Either way, the wife is a c**t and deserves the maximum sentence. I still find it negligent to absolve the husband of any responsibility though. I'd be interested to see if the defense can put together some evidence proving that he was suspicious of, or fully aware of the affair.

Then again...I'm not sure if his involvement can even be brought into play if she is the one facing charges. A strange case, this one. I smell Law & Order episode next season...

Charge the husband with what? Did he commit an crime?
 

austin316

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The keys to the whole story are that she cried out 'Rape' and that the guy drove away with her in the car screaming she was being raped. The shooter acted appropriately.
 

austin316

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I just thought too, this worked out well for the guy that was getting cheated on. He took out the person sleeping with his wife and then his wife ends up in jail.
 

FDF12389

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?

If the man didnt not deserve to die, it is murder. But I would have shot his ass too.
 

NaOH

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Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?

If the man didnt not deserve to die, it is murder. But I would have shot his ass too.

I agree that it was murder. But in my mind, the wife was the one who essentially pulled the trigger. I would have blown his ass too.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: NaOH
Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?

If the man didnt not deserve to die, it is murder. But I would have shot his ass too.

I agree that it was murder. But in my mind, the wife was the one who essentially pulled the trigger. I would have blown his ass too.


No this is not murder in the legal sense, as in, criminal homicide. If I shot someone that broke into my house and was stabbing my wife I would not be considered a murderer.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

He was totally in the right.

murder is never justifiable.

No one was "murdered" in this case.....

I wonder what you would do if your wife or children were being abducted by some psycho that will probably rape and kill them, would you just watch it happen, thinking the whole time how unjustifiable murder is?


Yes actually, it was murder, because the woman lied that she was being raped. She was not in fact being raped, nor was she ever in danger.

The husband may have been the one to pull the trigger that resulted in this mans death, but the murder is on the hands of the wife, who in her finite wisdom and cunning, negligently failed to consider the consequences of her actions.

Ok, I can agree with that. What I meant is that the husband should not be considered a murderer, I guess I should have been more clear, my bad.
 

DarkThinker

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Originally posted by: flunky nassau
Ya man, put yourself in his situation. If you had a gun & your wife was being driven away in her "rapist's" truck, i don't think ANY OF YOU would have not fired the gun.

Stop analyzing what he should or should not have done. Instincts completely take over at that point.

Good job.

QFFT

DarkThinker
 

VooDooAddict

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Originally posted by: nweaver
4 shots, puts one into the head of the driver, none hit the wife (that are reported anyway). Sounds like the case of a responsible gun owner who gets to the range from time to time, and is a decent shot.

Owning a gun, but not learning/practicing with that gun is irresponsible.

:thumbsup:
 
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